EDITORIAL: Favreau Gets the Mandarin Wrong, Threatens to Ruin Character in Iron Man 3

EDITORIAL: Favreau Gets the Mandarin Wrong, Threatens to Ruin Character in Iron Man 3

Iron Man and Iron Man 2 director Jon Favreau has wanted to bring the mysterious Mandarin to the big screen for awhile. But two movies into Iron Man's Hollywood career, and apparently Favreau still hasn't done his homework.

Editorial Opinion
By bogusman - May 10, 2010 09:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man
Source: Brent Sprecher

So far, Jon Favreau's done well in the eyes of most True Believers. In both Iron Man films, the storyline has been solid, he didn't make a mockery of one of the greatest super villains of all time a la Tim Story's Fantastic Four or Sam Raimi's Spider-man 3. He's cast his character's well (again, unlike Story), and he hasn't needlessly killed off anyone, a la Brett Ratner's X-Men: The Last Stand. But based on a recent interview, Favreau is skating on very thin ice.

Fellow comicbookmovie.com writer Brent Sprecher unearths Favreau (during an interview on MTV) commenting about the potential problem of bringing the Mandarin, one of Iron Man's greatest, and most popular foes, into Iron Man 3:

"The problem with the Mandarin is that the way it's depicted in the comic books, you don't want to see that. He has 10 magical rings — that just doesn't feel right for our [franchise]. So it's either tech-based, or the rings are not really rings."

Of course, there's only one problem with what Favreau is saying. All of it is completely, 100% wrong. Perhaps Favreau has been so busy designing technology for Iron Man to use, he hasn't bothered using real technology to surf the internet and find out a little about the actual Mandarin from the comics. The following quotations are direct from MarvelDirectory.com.

"He displayed scientific aptitude at an early age and used his inheritance for education in various sciences in China and abroad."

"The Mandarin then subjugated the villages around the Valley, and, through his science, rapidly became a power that not even the Chinese Army could successfully challenge."

"The Mandarin saw technology as the surest means to achieve his goals."

"Other of the Mandarin's early technological achievements was the launching of a small orbiting satellite whose "death-ray" he aimed at Stark Industries, and the building of Ultimo, a 30-foot android"

"The Mandarin's teleportation technology, derived from Makluan science, enabled him to kidnap people at will"

"The rings' operations cannot be explained by contemporary Earth science, but it is known that they served as near-limitless energy sources for the warpdrive engines of the starship of Axonn-Karr, a dragon-like alien of the Makluan race."

And well, you get the idea. In fact, MarvelDirectory even explains how EVERY ONE of Mandarin's rings are tech-based and not magic based. Kinda sounds like the PERFECT villain just the way he is huh?

And even so, Mister Favreau, who are you to say the supernatural can't exist besides technology? Marvel has been doing it for decades, and all of a sudden you come along and say it can't be done? Tell that to Dr. Strange fighting beside Spider-Man, and Agatha Harkness working with the Fantastic Four. Here's hoping an army of True Believers can set you straight, before its too late and we have another Tim-Story-Doc-Doom on our hands.

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Denn1s
Denn1s - 5/10/2010, 9:37 AM
the rings can definetely be tech based. it's simple. mandarin builds an arc reactor to power them up and wears glove-like things with the rings on them.it will be awesome. each rings has a different ability. it would be sick to bring him on the big screen even though i don't really like him as a villain.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/10/2010, 9:59 AM
We know FAV's already got it WRONG with that mess of a movie called IRON MAN 2!!!

Still i enjoyed it (bar SLJ), but it was kinda STUPID! : p


P.S. Hows the storyline been solid wtf??

So many plot holes and stupid parts its far from solid!

: D



LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/10/2010, 10:02 AM
IRON MAN 3 should be ARMOR WARS and THE VAULT!!!

MassExecutions1
MassExecutions1 - 5/10/2010, 10:03 AM
yeah, even if some people see it as a Dues Ex Machina solution Marvel is going to have to bring alien technology into the movie universe eventually. (3 to 1 the Skrull are the Avengers villains.) It might as well be with the Mandarin. Also, no armor. The Mandarin should use force fields and solid energy (not to rip off another ring bearer)and all kinds of crazy god-like crap. They really need to make Iron Man the underdog in the 3rd one. It will make Mandarin's defeat that much sweeter and a real capper to the first three movies.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 5/10/2010, 10:04 AM
@Denn1s, no offense but the whole "villain copies arc reactor technology then attacks Tony" formula would get pretty annoying if tried a third time. It's like Spider-man's "brilliant scientist attempts dangerous experiment, goes crazy, and turns into a supervillain" formula.
DeadPoolTX
DeadPoolTX - 5/10/2010, 10:11 AM
The little f a g known as LEEE777 needs to shut the fck up! everytime i visit this site that little b!tch always has something to say!

you say IM2 was a "mess of a movie" i would to see how a retard like you would handle a movie of its caliber.
JaySchluffy
JaySchluffy - 5/10/2010, 10:11 AM
Whats the problem? Sure he may have some facts wrong, but he's still aiming to adapt him with Tech Based rings....So he's producing something that is relevant to the character? I don't see a problem...
continuezero
continuezero - 5/10/2010, 10:13 AM
Well to Favreau's defence there are numerous references to the rings being "Magical" and Marvel is not really the best model for a single consistent history. There have been so many comics that come out that contradict previously established facts. Honestly does anyone really know what happened to Peter Parker's parents? So many different possibilities...haha. But I think you guys know what I mean. I think this article is nit picking a little bit. I think Favreau's intention with that statement is even with reference to the ring's interstellar origin. I think he'd prefer a more real world explanation for them as opposed to all of a sudden introducing an alien race and then changing the feel of this specific franchise. I'm ok with an updated explanation. Marvel has been known to do that, just think about Hippy Greenpeace Thor...like WTF?
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 5/10/2010, 10:14 AM
They should make the rings alien technology like it is in the comics.

I truly do feel that there is a way to make it cool without any cheese or pseudoscience or silliness. However it may be that Favreau's vision is too limited to even try.

I am also dismayed and confused by the fact that he said they were "magic" rings. Apparently he really just doesn't know. That surprises me.
DasBoot
DasBoot - 5/10/2010, 10:16 AM
Seen IM2 5 times. Keeps getting better every time I see it!!!
thunderforce
thunderforce - 5/10/2010, 10:20 AM
I just hope they dont try and make thor and his hammer tech based also .
shadowboxer
shadowboxer - 5/10/2010, 10:23 AM
so what!
alot of comicbookmovies have been off beat just to make a movie: xmen 3, FF, spiderman, hulk (eric banna), deadpool.
why stop at the mandarin ten rings, thats what hollywood does, they water things down.
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 5/10/2010, 10:23 AM
@ Thunderforce: There's no way they would ever do that bro. Silly.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 5/10/2010, 10:24 AM
I'm with MULTI on this one. I think it's a little over the top to say Favreau will ruin the character based off nothing more than a sentence..!

Whoever the villain is in Iron Man 3, I think they need to move past the stolen arc reactor stories and have someone who's not in armour...a role that Mandarin fits perfectly of course! I'm also not a huge fan of all of the villains being killed off in a similar style to the Spider-Man franchise!
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 5/10/2010, 10:25 AM
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DONT READ THIS IF YOU DONT WANT TO GET SPOILED.....

IN IRON MAN 2---HE LET'S RHODES TAKE HIS ARMOR, WHY DOES HE NOT GET IT BACK?, THOUGHT. MAYBE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ..THE GUY IS A GENIUS, HE'S SMARTER THAN THAT, PLUS WHEN HE WAS KIDNAPPED HE FOUND ALL HIS INVENTIONS BEING USED BY TERRORISTS TO HURT PEOPLE..IF I WERE TO MAKE SUPER ARMOR ID BUID IN SELF DESTRUCT MECHANISMS INSIDE EVERYTHING I MADE FROM THE TIME I ESCAPED AN ON SO THAT NOBODY WOULD EVER GET HURT BY THINGS I CREATED EVER AGAIN...I BET THIS IS WHY HE "LET " HIM GO, BECAUSE HE COULD INCAPACITATE THE ARMOR NYTIME HE WANTS.
Duhdaduh
Duhdaduh - 5/10/2010, 10:26 AM
@ mass exectuionist and BGBMH...tho i agree with u guys completely, i dont want the mandarin to be too outlandish.
what favrau meant by his statement was that the rings in their very nature are very uber sci-fi and fantasy-styled, to a much higher degree than that which is featured in the iron man movies so far. it would definitely work, but u kind of want all the movies to retain that same level of sci-fi and realism. otherwise people will look at the third movie in comparison to the first and be like "wow they really went overboard with the campiness on that one!"
i dont think its a good idea to make the rings' origin TOO alien-rooted. they can be alluded to being alien tech, but dont get too heavy into the alien stuff...thats what they did in the fourth indiana jones it felt so randomly out of place and out of taste with the rest of the movies, it ruined it for me. i dont want it happening to iron man, which i love

btw i like how u got all ur info off of wikipedia haha
cfho83
cfho83 - 5/10/2010, 10:27 AM
@bogusman STFU!
Fav knows what he is doing, so let him do what he does, i bet u would still go and see it regardless. at first everyone was knocking him for what he did to whiplash, and see how that turned out. so sit back and let the man do what he gets paid for, if u can do better, then do it if not stfu and wait for the next ironman movie.
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 5/10/2010, 10:32 AM
I'm with Multi as well. There was another interview in which Mandarin was discussed as being the villain in the next movie and there were no red flags or concerns regarding the approach to the Mandarin in that interview. I agree this article is a little bit over-reactive.
MassExecutions1
MassExecutions1 - 5/10/2010, 10:36 AM
@Duhdaduh - I see your point. Have you seen Downey's Sherlock Holmes? (predictable spoiler below)


How Blackwood is acting like this magical anti-christ or something, but its actually just trickery/technology that holmes figures out. I want something like that to go down. Stark should be so smart and tenacious that he can even figure out and over come crazy-magic like alien technology.
Colton
Colton - 5/10/2010, 10:47 AM
wat does favs think about thor and avengers then?? how is he exec producer on avengers and not have at least a similar problem?
Colton
Colton - 5/10/2010, 10:47 AM
wat does favs think about thor and avengers then?? how is he exec producer on avengers and not have at least a similar problem?
WolvieCBM
WolvieCBM - 5/10/2010, 10:49 AM
I have no problem with Mandarin not being in Iron Man films. First it is kinda too early to introduce that character and second he clearly wants to see how will THOR introduce magic and supernatural in Marvel cinematic universe.
Wadey09
Wadey09 - 5/10/2010, 10:50 AM
i think it would be a great way to introduce Fin Fang Foom in Iron Man 3. because he is of the same race that Mandarin got the technology from.
but i'm with Multi on this one as well. there have been so many interpretaions of the Marvel characters. have you ever watched The Invincible Iron Man? Mandarin was mystic in nature in that film. and it worked. some of it i didn't care for but it was pretty cool how the creators manage to update the character.

Marvel hasn't missed yet with their recent productions:
ie Iron Man, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, and soon to be Thor, that i have enough faith that they won't let Favreau screw up one of their most successful franchises.
StuckInPanels
StuckInPanels - 5/10/2010, 10:56 AM
Someone send him a copy of Enter the Mandarin please. I think he will realize they are tech based. They are alien tech that he used to give the illusion of magic.
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 5/10/2010, 11:01 AM
lol @ Keven
THEMRTERRIFIC
THEMRTERRIFIC - 5/10/2010, 11:03 AM
Bring on The Mandarin!!
Mathbat
Mathbat - 5/10/2010, 11:23 AM
Jeez, man. The guy delivers on not one but two great CBM's, introduces the definitive Iron Man to the cinema, includes all kinds of easter eggs for us geeks, plays ball on integrating his movies into the Avengers saga and still takes shit because he misstated something in an interview? This is confirmation of the prototypical "you'll never satisfy those guys" attitude most filmmakers inevitably begin to adopt. Who can blame them? Who gives a shit about whether or not he knows the Mandarin has tech-based rings BEFORE he's even begun to break story, before he even has a deal in place to make the [frick]ing movie? He's gotten almost everything right---give him some credit.
Mathbat
Mathbat - 5/10/2010, 11:25 AM
Jeez, man. The guy delivers on not one but two great CBM's, introduces the definitive Iron Man to the cinema, includes all kinds of easter eggs for us geeks, plays ball on integrating his movies into the Avengers saga and still takes shit because he misstated something in an interview? This is confirmation of the prototypical "you'll never satisfy those guys" attitude most filmmakers inevitably begin to adopt. Who can blame them? Who gives a shit about whether or not he knows the Mandarin has tech-based rings BEFORE he's even begun to break story, before he even has a deal in place to make the [frick]ing movie? He's gotten almost everything right---give him some credit.
d3vine
d3vine - 5/10/2010, 11:43 AM
@nerds with sandy vaginas

Magic rings in the third movie? Okay...so then if they go that way everyone will be bitching because half the god damn movie is going to have to explain how out of no where, with no mention in previous movies, some aliens just pop up and are like "oh hai mandarin heres some alien tech go f*cking crazy!".

Yeah because sticking to that aspect of the comic will TOTALLY make for an awesome movie.

People like the OP are the reason I write editorials about people bitching ;)
mounted88
mounted88 - 5/10/2010, 11:45 AM
Why are we even worried about iron man 3. That movie is so long away, we have first avenger, thor, the avengers, the end of the world in 2012. All that is before iron man 3. Be happy and lets eat smore's
soperman
soperman - 5/10/2010, 11:49 AM
why is everyone hating on iron man 2, it is possibly my favourite comic book movie ive ever seen
pitchblack
pitchblack - 5/10/2010, 11:51 AM
Calm down Sparky... he'll probably change his ideas once he actually begins to work on Iron Man 3. Some fanboys just need to pull those sticks out of their butts for a few minutes.
TheStranger
TheStranger - 5/10/2010, 11:52 AM
I agree with Mathbat, besides there are incarnations where the rings are considered magic based. Its not like RDJ came into the franchise saying "Ive read every Iron Man comic before i even started making Iron Man" In fact nobody the has acted these characters has read all of their comics.

Lets be honest, he is going to do his homework on the character and if he is going to make it tech based anyway...why the hell are you even complaining? If he is doing the right thing in the end...isnt this entire article just a big waste of space?
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 5/10/2010, 11:57 AM
"Iron Man 2" was awesome, people.

Now, about the rings: he wants tech? Well, they ARE tech! Alien tech is STILL tech.
SHHH
SHHH - 5/10/2010, 11:59 AM
Are Hater's who don't agree with everybody elese??
Shaman
Shaman - 5/10/2010, 12:02 PM
This article is making this website look like a turd bucket. It's bad enough as it is with people "thinking" that fanboys are never happy. Giving them written proof of it is retarded. What, was the taped on "kick me" sign not satisfactory, you had to go get a custom neon one done?!?!?! Seriously... a whole freakin' editorial on Mandarin's rings?!?!?!?! The bottom of the lame ass barrel has been shattered to splinters and you're drilling for magma!!!

Hasn't anyone figured out that what he meant was "even though the rings ARE tech, they give the wearer what could be labeled as magical powers and that those powers are what could be awkward in a reality/tech based filmverse"??? HHHEEEEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! It's not as if they can use the whole film to delve deeply into alien tech and explain each of the rings' function technically!!! To the average movie goer, THEY WILL BE MAGICAL!!!!!! Get your heads out of your asses!!! "But he said "magic" instead of "tech"... boo [frick]ing hoo.
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