Of Man of Steel, The Avengers & A Sea of Spoilers

Of Man of Steel, The Avengers & A Sea of Spoilers

How much information is too much information when it comes to the production of a highly-anticipated film? It’s a question that has no doubt been raised over the past month or so with intensive online coverage of two Comic Book Movies that are currently in production: Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel and Joss Whedon’s The Avengers.

Editorial Opinion
By EdGross - Sep 12, 2011 07:09 PM EST
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Take a look back over the past couple of weeks, and you’ll find almost daily video and photographic reports covering the on location production of both films, whether it be actor Chris Hemsworth flipping over a car with the wave of Thor’s hammer, or Henry Cavill’s Superman – sometimes with a cape, sometimes without –in action in “Smallville”.



Michael Shannon, the new General Zod in Man of Steel, actually verbalized the point, musing to one journalist, “It is surprising that people are snapping photos and stuff and then putting them on the Internet. For me, it’s like, ‘Why would you want to do that?’ It would be like knowing what your Christmas presents were before Christmas morning. It is taking all of the fun out of it.”

Of course, for anyone who has had the Internet as a presence throughout their life, this kind of all-pervasive coverage seems like a natural progression; the logical next step in a virtual world where scoops, sneak peeks and presenting precisely what the studios DON’T want out there in this raw shape is what it’s all about. Hell, there are many times where I find myself looking despite my determination not to do so, so I absolutely understand the temptation. At the same time, there’s something about Michael Shannon’s words that struck a chord with me.



When I was a kid, there was no Internet. There was no TMZ, no photographers or videographers with super-telephoto lenses that managed to capture even the best efforts to keep a production under wraps. Frankly, there were very few ways for genre fans to find out about films in production besides an errant item in a print newspaper, a new movie trailer or a poster in a theatre lobby heralding a new production of interest was coming. On a personal level, I can still remember the unbelievable excitement I felt when I unexpectedly saw the trailer for a new James Bond or Planet of the Apes film, having had no idea that there was one coming.

There were some exceptions, of course. In the 1960s we’d pick up the latest issue of the magazines Famous Monsters of Filmland or Castle of Frankenstein, where we’d get genre news or interviews with filmmakers. The early ‘70s saw the debut of Cinefantastique (truly one of the most innovative of the magazines published) and even a tabloid newspaper, The Monster Times, which was published every other week. This Brooklyn, New York native couldn’t wait until that Monday or Tuesday morning when he could run across the street to the newsstand where, sitting on the rack next to The New York Times, Daily News and New York Post would be TMT. Unlike today where one site after another presents virtually the same coverage of the same news, each of them offered their own unique take and focus of interest, providing different tidbits which, all told, served as powerful previews of what was to come.



The next step came in 1976 with the debut of Starlog magazine, which, for anyone who followed the genre at that time just before the launch of Star Wars and beyond, was an incredible breath of fresh air, going, month after month, behind the scenes on various films, television shows and books. To this day I remember being in a store in Yaphank, New York and seeing Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock and the eclipse behind them adorning the cover of Starlog #1. It felt like my world had been rocked in the very best possible way (which would be brought to its zenith about a decade later when I found myself a regular contributor to the mag, eventually being given the title of East Coast Correspondent).

And to provide a sense of what a lifeline a magazine like Starlog was, I find myself thinking back to the late 1970s when Star Trek: The Motion Picture was in production. Fans of the show that refused to die were DESPERATE for any information on the film, and in one particular issue of Starlog - which had begun a column called “The Star Trek Report” – there was a single black and white image shot on the bridge of the new starship Enterprise. It was mostly covered by a drop cloth….MOSTLY. In that pic we managed to see a bit of the console and one of its small, circular screens . That was it and yet it felt like the ultimate gift because it served as undeniable proof that Star Trek was going to live again. Like I said, it was just a piece of a console, yet somehow it seemed to be enough.



I obviously recognize that all of this musing for the way things used to be merely makes me sound like a dinosaur; someone who doesn’t want to embrace the final frontier the Internet offers, but nothing could be further from the truth. As a lover of all of this stuff I can’t help but feel that as much as we’ve gained, we’ve also lost a little something. Hollywood at its best has always been about creating magic; about making the impossible somehow seem real, but more and more it feels as though filmmakers are being denied the opportunity to pull off feats of wonder. The magicians’ secrets are being revealed before they even get to the stage with widespread judgments of films being made, in some cases, YEARS before they even make it to the screen.

But let’s face it: Pandora’s Box has been opened, the genie is out of the bottle, the Delorean has hit 88 miles per hour and there’s no turning back. So I suppose all of this has been an ode to innocence lost and the hope that a little of it can somehow be restored, though it's not very likely.

What’s your feeling about all of this? Do you agree with Michael Shannon and this editorial, or are both completely off-base? Please sound off below.
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EdGross
EdGross - 9/12/2011, 7:36 PM
Can you elaborate on that?
Mfahey
Mfahey - 9/12/2011, 7:39 PM
Whats the point of a highly anticipated film if it's overlly spoiled? I mean, I love iron man and probably would have liked if more if I didn't see and spoilers/previews and just went into the movie theatre not knowing what to expect
soberchimera
soberchimera - 9/12/2011, 7:44 PM
Damn I was looking forward to see some spoilers.
SteveScotland
SteveScotland - 9/12/2011, 7:46 PM
i agree actually. i like to know bits and pieces like cameos and stuff. but story related content or spoilerish pics or script leaks dont interest me. i remember the days when looking at the posters in the cinema was the only way to tell what was comin out or the odd tv spot. now u can go into see somethin and know it word for word before it even starts.
StarkRaving
StarkRaving - 9/12/2011, 7:47 PM
I love spoilers. It spreads out the enjoyment I have for a film that I've been anticipating. True, they may spoil some surprises, but I'm more than compensated by the fun I have in discovering and discussing the spoilers.
AlibiBreakfast
AlibiBreakfast - 9/12/2011, 7:50 PM
@CloneKev Very well said!
MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 9/12/2011, 7:57 PM
Thor and Cap! Dancing in the streets!
ElBicho
ElBicho - 9/12/2011, 8:03 PM
Don't want to be spoiled, don't read the spoilers.

Better yet, stay off of the internet and stay out of comic shops.

Better still, bury your head in the sand until May 4, 2012 and then again until June 14, 2013...
MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 9/12/2011, 8:04 PM
I still have a couple Starlogs and some Famous Monsters
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 9/12/2011, 8:20 PM
I have becomes o addicted that i hunger for any info on these movies like any really big fan, but you make a great point. Ia ctually thought about the trailer thing a few days ago, how even though I still get excited over trailers intheaters, when you've already seen them online or know there coming, you lose that element of suprise that made trailers so awesome for me before. Great article!!!!!
patriautism
patriautism - 9/12/2011, 8:26 PM
They don't spoil anything for me.. Knowing the films ending before the film that is a spoiler. Set pictures are just anticipation builders.
Jimdlux
Jimdlux - 9/12/2011, 8:29 PM
God I hate that costume...
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 9/12/2011, 8:29 PM
I hate spoilers, but I've watched all the TDKR and AVENGER footage without blinking. I guess I really don't see any of it as spoilers.

The Batwing or Catwoman are things I'd see in a trailer months before the film comes out. I don't know anything about the story, and that's where I shy away from spoilers; if it gives up an important detail, event or plot point.

MARVEL is pretty good with honoring things from the comics, so there's very little to be spoiled. We can guess about the villains and what might happen and we'd probably hit more than miss because we know the stories and characters. There's a certain level of magic taken away with seeing THOR standing around in a robe on the set, and I usually dont like behind-the-scenes stuff until AFTER i've seen a film, but my anticipation for the film has not been deminished because of leaked footage.
revjordan
revjordan - 9/12/2011, 8:33 PM
I'm glad you wrote this. Is it so hard to put a thumbnail of the Avengers symbol or some officially released pic. Then title the article something like "Fan shots of Avengers Set Reveal Baddies" with a subtitle of "MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD" instead of a thumbnail or front page splash of the fan shot of a mo cap suit with gun and a title of "ALIENS IN AVENGERS"

Find an old scan from a comic with Supes in a weird outfit put that up and title it "SET PHOTOS REVEAL SUPERMAN'S NEW COSTUME! Pics after the link."

It's totally cool if you all want to know and I wouldn't want that option taken away from you. I'd just like the choice that I'm told I can make.
LP4
LP4 - 9/12/2011, 8:47 PM
@Bastard- I couldn't agree more with you on every single point you made.

And I'd say- Routh and Welling were the worst things to happen to Superman over the past 10 years.
SuperSpiderMan5778
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 9/12/2011, 8:49 PM
ok so no spoilers of MOS or Avengers??? this article blows. fooled again.
FriendlyNeighborhoodSpidey
FriendlyNeighborhoodSpidey - 9/12/2011, 8:54 PM
I completely agree. However, I must admit, I have almost no self control when it comes to looking at spoilers lol. Heck, I thought this article was actually going to be more spoilers, not an article about it lol. But seriously, I wish there wouldn't be so many spoilers. I can't help myself. I look at them. :D
SKOne
SKOne - 9/12/2011, 9:06 PM
You can look at a thousand pictures of a movie before it comes out and still know nothing. How much real info did we have before Captain America came out. There is so much b.s. posted on here in the scoops section and so much is done in film post production that spoilers shouldn't be a big deal. But hey, if you don't want to see it, don't look.
HavocT
HavocT - 9/12/2011, 9:10 PM
I've been ignoring all the new news with TMI. I want to be surprised. If we had news sites like this when Star Wars came out, we'd probably know who his father was before it all started.
User1134
User1134 - 9/12/2011, 9:17 PM
I Remember When You got surprised By Going To A movie,These Days,they Show All Their Cards Way Too Soon.
ASSASSIN666
ASSASSIN666 - 9/12/2011, 9:20 PM
Ed - This article was a long time coming! being from the old school I find most times the Internet does more harm than good. I think of it like a trailer that shows every action scene in an upcoming film only to ruin any surprise once you're in the theatre. Very glad you wrote it, some of these younger generation have no sense of mystery to them. I also find the music industry suffers the same fate. Gone are the days of imagination, now in the too much information age we all know what everyone ate for lunch.
localman
localman - 9/12/2011, 9:22 PM
Too many spoilers get out. I would much rather have the Director and the Studio choose how much of the film is released before opening. In some cases, building the suspense is key to the enjoyment of the film.

I will never forget the great publicity campaigns for Close Encounters of the Third Kind, or Alien, specifically because they showed almost nothing of the film. Close Encounters seemed like some kind of horror film from the posters, and the previews revealed almost nothing of the film. Alien was just scary as hell with that great slogan, "In space, no one can hear you scream." But there is no way those campaigns could happen today.
grandizer74
grandizer74 - 9/12/2011, 9:33 PM
hate spoilers. what's more, I think the people that like them have serious issues. I'd be more than happy if joshwilding and nailbiter had their internet cut off forever so they'd stop posting things to the main page that contain pics or things in the headline. I've had to consider not coming here anymore.
Superman8
Superman8 - 9/12/2011, 9:36 PM
again with the Routh haters. Anthony Hopkins couldn't have made a good movie with that story. What did you expect him to do? He had to work with what he had. I'm not saying he is a great actor or the best Superman, but really, what do you expect him to do? He reads whats on teh page and does what the director tells him to do. If he was boring and stiff and showed no emotion it was because the story didnt allow him to do that. it wasnt like he wrote the script for Superman Returns.
CaptainAmerica1945
CaptainAmerica1945 - 9/12/2011, 9:45 PM
Ahhh I remember Starlog! A great magazine for its time.
SageMode
SageMode - 9/12/2011, 9:46 PM
Im like this.........If you wanna see the spoiler...fine....if not....avoid it and dont complain about it
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 9/12/2011, 10:12 PM
I, for one, don't mind a few spoilers. They don't actually reveal much in the long run and are often misinterpreted (if you doubt that, then you must be new to this site). On the plus side, they help me to guage whether or not I want to see a movie or not.
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 9/12/2011, 10:13 PM
And yes, Cavill's suit looks like crap. Sorry LP4, I know you like it, but seriously....
parascythe
parascythe - 9/12/2011, 10:39 PM
well imho presents are given free but we got to buys tickets for watching movies...a peek, spoilers and other rumors and photos and stuff are inevitable nowadays.

sometimes the good thing about this is you got to have glimpse of what you are paying for and at the same time it's like involving yourself to the production itself. you react when they do this and not that, you celebrate when they did a good job and dont care if you feel not to.

I guess its still kinda healthy involving yourself on things like this. its like a head start before the teaser trailer comes out...

And its also a way where fan boys can be heard by the film makers.

what ya think ei?
thewolfx
thewolfx - 9/12/2011, 11:19 PM
@BASTARD


really? cavills suit is perfect really????


so that trainwreck around his waist is perfect? did i forget to mention he stole wonderwomans bracelets


...i rest my case .
Orehrepus
Orehrepus - 9/13/2011, 3:18 AM
I'M BACK!

You know why? Because I just watched Captain FRICKING America last weekend! Yes! CBM are back in my country!

That being said, there are spoilers and there are spoilers. I mean, what Superman costume looks like or how tall the Lizard is might be spoilers to some and not to others.

To me, they're not. To me, only the storyline could be spoiled, so I don't mind seeing pics and vids, but I'm being careful reading interviews.

However, I think people like me (and Elguason?) are the majority. So I'm guessing that's what studios and producers are thinking as well. They don't mind pictures and videos being shown to a certain degree, but they are giving limitations to what cast and crew may say to the press. So I guess, and so far it is proven to be true, that it's safe to read interviews.

I miss you all, guys. Even the trolls.
Elguason, thanks for the cute pic. I miss those, too.
But, most of all, I miss Teabag and his boobs collection. LOL!
Orehrepus
Orehrepus - 9/13/2011, 3:34 AM
"and his suit looked like a cheap Halloween costume"
@Bastard: How old are you? I'm guessing mid twenties to early thirties at the max?
CaptainPresley
CaptainPresley - 9/13/2011, 3:45 AM
Great article! I still have that first issue of Starlog. A great time to be a kid. But with all the CBM's and Sci Fi movies, this is a good time to be a grown up kid.
Orphix
Orphix - 9/13/2011, 3:58 AM
I am of an age when I remember all the fuss about Empire Strikes back and Darth Vader saying "I am your father".

Totally mind blowing and totally because no one saw it coming. Even when word got out after people had seen the film everyone else was never sure they believed it!

Unfortunately those days have gone. I try an limit what I see and read on here but it is hard. But I totally except it is a question of having more self-discipline. But I feel that even trailers show WAY too much!

@CloneKev - I couldn't disagree more. Judging a film on it's own merits is about watching it completely fresh, without and preconcieved ideas. Spoilers just ruin that and it always amazing me how many people on here still think that critising a film before you have seen it is acceptable.
EdGross
EdGross - 9/13/2011, 4:20 AM
CaptainPresley, I couldn't agree more!
marvel72
marvel72 - 9/13/2011, 4:26 AM
@ edgross

cool article,i remember them days getting all the film mags starburst,film reveiw,starlog & fangoria just to pictures of your favorite upcoming movies.it was a time when the only way to see a film trailer was at the cinema.

the fond memories i have.
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