EDITORIAL: Who Can Save The DC Movie Universe?...IRON MAN!

EDITORIAL: Who Can Save The DC Movie Universe?...IRON MAN!

A look into the now tried-and-true formula that created the most successful movie franchise in history, my thoughts on Justice League Dark and what can be done to save the DC movie universe.

Editorial Opinion
By ProfessorM33 - Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man

Iron Man Can Save The DC Movie Universe?

While debating the necessity of a Justice League Dark movie with Shannon Barnson from the "Geek Show Pod Cast", I brought up that Justice League Dark could/would be DC's Guardians of the Galaxy.

"They have to have their Iron Man first." He replied.

He is absolutely right.

DC's Movie Studio has yet to find their Iron Man.

Let's take a look at the recipe that made the Iron Man movie such a huge success.

Add 1 second rate character:
Before 2008 very few people knew that Iron Man was more than a triathlon in Hawaii or a Black Sabbath song. Though an important component in the comicbook version of Avengers, many comicbook fans doubted the character’s ability to hold his own in a full length feature film.

1 Cupof a relatively unknown actor (at the time):
It's difficult to think of Hollywood’s leading man and now Marvel's poster boy, Robert Downey Jr., playing second fiddle to the likes of Tim Allen (Shaggy Dog) and Eric Bana (Lucky You), but for nearly a decade before he became the Armored Avenger that's what he did. In fact, Marvel didn't even want him. He was too much of a risk. Director Jon Favreau had to ask the studio multiple times for them to agree to the casting choice. Both Tom Cruise and Nicolas Cage were way above RDJ on the Iron Man priority list. Now, thanks to his redefining role of Tony Stark, RDJ is now right where he belongs. Front and center in the limelight.

A dash of a decent, life-long comic fan, fairly unknown director:
Before taking the reigns of a tentpoleof what would later become the most successful movie franchise ever, Jon Favreau was known more for his acting than his directing. However, Favreau was dedicated to "making the movie right." He cared what the comicbookfans thought, he cared about what the non-comicbook fans thought, and as fan himself, he admittedly wanted people to like Tony Stark as much as he did. It worked. Too many directors today are only in it for the money and don't care what the fans think. Some directors have openly admitted that they don't care who hates their film. People will pay to see it anyway. (*cough* Michael Bay *cough*.) Having a true, honest fan of the characters and comics leading the charge has been a constant at Marvel Studios.

Sprinkle in some A-List support for gravitas:

Due to RDJ's lack of high profile screen time, Marvel needed to bring in some supporting cast to make us believe that they were making a real movie. Who doesn't want to see a movie with Gweneth Paltrow, Jeff Bridges and Terrence Howard? Much like his Avenger teammate, the Thor movie had very little interest until Anthony Hopkins was announced to play the allfather Odin.

Mix well and place in theaters

WARNING! Movie will be HOT!

Interestingly enough, most of the successful comicbook movies have been centered around the same "no-name" actor surrounded by A-list talent recipe. Franchises such as X-Men (Hugh Jackman with Ian McKellen and Patrick Steward), Guardians of the Galaxy (Chris Pratt with Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper), Thor (Chris Hemsworth with Natalie Portman and Anthony Hopkins). Even DC's Man of Steele (Henry Cavill with Amy Adams, Russell Crowe, and Kevin Costner) and Batman Begins (Christian Bale with Michael Kaine and Morgan Freeman) have fared much better financially than those that had an A-list cast as the principal character including Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds), and Daredevil (Ben Affleck). Of course there will always be exceptions, such as Michael Keaton playing the role of Bruce Wayne in Tim Burton's Batman. For the most part however, the evidence is solid.

Comicbook movies have a much better track record at making A-list actors rather than casting them.

For years actors used to say that the hardest role to portray is somebody famous that's still alive, because anyone could look at you and say, “That's not them.” Even when Will Smith played the great Mohammad Ali, and was nominated for an Oscar for his performance, many people couldn't see Ali. All people could see was Will Smith. Super hero comicbook movies have uppedthat a notch. When asked about being Wolverine, Hugh Jackman stated, “People have tattoos of Wolverine. He's a god to some people.” Let's face it, if you're reading this then you have probably complained about a particular casting choice for a character that is dear to you. On the other side, you have probably been impressed by an actor that was unfamiliar to you, that not only nailed the character but redefined it. Chris Pratt anyone?

Aside from Green Lantern not being the greatest movie in the world, many of the fans couldn't get past the fact that “Ryan Reynolds isn't Hal Jordan. Kyle Rayner...maybe, but certainly not Hal Jordan.” Expectation is already set.

The same goes for super high profile characters. The likes of Superman and Batman are so universally well known that it's hard to picture anyone in such an iconic role. Also, it's easy to use the iconic as a crutch. Batman vs Superman will be a success because it's Batman and Superman, but will that instill confidence in the general audience that DC can make a good movie? Are they simply relying on “The World’s Finest” to carry the load?

When Marvel announced that Iron Man would kickoff their ambitious “Avengers Initiative”, they were highly criticized for not starting with Captain America. Surely more people know who Captain America is. At the time in the comics, Marvel was still feeling the impact from the popular and controversial “Civil War” storyline. Most comicbook fans who knew who Tony Stark was didn't even like the character. Surely, Captain America was a much safer choice.

However, after the success of Iron Man, Marvel announced that they were going to do a Thor movie. Seriously Marvel? What's your game? So why did Thor exceed expectations? Because in the backs and fronts of people's minds, was the thought, “Well, I didn't expect Iron Man to be any good either. So I'll give this a chance.” By the time Captain America got his own movie, people were already convinced that Marvel was going to make a good movie regardless of the popularity of the character. The Avengers followed suit and became the most successful franchise in movie history.

In 2012 Marvel then announced Guardians of the Galaxy! Even many comicbook fans had no idea who these characters were. There was a half-human thief, a monster, a green alien assassin, a giant tree, and a talking raccoon. People raced to the theaters with little to no knowledge of the characters or story. Why? Because Marvel has done this before. They gave us characters that we didn't know, and made us fall in love with them. Guardians was no exception.

Now, I'm not saying that DC Comics as a whole is completely clueless here. Anyone following the last couple of weeks of DC's television news knows that someone up there knows what's going on. With titles like Arrow, Flash, Titans, Gotham, Constantine, and Lucifer all announced on the small screen slate, DC is doing everything right on television. All focusing on second rate characters, with no-name actors, and doing extremely well.

So why are they so afraid of the silver screen? Who can answer that question? Well...again, Iron Man.

Iron Man, not only as a formula, but as an attitude embodies the attitude of Marvel Studios. Marvel is confident, they believe that they can do no wrong, rolling in dough, they can beat anything thrown their way, and some of the decisions they've made may have been while intoxicated. Marvel has an overabundance of confidence right now and rightfully so. Thus, the general movie going audience also has confidence in Marvel.

DC Movies lack that confidence. Thus, the audience lacks confidence in DC movies. Green Lantern was originally announced in 1997. It was finally released in 2011. DC fell back on their safety nets pushing another Superman and two more Batman movies in that same time period. Problem? Yes. Why should we believe in a movie that they don't believe in themselves?

In 2012 only 4 months after Marvel's announcement of Guardians, DC announced Justice League Dark, with fan favorite director Guillermo del Toro. Well...Guardians is tearing apart the box office and Justice League Dark? Anyone? The latest news is, “we're still working on it.” Meanwhile, Guillermo del Toro has 5 other projects either in development or have been announced, not one of them is Justice League Dark. Do we have to wait another 12 years before we this outcast group of strange unknown characters grace us with their originality?

This is further exemplified in DC's move to change the date of their Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice as to not have to compete with Captain America 3. The “StarSpangled Avenger” has already beaten “The Worlds Finest” and the fight hasn't even started yet. DC has shied away from creating movies like Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter because they “can't relate to audiences”. Yet, these characters seem to have no trouble gaining popularity enough to be featured in the successful Justice League and Justice League Unlimited cartoons and past TV shows such as Wonder Woman (Linda Carter), and Smallville.

DC also has announced that it will not mesh it's movie universe with it's TV universe? Now, I don't think they have to do everything that Marvel does, but why would you shun a successful franchise's help? How many more people would see Dawn of Justice if Stephen Amell (Arrow) or Grant Gustin (The Flash) were to make an appearance with the rest of the Justice League? Or if the Constantine TV show does well, why would you not put Matt Ryan in a Justice League Dark movie? To me that's the equivalent of turning down Lebron James to be on your basketball team. It simply doesn't make sense to me.

DC needs an Iron Man. They need that one movie, using a second rate character, with an unknown actor, that leaves audiences saying, “I had no idea what to expect, but that was pretty damn good!” They need to prove that they simply can make a good movie without the crutch of names. Below is a list of characters that I believe could be that guy for DC. I know that many of these characters have been or will be featured on the small screen, but that only testifies even more that DC should reconsider their no combining TV and movies policy.

In no particular order:

Cole Cash (Grifter)

Dick Grayson (Nightwing)

Tim Drake (Red Robin)

Terry McGuiness (Batman Beyond)

Rosa Bertenelli (Huntress)

Carter Hall (Hawkman)

Barbra Gordon (Batgirl)

Michael Carter (Booster Gold)

Kara Zor-L (Powergirl)

J'onn J'onzz (Martian Manhunter)


Now I know that this is the opinion of one man. However, one thing is for certain...

That's how Iron Man did it, that's how Marvel does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.
 

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neihofft
neihofft - 9/26/2014, 12:32 PM
I think this guy isnt aware of a little character known as Batman
neihofft
neihofft - 9/26/2014, 12:33 PM
And keep dreaming about DC copying Marvel. yawn
yossarian
yossarian - 9/26/2014, 12:37 PM
I hate to agree with Gusto. But yes, Iron Man was Black Sabbath.

Still good stuff.
ProfessorM33
ProfessorM33 - 9/26/2014, 12:39 PM
Of course it's Black Sabbath! I can't believe I confused that! Fixed it though. Thanks for the catch!
McGee
McGee - 9/26/2014, 1:15 PM
They tried to do that with Green Lantern. That was supposed to be their Iron Man.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 1:25 PM
I'm not sure who DC's pre-2008 Iron Man is. It was going to be Green Lantern but...I think it'll be Shazam now. I'm calling a 2016 release with an established but not well known actor playing the title role. The Rock is his A list support.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 1:26 PM
I gave you the thumbs up even though I don't think the DCCU needs saving.
BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 9/26/2014, 1:43 PM
Okay, this is as a complete Marevlite ...but the solution to DC being a LEGIT threat is to NOT be Marvel. There seems to be a contingent of fans who insist the ONLY way to beat Marvel is to do everything like Marvel ...which is the exact reverse of what DC should be doing (and to an extent what they are doing). People insist that before the Justice League that DC release individual hero movies first ...but no, you can't do that because everyone would consider DC as a Marvel Rip Off (while they are cashing in, they do not have to be a complete knock off nor do I think they want to be). People insist that they need the exact same formula to compete with Marvel. But that is a misconception by people who just do not know any better. There are different conditions and situations for different characters and franchises that make them hits. There is no major breakthrough hit that is created equal ...and whenever ANYONE tries to re-create that, it ends in disaster because people know a knock off when they see one. The CBM world is so much better when everyone is trying to do their own thing and not straight up ripping everyone else off. This is why I am okay that DC is not fully committing to the FULLY shared universe right now. They are smartly trying their best to be as different as possible

There is no universal RIGHT way ...but the constant universal WRONG way is trying to hoping re-creating someone else's success step by step.

That is not to say that I agree with ALL of DC's decisions because there is a lot of corporate mandated bullcrap in there ...but it is too early to say that they need to be saved to the point where we insist they do something as desperate as to straight up copy the Marvel Studios formula.
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 9/26/2014, 2:12 PM
DC tried to copy Marvel with GL and failed......yes the script was bad.....but I rather them do something different....
grif
grif - 9/26/2014, 2:19 PM
lmfao. wtf do you call batman? not the moviegoers fault they started with superman.
Deschain99
Deschain99 - 9/26/2014, 2:20 PM
What in the sh*t . . . .
ALegendaryPanda
ALegendaryPanda - 9/26/2014, 2:24 PM
This article.... is complete madness..
GuardianAngel
GuardianAngel - 9/26/2014, 2:27 PM
To all the people saying DC should do the opposite of Marvel, when has that ever worked. If The Avengers was released first, it would've never been nearly as big as it was.
Batman52
Batman52 - 9/26/2014, 2:28 PM
@Objectivelybiased agreed and First off what is their to save? DC is just getting started with their upcoming movies and Television shows. So you don't know how good or bad these things will turn out. Which is why I think this is an absurd article to begin with.
Batman52
Batman52 - 9/26/2014, 2:30 PM
And maybe at least wait until after Batman v Superman comes out to put up this article cause this is just pre-mature.
GuardianAngel
GuardianAngel - 9/26/2014, 2:30 PM
If Batman v Superman somehow sucks and DC bombs with JL, they're done. It's an unnecessary risk. If they just do what Marvel did, the worst that can happen is some nerd on the internet will yell at them for copying Marvel.
GuardianAngel
GuardianAngel - 9/26/2014, 2:32 PM
The Marvel formula doesn't just involve the order in which you release films, it also is largely based on making quality films.
Batman52
Batman52 - 9/26/2014, 2:32 PM
@MrMartinMarvel exactly like let Coke make Coke and let Pepsi make Pepsi people have different taste, but they both make good business.
WimpyKid4Life
WimpyKid4Life - 9/26/2014, 2:33 PM
The DC cinematic universe is in great condition. Man of Steel was the best superhero movie of 2013 and I always get chills up my spine when I think about Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice!!! It has a talented crew directed by a visual perfectionist and written by an acclaimed writer. The only people that need saving is us after Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice launches into theaters and blows our minds off!!! Save us, Chris! I can't wait to see Batman v Superman: Dawn of Jusitce. I'm positive like cation that it's going to be a gamechanger!!!
Ocelot
Ocelot - 9/26/2014, 2:34 PM
Save what exactly? they're just starting it.
CamtonoOfBeskar
CamtonoOfBeskar - 9/26/2014, 2:36 PM
Well I'm not gonna say Marvel NEEDS a batman... just that they don't have one.

Batman52
Batman52 - 9/26/2014, 2:41 PM
Also not to long ago WB/DC had this little trilogy called The Dark Knight Trilogy that handled it's self quite well against the Marvel Cinematic Universe without any help. And I know ya'll gonna say "Batman52 why you bring up old sh#t" but it's true.
GL
GL - 9/26/2014, 2:43 PM
How about let DC be DC and Marvel be Marvel? What's the point of following Marvel's steps when DC is trying to make themselves different from Marvel.
GL
GL - 9/26/2014, 2:45 PM
And even if DC did this, all the Marvel fanboys would cry out "DC COPIED MARVEL" until DC doesn't exist anymore. Let DC do whatever it wants and stop assuming the DCCU is destined for failure or something.
ShadowlordSavage
ShadowlordSavage - 9/26/2014, 2:46 PM
To sharing the tv universe with the movies, I would not be a fan of seeing Grant Gustin as the Flash in the movies. Nothing wrong with on the CW tv show, but I'd prefer someone else for the films. Besides WB/DC do not need to do everything like Marvel as the most important thing is that movies and the shows are good. Copying Marvel doesn't automatically equal good films, they can try to do that and still have their films suck because of bad direction, bad scripts, poor casting choices etc. If the movies continued to be bad copying Marvel wouldn't change anything.
Matchow
Matchow - 9/26/2014, 2:46 PM
I'll just be content with the WB/DC approach, thanks. No need to copy the Marvel blueprint. BvS is going to successfully LAUNCH the DCCU, of that I'm confident. The BvS forums at SHH routinely have 5 to 6 times the traffic of any other superhero film forum there. People are going to come out of the woodwork for this film.

But nitpick away. We could all do that about ANY film, none have been perfect.
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 9/26/2014, 2:52 PM
How about let DC be DC and Marvel be Marvel? What's the point of following Marvel's steps when DC is trying to make themselves different from Marvel.
patrat18
patrat18 - 9/26/2014, 2:52 PM
What kind of [frick]ery is this?
SADVIPER
SADVIPER - 9/26/2014, 2:53 PM
U r [frick]ing retarded. There is nothing wrong to claim "save the universe" need I remind u how much batmovies pulled historically or superman movies? What about V n other neat flicks. It is not a must to release whatever movies the way marvel does cuz each has its own style. [frick]ing retarded. Aweful flicks have been seen both ways so shut up.
GL
GL - 9/26/2014, 2:56 PM
People need to stop acting like Marvel has no bad movies under it's belt too.
SADVIPER
SADVIPER - 9/26/2014, 3:00 PM
[frick] u only need to see a stupid title to know how bad the article is even without reading! Lol.
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