BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Producer Confirms Right Issues With Universal Means No NAMOR Solo Movie

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Producer Confirms Right Issues With Universal Means No NAMOR Solo Movie

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever producer Nate Moore has addressed the complicated rights issues surrounding Namor the Submariner in the MCU, confirming that we won't be getting a solo outing down the line.

By JoshWilding - Nov 26, 2022 04:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Namor: The Submariner
Source: The Wrap

After years of waiting, we finally got to see Namor join the MCU in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. There had been rumblings Marvel Studios might have plans for the anti-hero stretching as far back as Captain America: The First Avenger, but could a solo movie be next for the Talokan King?


During a recent interview with The Wrap, Marvel Studios producer Nate Moore confirmed that Namor "can return," but complicated rights issues with Universal Pictures make a solo movie an impossibility. We suspected this might be the case, of course, and it seems poor Namor is stuck in the same predicament as The Hulk. 

"It honestly affects us more, and not to talk too much out of school, but in how we market the film than it does how we use him in the film," Moore explains. "There weren’t really things we couldn’t do from a character perspective for him, which is good because clearly, we took a ton of inspiration from the source material."

"We also made some big changes to really anchor him in that world in a truth that publishing never really landed on, I would argue, in a big way," he continues. "I’ve read every Namor comic ever written and I love them, but the world of Atlantis is a little vaguely drawn."

Ryan is such a detail-oriented filmmaker that he wanted to anchor into something that felt as tangible and real as hopefully Wakanda fuels for people. And I think there was nothing from a business side anyway that was preventing us from doing that, which is great."

As Moore alludes to there, Namor can only appear in posters provided they are part of a series (so, character posters, for example). Moving forward, the Sub-Mariner can continue to be part of projects with other heroes, but it's clear now that rumours he's getting his own spin-off are blatantly false. 

The Black Panther sequel definitely set the stage for more stories revolving around the antagonist, anyway, so we're sure he'll return to the MCU sooner rather than later.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is now playing in theaters.

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bkmeijer1 - 11/26/2022, 5:09 AM
If Hulk and Namor's rights are just tight up at Universal but Marvel can use them in other movies, then a Defenders movie could be a possibility?
JDL - 11/26/2022, 5:57 AM
@bkmeijer1 - That appears to be the case.
Doomsday8888 - 11/26/2022, 5:15 AM
There is another.

ObserverIO - 11/26/2022, 5:24 AM
Universal are dumbedydum-dumb-dumb!

They don't even know what they have.
I was watching a Kevin Smith Q&A recently and he was talking to them about a Mallrats sequel and they were like "Wait, we own this?!"

They've had Namor all throughout this comic book movie golden era and they haven't used him. And Hulk! They could have done a million Hulk movies! SO much money on the table.

JDL - 11/26/2022, 5:55 AM
@ObserverIO - No. The most Universal could ever do was standalone movies using what ever associated characters were included with Namor's contract back in the 90's when the deal was done. Any chance for tbose ended in 2012 with the Averngers. Audiences from that point on expected marvel characters to be in the MCU and were not reliable otherwise. The only non-MCU movie that imo exceeded expectationa since 2012 was Deadpool 1.

In all likelyhood as with the Hulk, half of that original deal has lapsed, the production half, leaving a distribution half. It's the latter which is the problem with the Hulk and probably wuth Nmaor as well.
ObserverIO - 11/26/2022, 6:23 AM
@JDL - Audiences may have wanted MCU characters, but tell that to Fox or Sony who continue to capitalise on Spider-Man with non-MCU characters.
They could have made a whole franchise out of Namor. Okay, so he would have probably never fought the Human Torch, but his own comics are enough to sustain a massive series of films.
They secured the option back when Stan Lee was handing out Marvel properties like sweets, but they never did anything with it, not even one movie.
If that ain't dumb I don't know what is.
LimeD - 11/26/2022, 5:47 AM
Good. He doesn't need one.
marvel72 - 11/26/2022, 6:29 AM
I hope we get an comic book accurate take with a Namor The Sub-Mariner movie from Universal.

Taonrey - 11/26/2022, 6:45 AM
@marvel72 - universal has the distribution rights not the rights to actually make a movie.
CaptainAmerica - 11/26/2022, 7:10 AM
@marvel72 - LMFAO
marvel72 - 11/26/2022, 9:19 AM
@CaptainAmerica -

ScaryTerry - 11/26/2022, 6:54 AM
I haven’t seen this yet… is this a big loss to the MCU library?
marvel72 - 11/26/2022, 7:06 AM
@ScaryTerry - From the way he looks, I haven't seen his performance in the movie, I would say....

ScaryTerry - 11/26/2022, 7:49 AM
@marvel72 - That’s fair… I mean how much different could it be from Aquaman, right?
Fogs - 11/26/2022, 7:52 AM
@ScaryTerry - Aquaman was basically Namor. Attitude included.

Haven't seen BPWF yet but I think distancing Namor from him is a smart move.
ScaryTerry - 11/26/2022, 7:55 AM
@Fogs - You know, after Aquaman I was worried about how Marvel was going to handle Namor. Like I said, haven’t seen it, but from what I have seen I do like the redux they gave Namor to accomplish just that.
Fogs - 11/26/2022, 10:21 AM
@ScaryTerry - exactly
DCfan84 - 11/26/2022, 7:35 AM
Isn't this already known? Like even before the advanced advanced stages of pre-product? Also, very important question here guys, and I need everyone's water...wet? And does 1+1=1 plus another one?

Fogs - 11/26/2022, 7:43 AM
@DCfan84 - yeah, we know about this at least since Avengers 1.
mastakilla39 - 11/26/2022, 8:12 AM
@DCfan84 - Not sure if it was known, I think during this summer it was rumored that Marvel got most of what univseral bought from them back. That's why they made She-Hulk and put Namor in BPWF. But now it seems like Universal still owns Namor until 2025 so its a mess.
BigPhilbowski - 11/26/2022, 8:41 AM
Uhm didn't the Marvel twitter page (or one associated with wakanda forever) already comfirm a solo movie when they posted a title poster for Namor the sub mariner along with a tag along the lines of Namor will return?
SuperiorHeckler - 11/26/2022, 9:17 AM
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DCfan84 - 11/26/2022, 9:37 AM
@SuperiorHeckler -
WruceBayne - 11/26/2022, 10:18 AM
@DCfan84 - I’ve been looking for another bottle of “Sex Panther”. Lol
DCfan84 - 11/26/2022, 2:52 PM
@WruceBayne - Amazon...just got another bottle. And 60% of the never works. Lol
Lem1 - 11/26/2022, 9:31 AM
I remember director Jonathan Mastow was gonna make a Namor movie, and he commented on how long it was taking to get in production, saying how "We have to build an entire world". Sounded cool. Wonder if it woulda turned out good.
Chewtoy - 11/26/2022, 9:32 AM
Who wrote these rights agreements that gave a studio control of a character even if they didn’t use him for 20 years+?
Twenty23Three - 11/26/2022, 10:21 AM
@Chewtoy - back when Marvel needed the cash I’m pretty sure you could get the exclusive rights for a character till the end of time for a firm handshake and a ham sandwich
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