Why Television is a better medium for Comic Book Adaptations than Cinema

Why Television is a better medium for Comic Book Adaptations than Cinema

For many years cinema was seen to outclass television in terms of production values, effects, acting talent and scripting. But in recent years series like Heroes, Game Of Thrones and Breaking Bad have thrown down the gauntlet and have surpassed many big screen ventures in these areas; but why is this good news for comic fans in particular?

Editorial Opinion
By Parkerluckpersonified - Jun 09, 2014 11:06 AM EST
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Obviously I am a fan of comic books and many of the movies based on them, otherwise why would I spend a rather large amount of time checking this site for news? But often I am left a little disheartened by the treatment of characters in these movies. I am a Spider-man fan in particular and would highlight characters like Raimi's Venom and Webb's Goblin as examples of characters who are simply not given enough time to develop or become a real threat.

The threat of Venom, as I have always viewed it, stemmed from his knowledge of Spider-man's identity; he can stalk Peter and threatens MJ in a home invasion. This alongside Venom's ability to dodge the Spider-sense meant that Venom could strike anyone at any time. I vividly recall a moment in the 90s cartoon when he turned up during one of Peter and MJ's dates, Peter was unable to warn her without revealing his identity. It was tense. His threat becomes far more real with this element added. In the film though Venom became very one dimensional, he became just another villain to kidnap MJ and hang a big 'I'm Here come hit me!' sign above his head. But how can this be improved and the true menace of Venom be established when Venom and the preceding black suit saga must share two hours of screen time?

Imagine instead Spider-man had been a live action tv show rather than a movie. Imagine that Spider-man Season 2 had built up to teh point where (a more developed) Doc Oc has just drowned to sink his glowy sunny thingy and Peter had just decided that he and MJ should never be together; she should marry John Jameson. Season3: Peter finds and wears the Black suit. Cut off from the woman he loves, estranged from harry this season takes adarker path that sees Pete sleeping with the black cat and ignoring her illegal actions, destroying Eddie Brock and culminates in him nearly killing someone. Pete ditches the suit in the finale. Season 4 sees Peter stalked and tormented by Venom, with the mystery of who he is and what he can do being slowly revealed as he systematically destroys Pete's life.

This approach would have presented a much truer version of the character.

Let us look at the Arrow approach: Rather than rushing Oliver's origin story into 20mins at the start of a movie a la Man of Steel we have watched two simlutaneous transformations of the character, one on the island; one after his return to Starling City. Neither arc is rushed, Ollies has gone from Douche, to Survivor, to Soldier, to Vigilante, to Hood, to Arrow in his climb to becoming the Green Arrow. This is definitely preferable to something like the Green Lantern movie (which i quite enjoyed) where we get Douche to GREATEST GREEN LANTERN EVER!!!!!!!

Deathstroke however provides a better comparison to our Venom example. For a season and a half on the island we see his character develop. We see his and Oliver's characters develop and we gain insight into their relationship. That's grand but even better is the way the television format allows his threat to develop. Slade reappears in Starling City and is able to attack Ollie from the Shadowsthanks to his insight into Ollie's true identity. He is able to walk casually into his home just to show Ollie he has power over him. He is able to invite Thea into his car when he wants to kidnap her just because Oliver cannot tell her why he is a threat. He can take away Queen Consolidated and kill Moira. He can build to his final confrontation.

This is all made possible by the episodic nature of television. It seems obvious that with comics following a similar episodic template that this is the best way to adapt the stories yet it remains the path less travelled. Why do we love shows like Young Justice and Spectacular Spider-man? Because they use the medium to its full potential, developing characters and using plot arcs usually reserved for more mature television. If Marvel and more prominantly DC continue to exercise the medium with great shows like Arrow and the upcoming Flash and Constantine I think we will see more and more exciting takes on the development of beloved characters.

So how could cinema compete? Well lets face financially they don't have to worry about it but I'm shooting for an ideal world where the executives want to do the characters/stories justice. For me the solution is multi-picture deals not only for actors but for writers/ directors giving them the security to plan ahead and extend the stories over a series of films. Imagine right now that Webb is given a three-picture extension on his contract. Imagine teh stories that open up- Venom done right, parts of the clone saga with a gradual return for a not-so-dead osbourne, Kraven's last hunt, the master planner. All these stories that cannot really be done in one film become instantly accessible.

Iron Man could see tony descend into alcoholism, Rhodes take over for a film, and then Tony redeem himself. The X-men could build up to Apocalypse with a Mr Sinister story, a movie attempting to halt his rise and then maybe one based on the Age of Apocalypse.

This is the direction we may well be heading in with so many loose ends left open after the Winter Soldier but I'd like to see things a bit more official.

What do you think, should writers and directors be given guarrantee of long term employment to provide them with a license to dictate the pace and creativity of their films? Sound Off :-)
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CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 6/9/2014, 12:04 PM
There's one big reason why Movies are better.
Budget.

Do you know how expensive it would be for every episode to have CGI Spidey flying around NYC, with Doc Ock's tentacles. CGI venom. It's just not practical for TV.

While CGI on TV is getting better (Flash, Constantine more recent examples) I think characters like Iron Man, Spiderman, Hulk and Thor etc can ony be on Film.

While TV is a better place for lengthier character development and time isn't really an issue, since actors doing a film so many years apart means they're getting older and therefore less time to play a very active character.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 6/9/2014, 12:06 PM
Always been a advocate of t.v. shows for most comic book characters. It depends on the characters. For Batman, Green Arrow, Dare Devil,& Blade, those are the characters that would benefit greatly for t.v. Instead of getting 2 hrs every 2 or 3 years we can get between 10 or 20 hours a year depending on what network it airs.

I know most characters would benefit from movie more because of how expensive it would be to make them like Green Lantern, Superman, GOTG, X-Men.

I just wish some studios would do both t.v. and movies for a character. Like have 2 season of a show and then end the season with a movie like every 2 seasons. I would like to see that. That way we get character development the most and can have them do more expensive stuff with the movie without having to lose what is going on previously in the t.v. show.
CommanderShepard
CommanderShepard - 6/9/2014, 12:22 PM
I like a mix of both TV and Cinema. TV is much slower and more intimate in its story telling, while Movies have a bigger budget and better CGI/effects.

I support a large Cinematic Universe that utilizes both for DC and Marvel.
Klone
Klone - 6/9/2014, 12:38 PM
Yes... and animated television is far better than live action television for CB adaptions.
BATMANx
BATMANx - 6/9/2014, 1:57 PM
Another great Story Came from BATMAN TAS. The Two-face orgin was amazing and the X-men 90s cartoon
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/9/2014, 3:25 PM
You know, you say this, yet Arrow is the only comic book based tv show I have ever liked. I haven't had a chance to watch Agents of Shield yet, but all the others have been garbage to me.
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 6/9/2014, 3:26 PM
I'm starting to see TV become more essential to character and development then ever before. With more big name actors doing TV nowadays it will be soon that we start to see big name characters have tv shows.
For certain characters their should be a mix of TV and Cinema to fully flesh out and develop the character we all love. If Spider-Man had a TV show we would never get rushed villains in the movies that are in and out in 15 min.

For every 2-3 seasons they come out with a movie all in the same universe. The future of TV.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 6/9/2014, 7:11 PM
If budget was not an issue, I think a lot of characters would be better suited to the long-form storytelling of television. IMO, Spectacular Spider-man outshines all of the Spider-man movies except for Raimi's first partially because it allows us to see Peter's day to day life. Hopefully as it gets more affordable to pull off decent looking effects, it will be possible to do series based on characters we couldn't imagine with a tv series right now.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 6/9/2014, 7:18 PM
No. If the first movie sucks, you need to be able to fire people. And studios make a whole lot more money from movies, which is needed to continue making cbms. And if you do things like Marvel is doing, and WB seems to be moving towards (putting one person over the whole universe to make sure everything connects and moves forward), you can use different writers and directors.

And I don't buy this whole "truer version of the character" nonsense. That's just typical fanboy whining about the movies not following source material. They don't have to always exactly follow the source material.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 6/10/2014, 2:21 AM
Never liked Arrow, never liked SHIELD. I tried watching them but they just felt cheap compared to tv shows like The Walking Dead and Hannibal. I think with a bigger budget more comic book tv show's could work it just depends what comic book the tv show is adapting and is it for everyone to get ratings.

I'm actually looking forward to The Flash because that trailer just felt like everything that is about the character same with Constantine, i can not wait to watch the tv show.
Snotzo
Snotzo - 6/10/2014, 3:46 AM
Cherry is on point, they would need a Game of Thrones type budget to really inspire. Not just that great actors and effects teams, the whole gambit.
McGee
McGee - 6/10/2014, 6:10 AM
Animated television is the sweet spot for comic book adaptations if done right.

@CherryBomb

Animated shows don't have to worry about budgets.
McGee
McGee - 6/10/2014, 6:12 AM
I mean...they use to in the 60s...

Vortigar
Vortigar - 6/10/2014, 7:00 AM
@McGee:
Animated shows have lots of budget problems, the number of characters on screen is a horribly limiting factor while with actors you can just treat some people to a hot dog and they'll be happy to go along with you.

Superman -> Batman: animated -> Batman Beyond -> Justice League
You can literally see the budget rising from show to show.

Even anime, which has a huge audience, cuts corners with lots of bobbing and moving still images or the old 2 or 3 frame speech animation. The characters look better but the number of individual animation frames has dropped since the late 90's/early 00's. Akira and Snow White have way better production values but were backbreakingly expensive to make (Those early Disney movies were all out gambits, if any of them failed the company would've been bankrupt).

Ah man, that show you linked is hilariously awesome. Did you know it was made using images pulled from comics because it was too expensive to hire people to draw stuff for them? They just xeroxed that shit together from whatever they could find.

One massive advantage animation has is that the people in charge have to really think about their storyboard. You can't animate a couple scenes and decide to remove them later. So it usually means every scene actually has a point.

It also removes ad libs (a major part of what made Iron Man work).
SimyJo
SimyJo - 6/10/2014, 9:13 AM
I don't want anymore Spider-Man films at the cinema. Spider-Man, Batman Arkham City/Knight, The Hulk all would do great in the old-skool format of hour-long tv episodes with cliff-hanger endings. Both Spider-Man and Batman especially have a Nemesis-porfolio way larger and more diverse than you could fit into any 2 hour theatre film. Three-to-five episode villain arcs with our heroes dealing with a specific foe is the way to go.
McGee
McGee - 6/10/2014, 9:37 AM
@Vortigar

I appreciate the response. Yeah, I've been watching some of those old Marvel animated shows on YouTube. I like them, but I could never show my cousins or nephews this what with them having been spoiled by modern stuff.

One thing Akira did that helped it was recording the dialogue before animating. Disney did that too. Giving the animators something to work with when doing the faces.
Trickwil
Trickwil - 6/10/2014, 11:06 AM
The MCU have done a great job by making the films almost episodic. And having a reoccurring villain does increase the stress on the heroes but it also makes him a more complete character. That's why imo the thor movies though lacking the story or the sense of urgency of Iron Man or Cap movies have done well because of so many reoccurring and well defined characters.

Arrow is in a great position because they can introduce and use any DC character they want, in whatever way they want. The fact is you could have replaced Arrow with Daredevil and changed the names of characters and the show would be pretty much the same because of how little it has to do with the Comic book. But the idea is basically there that you can build more in a serial than in a film

If they were to make a show that was more reflective of a comic arc I think you would have great success because comics are episodic as are television serial.

AOS felt like a comic arc but it is not based on any source material. The biggest thing hampering AOS is that it's part of the greater Marvel Universe and can only use certain properties in certain ways and can't really establish anything that will be needed for the films.
sikwon
sikwon - 6/10/2014, 6:18 PM
I love both to be honest. I also think both have their place. What I would eventually like to see, and I honestly believe that we will, is the T.V episodes building to event movies. Take the 4 Netflix shows from Marvel for example. We know they will culminate with a Defenders series but what if that Defenders finale is a 2 hour movie? Or, and this is logistically difficult (but AoS showed that it can be done) how's this... The Netflix shows all have their run, AoS is in its 4th season, we've had Dr. Strange, Antmam and what ever else movie is in phase 3 leading to phase 4, and then the tv/netflix/movie characters "Assemble" to fight Thanks or his hordes. I think the role of TV could be best served to develop characters and plot and story's but culminate in event movies. I think this is the way that it's headed. Imagine Cap is fighting some one in NY and Cage shows up just because he's in the neighborhood. We wouldn't need an explanation because he's had his own series. That type of flexibility and cumulative story telling is possible now.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 6/14/2014, 5:21 PM
Comics are more suited for the episodic format of television. Period. A movie just can't cover all the material. Don't really care about big budgets.
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