EDITORIAL: The one and only problem with the Iron Man Trilogy.

I loved the trilogy, and think it's a great film trilogy. But, it sacrificed something big and it's a real downer for me. Hit the jump to find out what.

Editorial Opinion
By GuardianDevil - May 31, 2013 04:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man

(Iron Man 3 spoilers)

Hello again friends, this is an article coming from someone who loved the Iron Man trilogy. I would rate it as the second best ComicBookMovie trilogy of all time, just right behind Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. To be frank, I like Favreau's style of directing better than Nolan's. I also prefer the general feel of the Iron Man films, and I would rate it above The Dark Knight Trilogy if not for one big problem with all three movies....what was that problem??


...The villains,I know I am not the first one to say this. But, it's true. Now I'm not talking about how much screen time they all got. Because if I was, Whiplash didn't get much screen time and was underused overall. Iron Monger didn't show up until the end. The Mandarin didn't even exist. But I'm not upset about lack of screen time, not at all. I'm sure many would attribute the lack of interesting villains in the Iron Man trilogy to Iron Man lacking interesting villains in the first place. But, nothing could be further from the truth. Iron Man has a great rogues gallery and I would place it as the fifth greatest rogues gallery of all time. (Behind Batman, Spider-Man, Superman and Daredevil and tied with Captain America) Frankly, all three or four of the villains used in the Iron Man trilogy were botched versions of spectacular characters. To get to the point, let's take a look at the three villains used. Iron Monger, Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash, and Mandarin/Mallen/Aldrich Killian. (oh jeez, a three way amalgamation)


Iron Monger



First off I am going to compare Iron Monger from the comics to the one used in the film. Now, I think people have a flawed view of the Iron Monger. Because to be honest, I don't think most people have ever even read a comic with him in it. Because for whatever reason he stopped being used a while ago. Most people think and say that Iron Monger sucks, but the only version of him they know is the clunking brute who showed up at the end of Iron Man. I'm going to give some insight into the actual Iron Monger. In the comics, Obadiah Stane was a business rival of Tony Stark. Obadiah was a tactical, strategic and manipulative genius. Not to mention he's not too shabby in the science department. This all started when he was a kid, and mastered chess. He became the best chess player he could find, constantly trying to find new opponents for him to beat. He was not just a great tactician, he knew how to manipulate the outcome of the game. For instance, one time Obadiah found an opponent who was better than him at chess. He studied this opponent, and knew that he couldn't win. So, he manipulated the outcome by secretly killing the boy's dog, so he would be sad the next day when they played, and would not play at his best and Obadiah would win. Things like that transferred into his adult life, he was known for his ruthlessness, master manipulative/strategic/tactical skills and his incredible business and scientific savvy. Later, when he becomes a villain. He is to Iron Man, what Bane is to Batman. No one has destroyed Stark's legacy and taken away his dignity like the Iron Monger did. To be honest, Iron Monger did to Stark in the comics what we THOUGHT that Mandarin was going to do to him in Iron Man 3. He attacked him on every front, he drove him out of business and attacked his business life. He attacked Iron Man in his superhero life, and ruined his personal life and forced Tony to revert to alcoholism and Tony became a vagrant. He took over the company, and left a drunk Tony Stark for dead.


Now, soak all that in. If you need to, read the above paragraph again. Then think with me, did any of that even come close to happening in Iron Man? Iron Monger is a great villain, and a lot cooler than people give him credit for. But can we blame them? If the only version of him they know is a clunking brute who wants to make money off of weapons? Obadiah in the comics did have personal gain as a motive, but It wasn't nearly as small scale as it was portrayed in the movie. In the movie, Stane wants to sell weapons to terrorists. In the comics, he plans to overtake the biggest company in America and ruin the Stark legacy forever, and destroy Tony's dignity. Stane was ruthless, cunning, genius all around and made a suit nearly on par with Iron Man.

Iron Monger in the movie wasn't a bad villain, but let's face facts. Jeff Bridges' Iron Monger was a botched version of a spectacular villain. A wimpy version of Iron Man's Doomsday.



Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo


Next up, I will discuss and compare the versions from the comics and movie. In Iron Man 2, Whiplash was an amalgamation of Crimson Dynamo and another villain called Blacklash. Because in the comics, "Whiplash" didn't exist, at least not until Iron Man 2 came out. He was obviously meant to be Crimson Dynamo, but they combined him with some elements of Blacklash too. Crimson Dynamo in the comics, was one of Iron Man's longest standing and greatest villains. You see that's where he differs from Iron Monger, Iron Monger attacked Stark for personal gain. Whereas Crimson Dynamo is a hardcore Russian patriot fighting for his nation's pride. On a side note: Folks say Captain America is a blind patriot, well he isn't. He is a patriot, but he just stands for the American principles and ideals. Crimson Dynamo is an example of a somewhat blind but passionate patriot. Back on topic, I never viewed Crimson Dynamo as a truly evil villain. But in fact, a passionate patriot. Now, I am not Russian and have no particular allegiance to that country, but I always sorta admired Crimson Dynamo. Even though he was a bad guy, because every time he went up against a hero in the Marvel universe. He wasn't doing it for himself, he wasn't going it for personal gain, or revenge. He did it for national pride, and to serve his country. I've always seen him as a great villain and an interesting character.

Again, take a good look at the Crimson Dynamo (Vanko) from the comics and then compare it to the Vanko in Iron Man 2. Did they eveb touch on or mention Vanko's motive or his passionate patriotic side? No, he's just mad because Tony's father and his own father had some kind of disagreement in the past. While I didn't think Whiplash in Iron Man 2 was a bad villain, but he was nowhere near as cool as he could have been. If they had just handled him better.


The Mandarin


Next, I will discuss and compare the Mandarin from the comics to the one in the movie. Now, I actually liked Killian as a villain in Iron Man 3. It was interesting how they showcased how terrorist leaders are indeed cowards who hide behind their "ideals" and in the final battle scene, the made Killian really awesome. But aside from that, it was nowhere near as great as it would have been with The actual Mandarin. The Mandarin from the comics was sick, he had the ten rings from an alien world. He was a truly menacing oriental martial artists and terrorist. The Mandarin was a great villain and a great character. Now, Killian is a another amalgamation made up of three components. The Mandarin, Mallen and Aldrich Killian. I already explained who Mandarin was, but Mallen was basically the same guys that Killian was supposed to be in the movie. He had the same powers, and looked similar. As for Aldrich Killian he helped created the Extremis virus and then he killed himself, he only existed for two issues. It is a strange amalgamation of those three, but I do think it kinda works.

I was however upset by the twist, I forgave it later on. But, The Mandarin I knew was butchered into a druggie actor. Granted, Killian was really cool and almost made up for that, but not completely.


Frankly, this is the only major problem with the trilogy. That three fantastic villains got butchered, they were not bad. They were just alright. Now, I'm not a big hardcore comicbook purist like some. But, I do think they ignored potential of three great villains, and instead took the easy way out and got really sloppy with them. Don't think I'm being a hater, because I loved Iron Man 1 & 3, and liked 2. But, they had botched versions of great villains. Now, I really liked the character arc for the hero in all three movies. But they got sloppy with the villains, and hoped that the hero's amazing character arc would make up the difference.


I'm not saying they were bad. I'm just saying that people say that Iron Man has a crappy rogues gallery. When he doesn't, he has a great rogues gallery. Just, in the films they got really sloppy in their handling of them and made them boring and one dimensional. Don't get me wrong, I love the Iron Man trilogy. But they ignored the potential of great villains in order to give our hero more screen time.

Thanks for reading, sound off below if you agree or disagree. I'm open for discussion.
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TheOneAboveAll
TheOneAboveAll - 5/31/2013, 5:01 PM
A film about heroes without a great villain(s) cannot become great.
THIS
THIS - 5/31/2013, 5:01 PM
A real downer? I see what you did there.
I want Ghost in IM4. What y'all think?
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/31/2013, 5:05 PM
^ yeah maybe. I was thinking Fin Fang Foom.
NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 5/31/2013, 5:27 PM
As a die-hard fan of the Iron Man trilogy, I agree with you. Biggest thing lacking from the films were strong villains (subtracting Killian). My thought is that they were focused mainly on making Tony a A-list character (achieved), but they didn't have any villain development. I believe that since Iron Man is now big in the public eye,the next Iron Man films (either with RDJ or someone else) will have better detailed villains. Good write-up!
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2013, 5:34 PM
Cool read. Fyi, Scarlotti started off as Whiplash, then changed his name to Blacklash. Then there was a relatively unknown character named Whiplash that was a girl, and her man dressed the same and called himself Blacklash. They came out much later after Scarlotti died. The first Crimson Dynamo was named Vanko. Not sure about his first name. I actually thought it was a great idea to fuse the two villains. Just my opinion.
MrReese
MrReese - 5/31/2013, 5:40 PM
kenjim152
kenjim152 - 5/31/2013, 5:45 PM
I am almost sure I read some whiplash stories before Iron Man 2 came out, the currency version was taken out from the movie as u said but someone else was calles whiplash before.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2013, 5:48 PM
@Kenjim. Did you read what I just posted?
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/31/2013, 5:52 PM
@wyleejay
I didn't know Scarlotti was called Whiplash. I knew Blacklash, but my bad. Didn't know that, but still Whiplash in the movie was an amalgam of Blacklash?Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo.
MrCameron
MrCameron - 5/31/2013, 6:02 PM
Now, I didn't know much about Iron Monger or the guys Whiplash was based off before reading this, but after I did, I realized "Damn, Marvel really butchered these characters".

As for the Mandarin, I never cared for him in the first place. He's a C-level threat at best IMO and a racial stereotype to boot, and I liked what they did in Iron Man 3 because it really worked well as a social commentary on modern terrorists and how their "ideals". Plus, that final fight with Killian revealing his dragon tattoos and saying "I AM the Mandarin" made it up for me.
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 5/31/2013, 6:10 PM
The one and only problem with the Iron Man Trilogy... Iron Man 3. But seriously what a disappointment. To me this movie had more potential than Green Lantern and while not nearly as bad as GL, hurt alot more.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 5/31/2013, 6:13 PM
This is my problem too. I can't rate the Trilogy ahead of Nolan's Batman, Raimi's Spider-Man, or even the X-Men Trilogy too.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2013, 6:16 PM
My only problem with Iron mans rogues, is that his best villains are shared with other heroes. Radioactive man with Thor, Ultron with Ant man, and Doctor Doom of course. Since Marvel doesn't own Doctor Doom they obviously can't use him. They will probably lead up to Ultron after Antman but I doubt he will show up in an Iron man solo film. Most likely in an Avengers sequel. So what about Radioactive manmahe would be great for the Masters if they ever use them, but they need to introduce him first. I would love to see Ghost and the Living Lazer in a movie.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/31/2013, 6:19 PM
@Napoleon
Yeah, Iron Monger is great. He's a favorite of mine. But that's what I was saying. People think Iron Man has a crappy rogues gallery, but he doesn't. His is packed with interesting villains, it's just that Marvel studios got really, really sloppy in handling them. And put out butchered versions of great characters.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/31/2013, 6:21 PM
@wyleejay
Well yeah, but Iron Man has a good group of villains that aren't shared. Iron Monger, Ghost, Crimson Dynamo, Living Laser, The Mandarin, Fin Fang Foom, Ezekiel Stane, etc. are all good/great villains that aren't shared.
MrCameron
MrCameron - 5/31/2013, 6:24 PM
@ Fenix

I know. But still, I liked the trilogy overall (despite #2 being a snoozefest) and rate it third behind Nolan's Batman films and the X-Men trilogy.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2013, 6:41 PM
I wonder if they can get Ezekiel Stane worked into the story. Will it be hard to buy that Obidiahs son that there was no reference to, shows up for revenge? If he's such a genius, why wouldn't he have been brought up before? People will ask these questions when they think of an outline for Iron Man sequels. Can they work him into the story that's already established? I hope so cause he's a good enough villain. He would look awesome visually when using his powers.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/31/2013, 9:01 PM
I think a lot of people either forget, or just plain do not understand Obidiah Stane.

HE is the villain, not the Iron Monger mech. It's not as though he's only there for the last 10 minutes, not like he got less screen time than Venom... he is the one responsible for pretty much everything that makes Tony into Iron Man.

*Who put the hit out on Tony? Stane. And it wasn't enough, so the Ten Rings captured him and demanded he build weapons for them.

*Who steals the Mark I from the Ten Rings before killing them? Stane.

*Who builds a larger prototype weapons platform based on the Mark I? Stane (and a few engineers who can't build a miniature arc reactor in a cave...with a box of scraps)

*So who steals Tony's arc reactor to power his new baby? Stane.

Four pretty big and important elements that build his short career as Tony's first nemesis... all before he starts shooting up the place.

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That said, yes, his villains are wanting.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/31/2013, 9:55 PM
@Tainted
True. But, I think most people look at Iron Monger as the villain not Stane. While to me they are one and the same, I still feel it was wanting. Because Stane didn't do a whole lot that we really got to see til the end. That being said, it was a very hero centric movie. As all movies should be to some degree but it didn't really give us much of a villain.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/31/2013, 10:01 PM
I still liked Stane in the movie, but he could've been handled way better IMO.
Happy11
Happy11 - 6/1/2013, 4:33 AM
Totally agree.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 6/1/2013, 5:48 AM
Iron Man 3 is the second best CBM trilogy behind, The Dark Knight trilogy. My only problem with the trilogy is Whiplash and Iron Man 2 as a whole. I personally feel that, The Mandarin in the comics wouldn't have worked cause The Ten Rings would've look ridiculous and using it's powers would've came off incredibly cartoony and it would never have been taken seriously. They did him justice in, Iron Man 3 in my opinion. They still made him work even though it wasn't comicbook, Mandarin.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 6/1/2013, 7:57 AM
i dont like how all of the villians died. stane was killed by the ark reactor explosion, vanko blew himself up(whats up with that?) and the mandarin(killian) was blown up by stark survived but then somehow died when pepper shot him. i feel all the villians where wasted.
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 6/2/2013, 11:56 AM
I disagree. It is the one hero series that somehow managed to be really entertaining and mostly true to the character. The villains were subpar. Yet, it still managed to engage the audiences.

We should always remember that this site, myself included, is largely purists.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 6/2/2013, 6:20 PM
@Fenix
I must have missed that sentence, or just somehow skimmed over it... but....
Because for whatever reason he stopped being used a while ago.

I'm trying to reconcile this statement here with what you wrote about him doing to Tony what Bane did to Batman, because at the end of Demon in a Bottle, we get a pretty defining reason WHY Stane hasn't shown up in the comics afterwards...

GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 6/2/2013, 11:52 PM
@Tainted
Demon in a bottle was great. Even if it was when they decided to kill off one of my favorite villains.

I think you may have misunderstood, I didn't mean what Bane did to Batman is what Iron Monger did to Iron Man. What I mean by that is that they are the closest to bring an equivalent of the two. They both are physically threatening to our hero, but both are capable of out maneuvering and outsmarting him. They both stole our hero's dignity and left him for dead.

On the topic of why Iron Monger doesn't appear anymore, yes I read demon in a bottle I know he killed himself I realize that. When I said "for whatever reason" I was saying I don't understand why they would WANT to kill him off. If that makes sense, I know that they killed him off. But, I don't know the reason why. That's what I meant by that statement.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 6/2/2013, 11:54 PM
"they are the closest thing to BEING an equivalent of the two"
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 6/3/2013, 12:08 AM
@Fangz
Iron Monger is a great villain, IMO he's Iron Man's greatest villain. You should check out his appearances, as long as you don't mind classic/vintage looking art.

You see, that's what I'm really liking about Marvel now and New 52, they have modernized the characters appearances. That's what I wish they would do with Stane, but as aforementioned they killed him off ages ago for some reason.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 6/3/2013, 5:18 AM
Yeah I got what you meant with the Bane comparison, but you just had me confused with the "for whatever reason".... it's like, didn't you read the story....?

But yeah, there we go.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 6/3/2013, 1:21 PM
Perhaps I should have worded it differently...

"He stopped being used a while ago,because they killed him off for whatever reason"

Probably what I should've said, I know he killed himself. But, what I meant was the writers stopped using him and killed him off for whatever reason.
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