How Important is Source Accuracy?

How Important is Source Accuracy?

Some adaptations have taken liberties with the material, and in response, many fans have expressed displeasure, challenging the importance of source accuracy in comic book movies.

Editorial Opinion
By RLYHYPERGUY - May 22, 2013 06:05 PM EST
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Source: "Iron Man 3: What people don't understand about this film"

I just saw Iron Man 3. Last summer, The Dark Knight Rises created a heated debate among comic book fans. Iron Man 3 has already stirred this “purist” pot. Deviation from source material, prevalent in these two popular films, has become the loudest complaint. While hardcore fans have been bashing these movies, general audiences are praising them.

This raises the question of how important the source should be in a comic book adaptation. Because of its ending, The Dark Knight Rises has taken heavy fire from comic book purists, who express displeasure at the thought of Bruce Wayne retiring. However, the ending explores new ground and enforces a new message about Batman: he’s a symbol. Whether the campy Adam West television series or the brutality of a Frank Miller novel, Batman is an enduring cultural icon. Everyone knows Batman, everyone loves Batman. How is this ending bad?

This is fresh; this is new.

Some say that a better ending would be to have Bruce redeem himself to Gotham City and continue his career as Batman, seemingly forever. While this could have been a good ending, the only problem is that it’s too familiar; we’ve seen it before. In countless other stories we’ve seen Batman rise above adversity and continue to fight another day, and if Christopher Nolan had stuck with the familiar then we would not have received such a fresh and symbolic message that shows a deep understanding of this character’s popularity.

Purists have also expressed disappointment with Iron Man 3 because of how the Mandarin was handled. In the film we were given a different version of the Mandarin in Aldrich Killian, a scientist who manipulates the war on terror by creating a stereotypical extremist. This is arguably more threatening than the traditional version because he chooses to manipulate from behind the scenes rather than taking a direct approach. It makes one think: what if the truly evil men in this world are not the ones who make a scene, but the ones who work subtly? The point made by this “bait-and-switch” is intriguing, and provides a new idea not usually present in comic book movies.

This is new; this is great.

An article by rgaona from ComicBookMovie gives another interesting viewpoint: what if this version of the Mandarin was created to play with our expectations? According to rgaona, a white guy, enforcing a stereotype, created the original, comic book Mandarin to spread fear of Chinese communism during the Cold War. Likewise, in Iron Man 3 a white guy, enforcing a stereotype, created the Mandarin to spread fear throughout the United States of a new terrorist. “The film made us come face to face with those biases and expectations, and showed how a smart enemy could subvert our expectations and use us without us realizing it until it’s too late.” Rgaona understands the brilliance of Shane Black’s move, which shows a profound comprehension of the character’s history, while exploring new territory.

Whether one likes this Mandarin or not, they should at least appreciate the idea behind him. Comic book characters can be adapted to a variety of different forms; the comics themselves having radically different tones depending on when they were published. Why should a film adaptation have to stick to an already existing interpretation instead of creating a new one? If we have the same versions over and over again, that becomes boring. We would see the same conflicts and character studies countless times, with nothing original being covered. Why not bring in something else? Why not experiment? Change is great, and whether one likes it or not, they should at least appreciate it when it happens.

This is great; this is art.

Art plays with our expectations; it keeps us guessing, and gives us fresh, new, and original material. In the same way that Heath Ledger blew away our expectations with his portrayal of the Joker, The Dark Knight Rises and Iron Man 3 destroy our expectations by giving us fresh and original material. If Christopher Nolan and Shane Black had stuck with what we expect, what we’re familiar with, their films would have been shallow and pedantic, nothing more than a cheap imitation of pre-existing material. Sure, their films could have been enjoyable for a short while, but they would not have made a significant impact, or even been exciting. The Dark Knight Rises is still being talked about almost a year after its release and Iron Man 3 has a considerable chance of being argued over for years to come.

Imitation is boring; art is exciting. Which one do you prefer?

Ultimately, there are no definitive versions of these characters. Yes, there are popular versions, but they are not sacred, and all adaptations should not have to hold up to them. Instead of complaining about how a filmmaker “butchered” our favorite character, we should relax, understand our favorite version is not everyone else’s, and appreciate this new interpretation we’ve been given. Source accuracy is not as important as we make it out to be, and when a film plays with our expectations by giving us fresh material, it has a greater chance of making a significant impact.

This is what makes a film great.

But if you want complete and total accuracy, you could just skip the theater and read the comics.

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marvel72
marvel72 - 5/22/2013, 7:17 PM
source accuracy for me is the following

-character design/costume
-origin (slight changes i'm fine with)
-must be character & not just the f*ckin name
-take elements from the comics i.e battles & story arcs

that's about it as long as the movie features most of the above list they can come up with any story they want.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 5/22/2013, 7:59 PM
the way i see it as long as you stay true to the spirit of the character, you can do whatever you want with it. yes, costume accuracy helps but if you completely change everything about a character then dont even name it that character. Example: Wolverine. Our Expectation? A bad ass mother[frick]er who slices and dices smokes a cigar and wears a costume with a large mask. Take away the costume, fine, still the badass mofo, but make him into a peaceful person who rarely uses his claws because they were a creation of war. And a whole movie has him trying to avoid fights. (no not an adaptation of Old Man Logan, just a regualr story) even then, if his claws are taken away and he just has a healing factor. is he still wolverine? or should he be called something different?
RLYHYPERGUY
RLYHYPERGUY - 5/22/2013, 8:53 PM
@FanofSteel - That is a good question! Honestly though, I would just view it as an alternate universe. The comics have several different "earths" or "universes," so why can't the films just be considered another universe? I honestly wouldn't be angry if a film with that characterization of Wolverine came out, but then again I've never been a big fan of Wolverine. But if we apply that scenario to my favorite hero, Nightwing, then I would get upset. I have a deep love for this character, and I would hate to see a filmmaker change him from what I know, but ultimately it really doesn't matter. If a filmmaker wants to reimagine a character, even one I love, I have no problem. Sure, I would be angry at first, but I still have the old material that I can read over and over again and, no matter what new version may come out, that material will never change.

I think us comic book fans take these things way too seriously. We seem to act like it's the end of the world when something is changed in a film adaptation, but it really is not that big of a deal. We still have the old, unchanging material to read or watch again whenever we want.

@Marvel72 - I do agree with you mostly, but I wouldn't want to see story arcs from the comics adapted.I would rather see original stories, whether they're completely new or inspired by old comic book stories is irrelevant. All that matters is that they're new. What comic book movies do you think are the best?
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/22/2013, 8:58 PM
Nice article. I wrote one with the same question last month. You should check it out. Put some pics in there next time. Thats what I got crap for.

I'm ok with things being a little different. As long as they don't go too far. I liked Iron Man 3, there's just one thing that bothers me that I have yet to hear a good explanation for.

If Killian was really the Mandarin, what were his motives in the first two films? Was it lazy writing, or did Black have a good reason to make the three films feel disconnected? What I mean is, The Ten Rings kidnapped Tony for Obidiah. They also supplied Vanko with the information on where to find Stark. They knew their actions would lead to his death, so it doesn't make sense for Killian to want him alive in the third film.
RLYHYPERGUY
RLYHYPERGUY - 5/22/2013, 9:22 PM
Hey, WYLEEJAY, just read your article. It was nice also. Yeah, it's been a question on my mind for a while. I think the key thing is execution. If you can execute a change well, then people won't mind it, but if it's done poorly then people will hate it. The question is, what is good execution? I don't think I have an answer right now. I'm a film student, so hopefully I'll learn somewhere down the road.

And that is a good question about Killian. I did feel like his motives were questionable in the movie, but I was enjoying myself too much so I decided to put that thought aside until after the movie. I'd have to see it again to see if I can come up with an answer though. Maybe there's some line somewhere that explains it. As for right now, the only thing I can come up with is that Black wanted to do something different and make his own thing. It is kind of funny how that inconsistency is there, but comic books tend to have things like that as well, so does that mean we're getting an incredibly accurate comic book feel from these movies?

Thanks for the comment and the tip about the pics!
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/22/2013, 9:32 PM
No prob. I guess we could just say Killian changed his mind. That would be a very simple explanation I guess. Or maybe Killian hijacked the Ten Rings for the symbolism. Maybe he based the Mandarin off an actual person. Hah! A twist on the twist! The real Mandarins out there! THEY WILL NEVER SEE ME COMING! That would probably cheapen Iron Man 3 though.
RLYHYPERGUY
RLYHYPERGUY - 5/22/2013, 9:45 PM
Hey, it's still fun to think about! I love coming up with theories.
bronzetiger01
bronzetiger01 - 5/22/2013, 10:00 PM
"Comic book characters can be adapted to a variety of different forms; the comics themselves having radically different tones depending on when they were published."
It is for this reason that the two films (IM3 and TDKR) have already grossed about US$ 1 billion each. The viewing audience love them, loves variation, loves changes in the genre.
A similar case is the adaptation of Harry Potter 7. They made radical changes in the end part, not following the source material as faithfully as possible and audiences who were already excited with the franchise appreciated those changes. End result? It became the number one movie of 2011.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 5/23/2013, 5:06 AM
Ok then, here is an example/

Christopher Nolan said that The Dark Knight Rises took inspiration from A Tale of Two Cities. Now, lets say instead of calling the movie "THe Dark Knight Rises" He just straight up called the Film, A Tale of Two Cities? Considering it not an adaptation of Batman, but an Adaptation of A Tale of Two Cities ( i looked up the book and the movie is not a lot like TDKR.)
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/23/2013, 5:47 AM
@ RLYHYPERGUY

what i mean by taking bits of story arcs is like the dark knight rises featured bane breaking batman it was taken from the knightfall story,i think the odd moment like that worked into a story would be pretty cool.

i loved a story that ran through the pages of the mighty thor 387-389 it was thor vs celestial's,after reading that i would love to see a celestial's turn up in a thor movie.
AmazingFantasy
AmazingFantasy - 5/23/2013, 6:34 AM
Bane was altered
Mandarin was brutally ass raped
fortycals
fortycals - 5/23/2013, 7:04 AM
I judge a movie as its own thing and not how close it is to the source. Once you get away from doing a 100% adaptation, who is to say whats important to keep, and whats not important enough to stay. Its art, and what you walk away feeling, is going to be different, than what I walk away feeling. What is important to me in the characters, wont be the same things that are important to you. We can read the same book and come away with two completely different feelings. I go into the cbm knowing its a different universe, and enjoy the changes, even if it is just for the fact of pointing out the differences.

For example, I love wolvie. Why I love wolvie is going to be different than why another wolvie fan might like him. Someone else might love the berserker rage wolvie, I prefer the straight to the point, calm, collected, and tacticle side of the character. Some might like wolvies costume the most, when I never cared for it. Who is to say whats the definitive wolvie is, when he has been portrayed in many different lights over the decades. Even comic writers dont give you the same wolvie. Some writers write him as just some beast swinging claws and taking bullets to the face. Then some writers write him as the highly skilled samuri.

Everytime this topic comes up I like to bring up my one of my favorite writers. Mario puzo's books a great on there own. The movies for those books (first blood, godfather) are not like the source books a 100%, but are still good movies on there own.
RLYHYPERGUY
RLYHYPERGUY - 5/23/2013, 11:04 AM
@FanofSteel - I think that would still be cool. Yeah, it would be confusing, but he wanted to adapt A Tale of Two Cities with Batman, so he should be able to. I mean, fans of the book would be angry, but they can still go back and read the book. My main point is that we, fans of all types, take adaptations too seriously and, instead of judging them by their own merits, we compare them to the book. It's a sad approach that tends to end in disappointment.

One adaptation I like to think about is Apocalypse Now. It was based on the novella Heart of Darkness, but it changed the setting from Africa to the Vietnam War. The main character was also changed from Charles Marlow, an ivory transporter, to Captain Benjamin Willard. The themes are still present, but the setting and character names are mostly changed, and it's considered to be one of the best movies of all time. What makes it great is that it still preserved the spirit of the novel, but it changed things to separate itself from it.

What I would rather see in comic book adaptations is something like Apocalypse Now. If it's a Batman film, I would rather they didn't change the character, but if they want to make some adjustments to fit their vision then they have every right to. We may hate their adjustments, but it's good that they're able to because it's exciting and new. If Black hadn't made any adjustments to the Mandarin, would we be having these fun (if you consider them fun) debates, or would we be making more lists of our favorite comic book movies?

I love The Dark Knight Rises because, even though it was adapted from comic books and inspired by a novel, it separates itself from both of them with its ending. Unlike A Tale of Two Cities, the main character lives and unlike the comics, Batman hands off the mantle to someone else. Because of the ending, it's one of my favorite films; even the editing and sound mixing problems can't mess with that.

@Marvel72 - I see what you mean. I also like it when that happens, but again, as long is it's not a direct copy of the whole storyline. It's fun seeing nods to the comics and picking up on easter eggs, huh?

@fortycals - That's another good point. I prefer the old Spider-Man comics where he didn't quip as much, but others seem to prefer the newer ones where he acts almost like Deadpool. Writers tend to put a little bit of themselves into their main characters, so one writer's Spider-Man will differ from another's. Yet, for some reason, we don't attack the comics, but the films instead. I treat the films as just another story with the character, and if the filmmaker wants to make the character different I don't mind. It's just another interpretation.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 5/23/2013, 12:32 PM
You bring up apocalypse now, and I think its important that you did. You see that the film was NOT titled Heart of Darkness. Whereas something like World War Z is still titled that, yet has NOTHING to do with the book on which its based. Why name something something, but then strip away the very essence of that story and those characters? I think the name is important. With comics, ok, fine you can change and move around stuff because you have 60 years worth of stories. But say you change Batmans origin. His parents weren't killed and he was broke, and just wanted to fight crime. Is he still Batman at that point? or have you created a new character and put batman as the name for Brand recognition?
tonytony
tonytony - 5/23/2013, 1:55 PM
its ok to alter characters just not too much. The changes to the Doctor octopus, green goblin, Joker, Ras Al ghul and Bane to me were great as they added to the characters and made them relevant and modernised without erasing the charaqcters (ala mandarin). I am interested in seeing an updated interpretation of a character not one that erases them completely.
RLYHYPERGUY
RLYHYPERGUY - 5/23/2013, 4:06 PM
@ FanofSteel - That's very true. Okay, I see what you mean. I'll have to revise my thesis then: It's good for filmmakers to do what they want in adaptations, but if they stray too far from the source then they should change the name. Bravo, sir!

@ tonytony - My problem with that is Killian WAS an "updated" interpretation of the Mandarin. He had all of the characteristics of the character minus ethnic origins and magic rings. It doesn't bother me because the character was basically there, just in a more obscure way. I see how it would bother you, though. I know I would be angry if a character I liked was drastically changed in their first film outing.
brazilianbatman
brazilianbatman - 5/23/2013, 9:28 PM
I was disappointed with the dark knight rises when I first viwed but then I started to admire. ppl have to understand that was Nolan's take on a quasi-realistic world. unlike marvel studios whose have been sticking with their source material and followed a standar formula in all their movies.
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 5/23/2013, 10:59 PM
It's great to be a purist. However, there are not enough purists to make the studios the same amount of cash.

I think the portrayal of Mandarin was more interesting than Bane.

If we can't be open to creative license, then we can't enjoy these movies. It's that simple.
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