LATE NIGHT WITH THE DEVIL Directors Release Statement Admitting That They "Experimented With AI"

LATE NIGHT WITH THE DEVIL Directors Release Statement Admitting That They "Experimented With AI" LATE NIGHT WITH THE DEVIL Directors Release Statement Admitting That They "Experimented With AI"

After being accused of utilizing AI artwork for Late Night with the Devil, directors Cameron and Colin Cairnes have released a statement explaining their decision...

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By MarkCassidy - Mar 24, 2024 10:03 AM EST
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The use of AI in film and television has become a hot-button topic of late, and any filmmakers or studios that decide to utilize this technology run the risk of facing some pretty intense backlash from those who feel it has no place in the industry and is hijacking work from actual artists.

Recently, it came to light that new found-footage horror movie Late Night With the Devil includes AI-generated art, and directors Cameron and Colin Cairnes have now responded by releasing a statement (via Variety).

“In conjunction with our amazing graphics and production design team, all of whom worked tirelessly to give this film the 70s aesthetic we had always imagined, we experimented with AI for three still images which we edited further and ultimately appear as very brief interstitials in the film. We feel incredibly fortunate to have had such a talented and passionate cast, crew and producing team go above and beyond to help bring this film to life. We can’t wait for everyone to see it for themselves this weekend.”

While many have remained supportive of the independent film, others are calling for boycotts, and feel that giving even seemingly minor instances of AI-usage a pass is a slippery slope.

Star David Dastmalchian was asked about the AI controversy during a recent interview, and while he stands by the filmmakers, he acknowledges that the AI conversation is an "important one to have."

Late Night With the Devil has been getting rave reviews from critics, and currently sits at 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. This is certain to entice audiences into the theater, but it will be interesting to see if the AI controversy ultimately has an impact on ticket sales.

The Suicide Squad actor stars as Jack Delroy, the host of a fictional 1970s variety and late-night talk show titled Night Owls with Jack Delroy. "The film purports to be derived from a rediscovered master tape of an episode from the show's sixth season, broadcast on Halloween 1977. During this live television broadcast, havoc unfolds when Delroy interviews a parapsychologist (Laura Gordon) and the subject of her recent book, a young teenager (Ingrid Torelli) who was the sole survivor of a Satanic church's mass suicide."

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WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 3/24/2024, 10:52 AM
Painters, sculptors and other physical artist didn’t respect digital artist as “Real” artist at one point. And who’s really calling for a boycott of this movie because 3 images that were used?
kazuma
kazuma - 3/24/2024, 11:56 AM
@WruceBayne - "Painters, sculptors and other physical artist didn’t respect digital artist as “Real” artist at one point"

That's a completely different arguement than the Ai one. And nobody is calling for a boycott.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/24/2024, 12:23 PM
@WruceBayne - Except everyone you listed are physical living and breathing human beings that work in that career field. AI is not a living thing and is eliminating jobs. If we don't stop it, We will all be speaking to robots on the phone or start being taught by an artificial intelligence.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 3/24/2024, 1:40 PM
@SonOfAGif - when digital artist hit the scene physical artist weren’t eliminated, digital artist just took less time and less resources to do arguably better work. Now digital art is largely respected in the artistic community.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 3/24/2024, 1:44 PM
@kazuma - that’s the natural progression of technology. And if you disagree with that then stop using email and keep your local mailman employed.
kazuma
kazuma - 3/24/2024, 1:49 PM
@WruceBayne - Completely different.

AI art looks bad, and is 100% taking away jobs and will continue to take away jobs. Digital art didn't look bad.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 3/24/2024, 1:55 PM
@kazuma - that’s your opinion, everyone doesn’t feel the same way you do. And you’re supporting exactly what I’m saying. Digital art remove the absolute need for the paintbrush and canvass. A.I is a tool just like a laptop that a human is using to create something.
kazuma
kazuma - 3/24/2024, 2:08 PM
@WruceBayne - AI art looking bad isn't an opinion. It's a fact. Messed up hands, feet, posture and lighting. It looks good for 5 seconds. If you actually look at it an pay attention, then you'll notice how shite it is.

AND AI "art" takes zero skill. Type a couple words and it'll copy someone elses style. Digital art didn't copy others work.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/24/2024, 3:29 PM
@WruceBayne - But digital artists are still human beings that produce art. AI is not a human being and is being used by human beings to eliminate jobs by other human beings. We have Amazon testing AI driven aerial drones to eliminate human drivers. We have companies introducing AI to replace workers to cut costs.
bcom
bcom - 3/24/2024, 4:03 PM
@kazuma - Take a look on Twitter. There's a lot of people trying to 'cancel' the movie... but then again, it is Twitter. It's where people go to hate on everything and most of the time they don't even know why they hate something.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 3/24/2024, 6:26 PM
@SonOfAGif - A.I still needs human interaction for it to work. There’s a person sitting behind a keyboard to generate these images just like a digital artist, the only difference is that it takes the person using A.I less effort.
campblood
campblood - 3/24/2024, 11:04 AM
Soon those “actual artists” will be using AI because it will make their jobs easier while they can still charge the same price for work
S8R8M
S8R8M - 3/24/2024, 11:09 AM
Can't wait for this movie! Looks great!
narrow290
narrow290 - 3/24/2024, 8:04 PM
@S8R8M - I’m walking into the theater now. I’ll let you know how it goes
S8R8M
S8R8M - 3/24/2024, 10:04 PM
@narrow290 - Enjoy! Thank you.
narrow290
narrow290 - 3/25/2024, 10:51 AM
@S8R8M - It was good! man you should definitely check it out!
S8R8M
S8R8M - 3/25/2024, 11:05 AM
@narrow290 - Thank you. I will. I can't wait to see it!
Kaizus
Kaizus - 3/24/2024, 11:18 AM
Hi, An actual VFX artist right here.
The truth is the director has used more than 3 images, part of the set have AI generated stuff on it.

That movie is mainly viewable on a streaming service, most of the people just want an update of it (like me). I mean, they make us change the whole Sonic CG character in a few months, it would be really cheap to do an update on LNWTD.

Also, Some facts about current state of AI in the industry:
1- AI is not making our job easier, it's weirdly replacing the interesting and artistic part of it.
2- AI is doing cheap (for now) and bad results, look at secret invasion or LNWTD images, after 1second of scrutiny you can see that something is wrong. You have to put a lot of effort to update it to something OK (and it is not cheap anymore)
3- For now the big companies are slowing down on AI. Mainly because of the copyright issue that make the clients scared of massive lawsuits.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/24/2024, 2:00 PM
@Kaizus -
1) At its core the end point of A.I. is to make your role irrelevant, not to make it 'easier' for you, they are looking to improve A.I. to the point where any individual can make a prompt that they can enter and then it will be competent enough to produce whatever is required. At that point you don't need artists at all and you've effectively removed an entire industry that you'd no longer need to pay. Even at a lesser extent, they could cut down on staff drastically. It's removing the aspects that are required or appeal to artists because artists are not a factor in the end goal of A.I. progression.

2) Quality has been overall decreasing across the board due to a wide variety of factors ranging from impacting the writing to the visual effects or simply the overall quality of content being produced. Corporations are reaching the stage where they think cutting corners is more financially wise than simply making a better quality product. As such they don't really care about the quality of the end product if they can mass produce something and shove it out then the sheer content sludge will produce something that people want in theory.

3) Functionally A.I. works similar to the human mind, taking in aspects of others creations and then using those to create a new image based on specific prompts. This will be the inevitable outcome of those discussing copyright regarding A.I. To be blunt, you can't copyright A.I. without also fundamentally having that same logic be applied to the human mind and creativity as a whole.
DTor91
DTor91 - 3/24/2024, 5:32 PM
@Kaizus - 100% this
Kaizus
Kaizus - 3/24/2024, 10:08 PM
@Scarilian -
1- You are talking Sci-Fi.
I can tell you an other future possible: AI is expensive, really.
Even without paying the artists for the data base, It is requiring huge farms of gpu and a lot of electricity. Much more than a regular CG render. And if you want to increase the quality, even more for videos, it's going to be exponantial.
A lot of common user think it is cheap because of the current price, but look at what happen for streaming service, you are in the same phase than when Netflix was at 8dol.
They are creating a need and attract people with low prices.
Kaizus
Kaizus - 3/24/2024, 10:09 PM
@Scarilian -
2-Ai is also impacting productions, writing, voice acting but I am going to talk about what I know: VFX ( because ). You have the impression the quality decreased because you think about the low, but past year Avatar pushed the technical limitations of VFX and right now Dune part2 is showing what human art direction is.
But can Ai reduce the cost of VFX. It is already an impressive tool technically speaking, but it is not as precise as you think. For example you probably have seen that Sora footage of the blue alien, it is impressive. But if you look at the prompt it is not matching it. And I bet if I ask you to just change the SSS on the alien to make it 10% stronger on the top of the ear you will not be able to address the note.
Kaizus
Kaizus - 3/24/2024, 10:10 PM
@Scarilian -
3- It is not working as a mind at all, this is high level patchworking.
To summarize you have a database of images with a lot of metadatas to give contest, contest that the AI take from human entries (first difference with a mind, we don't need text to understand images).
Then if the prompt is "Kevin Feige eating mushroom", it will take "Kevin Feige" "eating" and "mushroom" as 3 separates variable. Each variable pointing to a part of the database.
Then it's the patchwork phase, additioning those variables again and again to generate something "new". Human brain is just not working like that.
A proof that AI is basically patchworking, the closer your prompt is to the metadata in the database the closer it will create nothing new, just the initial image:
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Kaizus
Kaizus - 3/24/2024, 10:11 PM
@Kaizus - Hope it help, sorry if my english is bad (not my native language) :)
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/25/2024, 7:04 AM
@Kaizus -

1)
You have an extreme lack of awareness of the tech industry's advancements, let alone the progress of technology. Do you not understand how technological progression works? The advancement alone in computing taking it from a device that filled an entire room to being a portable phone?

The amount of new technology you are unaware of is surprising. Electrical signal reading in the brain capable of converting the electrical signals into speech, movement, relaying dreams, effectively allowing sync over a distance (telepathy) exists currently. Solar panels that are transparent, bendable and generate around 5-10x more energy than the current solar panels and can be applied to any consumer device.

As for your remark about GPU's, do you not understand that they are constantly improving and becoming stronger? What used to be a farm of GPU's will decrease in size/scale until eventually a single GPU can manage the computations.

You work in a tech related industry, you really should be keeping up to date on these aspects.

2)
It's corporations who are choosing not to bother focusing on quality anymore, the idea being that if they flood streaming services for example they can just create a backlog that will keep people paying them.

You seem to think A.I. is going to remain the same level, it's not, it's going to advance and any problems you have on it will be worked out.

3)
"the closer your prompt is to the metadata in the database the closer it will create nothing new, just the initial image"

The flaw here is on the moronic brain-dead individual writing the prompt. Pure [frick]ing stupidity on their part.

They are not prompting it to CREATE given that prompt, they are prompting it to SEARCH.

If I ask you for a screencap of a movie, then you'll go to the movie and screencap it. It would be moronic to think you'd do anything different because I've not asked you to do anything different.

The programming of the A.I. is then looking through its data for the source material because you've specifically told it you want a screen-cap. Then because it's been programmed not to do 1-to-1 replications, it alters it.

The A.I. is doing its job perfectly, the human prompting it is [frick]ing retarded for not understanding how it functions.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/25/2024, 7:38 AM
@Scarilian -
This frustration/anger is not directed at you by the way, but the industry and those that advised you on how A.I. functions who seem to think of it solely as a generative aspect ignoring how it works.

You tell it the source, it finds the source (Thanos, Infinity War, 2018, Movie scene)
You tell it what to do, it proceeds to do so (Screenshot)
You tell it the output, it proceeds to generate the output (4k, Blu-Ray, Ar:16:9, V:6.0)

The search takes it to Youtube where it finds the movie scene of Thanos, notably the two it selected are the ones from publicly revealed clips prior to the movie been aired which would have had the most publicity.

People seem to forget the A.I. has a search engine function and will follow your prompts as long as those prompts don't conflict with its other programming.
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 3/24/2024, 11:21 AM
AI is like the camel poking its nose under the tent. It's not going away and will only get more invasive. It's here to stay and the next generation that is born into this technology won't notice a thing. 🫤
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/24/2024, 11:39 AM
If you have a problem with AI, just buy nvidia shares or long leaps. This is the next techno revolution, like the IPhone or the dot com bubble. The Future will be so different in twenty years
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marvel72
marvel72 - 3/24/2024, 11:52 AM
This movie looks great, can't wait to see it.
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 3/24/2024, 12:05 PM
My problem with AI writing is that AI has never lived a human experience, it’s never been in love, had a heartbreak, experienced true joy or lost a loved one or been scared. Hard for a computer to create human emotion when it’s never experienced it.
DenimChicken
DenimChicken - 3/24/2024, 12:31 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - I don't think it needs to. It just needs the ability to reference every story, book, movie, script, video, song, whatever that was written by someone with real experiences. I don’t think it will be able to formulate completely new ideas/feelings for some time. But there are examples of every type of art that has been plagiarized by people who didn’t experience it and still finds an audience. Honestly, who knows though.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 3/24/2024, 1:18 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - The truth is that although we call it AI, it isn't actually sentient. It's not actually "Thinking for itself". It's nothing more than an equation. Anything created by these algorithms was programmed by humans. They are a culmination of the human experiences of several humans intertwined. So the truth is that you don't know that it's never had those experiences. That said, I'm not supporting any technology that puts people out of work. Nor do I support people who aren't willing to put in the effort to do the job they're hired for.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/24/2024, 12:26 PM
If the creators are using A.I. to create their product then intrinsically it has nothing that the audience wouldn't be able to replicate using A.I. software also. So you devalue your own contents uniqueness.
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