Marvels misdoings! Why Warner / DC will win the edge back eventually!

Marvels misdoings! Why Warner / DC will win the edge back eventually!

After this years Comic Con Marvel Studios plans for Phase II are praised to an unbelievable extent amongst ComicBook Fans. Find out why there will be a day Marvel will lose its edge, DC getting its back.

Editorial Opinion
By PuyGuy - Jul 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST
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I ve got something to say. Something to whine about, actually.

While it SEEMS like Marvel has the upper hand now, since DC has nothing in the pipeline after Man of Steel, and Marvel building up and expanding even more on their cinematic universe then anyone of us would have expected 2 years ago...there is still a weak link to what Marvel is doing. A weak link that could someday break their neck, when DC eventually catches up.

What am I talking about? Easy:

DC/ Warner is actually getting very good, if not brilliant DIRECTORS to get their movies off the ground. They have Nolan obviously, who is probably the best filmmaker of his generation. Zack Snyder also does have a very unique style, and according to the footage of MoS it seems like Snyder is going to deliver. And I am sure that DC/ Warner will keep that in the future. They will search up and low for good directors, leaving them mostly free hand. Because only with free hand a skilled director can pull out his full creative genius. DC knows that!

(They failed with Green Lantern, but I guess that was because they did not care very much for the character. Batman and Superman are their crown jewels, after tasting Nolans goodness DC/ Warner will never again give those two properties into bad hands). In the future DC will put quality over quantity. They have learned their lesson.

Marvel on the other hand...eww, not so much. They basically get hacks to direct their movies. Marvel Studios exes, most importantly that fat ugly asshat called FEIGE, is pushing arround their directors like toys. Marvel and Feige are basically saying in every production:

" You do it this way, you do it that way. No Mr...(Directors Name)...dont come up with any ideas. WE ARE MARVEL - We know what to do, we know how to please fans."

While that might be true, knowing how to please fans by including all that sneaky easter eggs, they always end up with movies that appear as unbelievable MEDIOCRE to the General Audience, to put it nicely.

Marvel Studios is making movies just for ComicBook fans.

Nolans Batman, Snyders Superman, Webbs Spider-Man, Vaughns X-Men...those are for EVERYONE to enjoy equally.

A director is the maker of a film. He is responsable for what the film is and what it is not.

Good studios understand that. And many Hollywood directors with big names, or younger creative ones can do best if they do it THEIR way.

Of course studios KNOW that they dont have to interfere with names like SPIELBERG, JACKSON, SCOTT, CAMERON, FINCHER and TARANTINO. But that is also because they WOULDNT let the studio interfere. If a studio would try to interfere with them they would tell the studio to go [frick] themselves.

Thats why such big directors will never direct a Marvel film. They dont need to put their talent under the "godly" direction of Marvel Studios.

What do you think why Jon Favreau left? Yeah, he said he wanted to do something else, but really....we all know it was because Marvel Studios was touching his ass during the whole production of Iron Man 2. Thats why it ended up beeing so bad.

About Branagh and Thor: Branagh is a good director. He delieverd an "okay film" which still could have been so MUCH better. It was astoundingly uninspired and safe. He is not returning because Marvel didnt have let him make the movie he wanted to make. Thats for sure. He was praising the production in interviews...but jeez...what else could he say?

Johnston and Cap: Well, Johnston is not too good as an director to begin with, but he is still a very crafty dude. He might not be the greatest story teller, but he knows his stuff. However, good for Marvel Studios that Johnston has some "hack-genes" in himself naturally, making him an director who is comparably easy to push arround. Captain America is probably the most disappointing film in the MCU to date. While Iron Man 2 reamains the worst, Captain America ended up as an generic cheese fest, featuring weak characterization of almost every leading figure, a astoundingly cheap storyline, not a single scene which could be called memorable and last but not least a bland overall look and tone which led to the lamest action scenes ever to be seen in a big budget CBM. All that is such a shame, because Cap really deserved an good FIRST major movie outing.

Joss Whedon and The Avengers: Yes, the movie was good. But I really think the reason why it ended up quite good is that they let Joss Whedon write story and screenplay. Dude knows how to have characters interact with each other in an entertaining way. The production on the other hand...in some interviews Whedon gave slight hints about that he didnt feel so comfortable during the production. And we all know why: Feige was holding Whedons dick in steel-claws.

I mean, seriously, box office over 1 Billion, third highest grossing film of all time...and he is NOT SURE about returning? Obviously something went wrong.

But it gets worse:

While I admit that Shane Black seems like a quite decent choice for Iron Man 3, it only gets worse from here. Alan Taylor to helm Thor 2. Really Marvel? A mediocre TV director...Meh. But here comes the bummer: Russo Brothers for Cap 2!!! When they were announced I didnt even know them! I had to google them.

Sure, I cant judge them before seeing their movies, but the thing that really makes me mad at Marvel is this:

Its like they re not EVEN TRYING anymore to get a good director. They just go for hacks who wont come up with their own ideas because they are too shy and unexperienced. Marvel WANTS to push arround their directors. Marvel Studios WANTS to make the movies by themselves, they hire alibi directors who dont acctually direct the movie. Marvel does. Feige does.

They always go for the same formula, ending up mediocre.While hardcore Marvelites who suck the last drop of semen out of Feiges dick obviously love it and praise it as the best things ever happened, the General Audience will most definatly eventually figure out that Marvel Studios is delievering fast food which makes an uncomfortable feeling in the stomach.

When that day comes, and it will come, and DC is making just a FEW good movies then, the whole thing could turn to DC!

At the very least Marvel Studios should do it like Sony and FOX with their Marvel properties. Keep it very safe and marketable, yet leave the director a bit free reign. The Amazing Spider-Man for example had more heart then any Marvel Studios movie combined.

But that wont happen. Marvel thinks they know exactly what fans want. They are wrong. They know what Marvelites want. Genreal Audience will punish them sooner or later. Mark my words.

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GOTG
GOTG - 7/16/2012, 12:17 PM
dude we know ur a nolanite no one wants to listen to ur BS when u cant appreciate marvel studios u DC loving, nolanite who lives in his moms basement
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 7/16/2012, 12:20 PM
I do agree that Thor, Cap and Iron Man 2 were all let downs, but I wish you had some more in the way of facts in your claims about how the directors felt about their Marvel experiences. Can't blame them for wanting to have control of their products since these movies are their #1 business right now. I agree that they are making movies for comic fans, but I do think that they have the casual fan in mind. They throw a lot of easter eggs in there for the fans, but if you don't know about the characters it doesn't impact the story at all. I'm sure they are going to hit a wall eventually. I would put my guess on Guardians of the Galaxy, but that's just me. Depends on how they market it. I could see that turning into a John Carter situation. Also, it's hard to say that Warner Bros. is going to make better decisions about directors. Sure Nolan was perfect and it does seem like Zack Snyder is going to do a good job with Superman, but who knows what they are going to do in the future.
GreenHalJordan
GreenHalJordan - 7/16/2012, 12:37 PM
I am not a NOLANITE, however I am a DC who does look up to Nolan. Although I think that DC will get the edge back eventually, I DO think that Marvel definitely makes AMAZING CBM'S. Very close to source material with a mix of many aspects with a wide variety of audiences. Either way, we ALL win because DC and Marvel are going to do amazing movies from here on out (like they have, MOSTLY, been doing)
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/16/2012, 12:37 PM
HERE WE GO
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/16/2012, 12:38 PM
I just wonder what they're going to do once Phase 2 is out of the way
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 7/16/2012, 12:39 PM
Phase 3
Berger45
Berger45 - 7/16/2012, 1:00 PM
First off, of course Marvel makes mistakes so does DC. It's the hope that drives us. Marvel got their stuff together, but we'll see what happens now that Batman ends and a new era begins at WB:

Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 7/16/2012, 1:02 PM
I agree with most of what u Say....But u should not play down what Marvel have achieved....Nolans films have set the bar so high.....Marvel movies have looked at this REALISTIC formula and have improved on what they r doing now. I am a Bigger DC fan than Marvel.....for me its a win win for a comic book fan. I do say 1 thing that MOS will rule next summer and the bar will b Higher!!!
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 7/16/2012, 1:04 PM
Also TAS has tried to use The Dark/Realistic Formula!
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 7/16/2012, 1:10 PM
Now DC r looking at Marvel 'Avengers' and trying to do a JLA movie....so its good for all FANS. I will knock people when they say DC is SHIT or Vise Versa. Remember more CBM r good every year I will b getting them all on Blu-Ray. I'm happy that my FAVORITE Character SUPERMAN is finally getting made the way we have asked for years.

Remember it good to have a debate but give credit when due!!!
webslinger84
webslinger84 - 7/16/2012, 2:16 PM
This sounds like a DC fanboy hating on Marvel. Yes Green Lantern was a disappointment, but you forget so was Superman Returns and who's bright idea was it to make a horrible Jonah Hex ahead of Flash or one of their more known characters. Don't blame Marvel because they're ahead of the curve without even owning all the movie rights to their own characters. DC has some catching up to do and stop relying solely on Batman to be their moneymaker. Hopefully Superman MAN OF STEEL will lead to a Justice League movie and bigger and better things from DC, until then appreciate Marvel for laying down the blueprint for how DC should do things.
Zarog
Zarog - 7/16/2012, 2:23 PM
Saw the title: LOL'ed.
Read article: Lol'ed even harder.

First problem, you named Snyder and Nolan for films based off superheroes. Let's expand going back to 2004 for DCU (excluding Watchmen, because it's a one-off and not really canon within the DCU mythos) characters only. The films in order were Catowman, Batman Begins, Superman Returns, The Dark Knight, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, and the forthcoming titles of The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel.

Let's start with Catwoman from Jean-Christophe Comar. Yeah, casting Halle Berry, and that script. Wonderful dude. Except that it is widely considered amongst the 10 worst CBMs EVER MADE!

Batman Begins was awesome. 'Nuff said.

Superman Returns from Bryan Singer had one of the worst script ideas ever. WB manhandled Singer into making a really BAD movie.

TDK = awesome.

Jonah Hex directed by Jimmy Hayward was actually the worst film I think I've ever seen. I'm not joking. It was disgustingly terrible. Casting Megan Fox who can't act, along with a terrible screenplay, bad effects, and terrible directing, it became the epic fail of CBMs.

Green Lantern......Box Office numbers coupled with critical and fan reaction tells me it was the worst CBM of 2011. Yeah..... DC is gonna kill Marvel.

Also, GTFO troll. We all know you're the super douche that comes in and rags on comic books and the people that enjoy them. I seriously hope you get permabanned for putting up garbage like this.
Iceman01
Iceman01 - 7/16/2012, 2:31 PM
Haha I love D-Bags
comiccow6
comiccow6 - 7/16/2012, 3:04 PM
That's why Marvel is winning. They make the movie for the fans, and that the fans want to see. Not what the almighty Nolan commands.
StormLoganSummers
StormLoganSummers - 7/16/2012, 3:06 PM
There's a greater chance that I'd turn into Jesus Christ himself than DC "getting its edge back."
MrReese
MrReese - 7/16/2012, 3:58 PM
Haha really?? I mean who the [frick] cares who does better?? Nolan is a beast at what he does.Success comes with Haters....point blank.That's when u know ur successful,ppl hating on u 4 no [frick]ing reason.U think Nolan gives 2 shit what we think.Marvel films will continue 2 keep coming & hopefully they keep getting better.My only problem with Marvel is after RDJ they're gonna "James Bond" him.I personally don't think that'll sit well with others especially since he boosted this whole thing.Ppl really need 2 stop bickering over little shit & just enjoy the [frick]ing films.
MrReese
MrReese - 7/16/2012, 4:17 PM
In other news Breaking Bad last season just started & Mr.White looks like hes gonna be much more of a bad ass XD

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ALL HAIL THE KING!! XD
DarkGrifter
DarkGrifter - 7/16/2012, 4:38 PM
Whilst I disagree with some of what's been said in this article, I don’t understand why people think it's so ridiculous that once DC has released a Justice League movie along with its solo movies that the attention won't turn to them? Let's say hypothetically that DC goes on to produce 3 or 4 good solo films all tied in with one another, why is it so hard to believe that their popularity could arise higher than Marvel? Especially after Phase 2 is completed, I can’t imagine Marvel will be consistently churning out films continuously for the next decade or so. The Avengers line up wasn’t filled with A-list heroes but that’s all changed now thanks to their exposure on the big screen, who’s to say the same can’t happen with DC’s lesser known heroes? The general audience aren’t loyal to a particular company so they’ll quite happily go see a comic book movie regardless of which company the character is from because they aren’t a bunch of fanboys/girls.
cnashford2
cnashford2 - 7/16/2012, 4:52 PM
Wow, you used so EXTREME language, but I love that someone agrees with me about Marvel movies sometimes lacking heart. I watched them and enjoyed some and hated others, but Iron Man 2, Thor, and Cap did not resonate with me. Avengers was only good because of Whedon's ability to make great ensemble pieces.
superotherside
superotherside - 7/16/2012, 4:58 PM
Thor was "uninspired and safe"? No one thought a Thor movie would work. Most thought it would fail... same with Iron Man, and Cap. Even the Avengers!

Seriously, I like both Marvel and DC but when you talk about "uninspired and safe" I don't think of Marvel. I think of DC. Why? Because their only good movies have been Superman and Batman. That's it. Everything else has been a financial and critical failure. Marvel on the other hand has been both a financial and critical success in all of their films. It is true Incredible Hulk didn't performe at the box office as well as it should have, but they still made it over budget. So yeah.

I hope DC does great movies. I hope Marvel continues to do great movies. If you don't like any of the Marvel films then aren't you a bit biased in the first place?

Seriously, this video says it better than I could.

justified1
justified1 - 7/16/2012, 5:06 PM
Didn't read. Marvel own's.

The Fire Rises!
BlazinTexan
BlazinTexan - 7/16/2012, 6:10 PM
Reading this actually made me have to take a dump.
lnTylerWeTrust
lnTylerWeTrust - 7/16/2012, 7:32 PM
So what you are saying is the general audience can't enjoy the same thing CBM fans do? I kind of see what you are trying to say but you lost me at saying that marvel Studio movies are the worst CBMs ever. That is just plain ignorant. Oh and if DC ever does catch up, its going to be a long time
HulkbusterNYC
HulkbusterNYC - 7/16/2012, 8:21 PM
lol i love the title of this article.. "Marvel's misdoings! Why DC/WB will win the edge back eventually"

Seriously, you are the definition of a troll. All you did was whine the whole time in this article. You didn't prove anything here but showing us how much of an idiot you really are. Everything you said is pure opinion and not very well thought out. Marvel is making WAY better films than DC right now. It's a fact. Aside from Nolan's Batman trilogy DC has nothing. MOS better be really good or we'll never get anything but Batman ever again from them.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/16/2012, 8:40 PM
Will idiots stop with Nolanite/marvelite shit? The guy cant have an opinion? I dont agree with him either, but so what?

You guys that constantly spout that bullshit every time someone makes a mention of DC or Marvel are seriously bringing the site down. What are you guys, 12?
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 7/16/2012, 8:52 PM
Yeah ok.

I want DC to have an edge too. They actually have the ability to take the CBM genre back, considering they have all their eggs in one basket, but they don't.

I've said this over and over again, and I know it sounds like I'm raving, but it is happening. There is not a single corporate bookstore in Tampa, FL, apart from Barnes and Noble. I hate B&N, as they're more inclined to sell board games and toys than books, and clearly I'm against the notion that we should all turn to a corporate bookstore for our reading materials. HOWEVER, independent stores like Book Swap, Mojo Books & Music, and Inkwood Books... well they aren't as popular or accessible to the general public. B&N has the monopoly, and they have a HORRIBLE selection.

So back to this crazy article....
suppose DC/WB had the monopoly, what would they do with it? Would they give us a better GL? My dream of a Martian Manhunter movie on Mars? Would we see Wonder Woman in all of her glory? You tell me.

Batman and Superman are the money-makers of DC. You're not going to get a bigger variety than those two until some drastic changes take place, and DC starts emulating Marvel.
Ghostt
Ghostt - 7/16/2012, 9:03 PM
I didn't like the tone of your article. That part deserves some of they hate you are receiving.

However, your points about Marvel upsetting Directors is probably right on. Marvel has a vision and they don't want the director to stray from that. In many cases it works and they have all benefitted from it, however, they do tend to play it safe. CAPTFA, while a decent movie, was also a boring movie. It is concerning to see the Russo brothers instead of someone of Doug Liman's (of Bourne identity) caliber directing this.

What you cannot deny is that they had an awesome plan, stuck with it, and the result was golden. Now the yhave another plan, and the masses are stoked. Warner/DC have no plan.
xcrementus
xcrementus - 7/17/2012, 3:24 AM
I've got a problem with you calling Marvel directors "hacks".

Alan Taylor's a mediocre director? Do you even watch Game of Thrones? Or even Boardwalk Empire?
Kenneth Branaugh: He made two of the best adaptations of Shakespeare EVER. period.
Joe Johnston? Rocketeer!! October Sky! and he did a lot of work on Indiana Jones. 1940's period piece veteran.
Jon Favreau? SWINGERS!! His style of talky comedy would totally not work with Robert Downey Jr. oh wait, it did. Massively.
Russo brothers made Arrested Development & Community episodes. Two of the alltime best comedies ever made. And Welcome to Collinwood which kicked ass.
Shane Black is an utter champion.
In what universe do you call any of these people hacks? They're chosen both because of prior directing experience, and a willingness to work as a collegiate with other directors. You sir, are a hack.
ElBicho
ElBicho - 7/17/2012, 7:33 AM
@xcrementus

Couldn't agree more!
xcrementus
xcrementus - 7/17/2012, 8:07 AM
Events ultimately led to a time where Kenneth Branagh, Jon Favrea, Joe Johnston and Joss Whedon are in a room, together, talking about superheroes. NEVER in their LIVES did any one of those guys think that would ever happen to them lol.
Coldblood6
Coldblood6 - 7/17/2012, 8:56 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Someone give the BUTTHURT DC fanbhoy some extra-strength Preparation H ASAP!!!

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