SPOILERS New STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Details Reveal Potentially Major Ramifications For EPISODE IX

SPOILERS New STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Details Reveal Potentially Major Ramifications For EPISODE IX

Some new details about Supreme Leader Snoke in a Star Wars: The Last Jedi companion magazine drops a pretty shocking detail about the villain which could have major ramifications for the franchise...

By JoshWilding - Dec 21, 2017 06:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
It's been made clear that Supreme Leader Snoke is not a Sith and that Kylo Ren, while powerful in the Dark Side of the Force, doesn't seem to have much interest in being one either. In Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the former Ben Solo murders his "master" and that means there's no longer two as Darth Sidious once said should always be the case. However, it sounds like there could be another apprentice!

According to a companion magazine for the Rian
Johnson helmed release, "Force sensitive, and highly attuned to the dark side but not a sith, Snoke has trained Kylo Ren and at least one other apprentice." The question is, did he train that mystery apprentice before Kylo Ren was turned or is there another warrior out there with ties to the Dark Side? There are a real myriad of possibilities. 

A future Star Wars movie filling in the gaps between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens could introduce us to a new apprentice Luke and company clashed with or Episode IX may very well bring in someone looking to make Kylo pay for killing Snoke. Either way, this throwaway reveal could have some huge ramifications for the Star Wars franchise moving forward so we're going to have to wait and see.
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Kman
Kman - 12/21/2017, 6:44 AM
"throwaway reveal"... that's all we got for Snoke, a "throwaway reveal"... uggh
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 12/21/2017, 7:05 AM
@Kman -
We didn't even get a reveal... Just a throwaway.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 12/21/2017, 7:30 AM
@Kman - Yeah. And this "companion magazine" could mean nothing at all. They could play off of this or not.

Although it would be kind of cool to see a mystery dark side assassin show up to take down Kylo Ren...or try. Leaving Rey to help him. Possibly Kylo dying and the First Order then merging with the New Republic to form one army.

The72nd
The72nd - 12/21/2017, 9:51 AM
@Kman - i genuinely don’t get why people are so upset about snoke. His death was surprising and made Kylo a much more interesting character. it seems like another case of people just being mad that the movie doesn’t conform to their fan theories. We never got backstory for the emperor either until the prequels.
Kman
Kman - 12/21/2017, 9:55 AM
@The72nd - Why is he such a powerful force user? Why did he create or come to lead the First Order? How did he seduce Ben to the Dark Side? Where is he from? These are questions I find very relevant.

If there wasn't a whole bunch of space where this stuff took place between TFA and ROTJ I might not care as much. But these details bridge the gap of the events that happened between these two trilogies and what led to the events we're currently seeing.

I don't need a whole movie on him.... but can I at least get some exposition? These are important details.
The72nd
The72nd - 12/21/2017, 10:03 AM
@Kman - you could ask all those same questions about the emperor in return of the Jedi and still have no answers. i think some mystery is good. i could maybe get that being a small complaint, but it just seems way less important to me than what we got.
Kman
Kman - 12/21/2017, 10:04 AM
@The72nd - But with the Emperor we didn't need to know... because there weren't 6 movies that came before it. The OT wasn't bridging a gap from one set of trilogies to the other. Less context was needed.

The Emperor's backstory in the OT is the history of the Empire and the Republic, as told by Obi-wan. Why? Because he's the Emperor, and his rise to power had to have been with the rise of the Empire and fall of the Republic. That's accompanied by the fall of the Jedi. So, clearly, he orchestrated it or at least benefited from it. And as Emperor, an actual title of a political head of state, he immediately has context that we understand. He's not just a big bad. You get all of that from the OT.

Not so with Snoke, who is a generic "Supreme Leader" of a non-political First Order. His title is generic, his origin is unknown, and we don't know how he fit within the Imperial remnant who formed the First Order or within the galaxy as a force user (since we don't hear about him in the PT or the OT)
Origame
Origame - 12/21/2017, 1:18 PM
@Kman - Who's to say that Snoke can't become a force ghost as well? There's still plenty to explore with his character, even if it's through a new apprentice.
Kman
Kman - 12/21/2017, 1:21 PM
@Origame - I mean I could be open to that - I guess Ill take whatever I can get at this point
TheSoulEater
TheSoulEater - 12/22/2017, 4:58 AM
@The72nd -

I'll see if i can help this disconnect.

We knew nothing of the Emperor, he was steeped in lore and characters we knew nothing about before the the originals came out, other than Yoda and Ben, who were new to us. It was fine, because like Sauron in Lord of the Rings, it didn't matter NOW who they were, they were from a by-gone era.

That is NOT the case here.

We KNOW Luke, we KNOW Han, we KNOW Leia

They are not what Ben and Yoda were, and Snoke is THEIR foil.

We already know these characters, intimately, what they would and wouldn't do, have expectations and trusts of how bad ass they were in their life time.

Someone who shows up and rips all that apart, HAS to be given more mark than simply "The one random evil bloke who blew in and did shit cause he was evil."

Does this make more sense?

He's carbon copy of the emperor enough as it is, some originality or at least solidarity of his origin or motivation or who he is to the original 3...particularly if Rian Johnson says he ISN'T a sith, and that according to JJ he's intimately familiar with the Skywalker bloodline....would be VERY welcome.
Fogs
Fogs - 12/26/2017, 5:43 AM
@Kman - Yeah. They're constantly retconning stuff. Dammit.
Stealthduck
Stealthduck - 12/21/2017, 6:46 AM
There will always be more...
Although there are many endearing qualities to the Star Wars universe, I believe Jedi and Sith will always remain a prominent and key part of it.
Will there be another? Yes.
How? Let the theorising commence...
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 12/21/2017, 7:08 AM
@Stealthduck -
The Sith were destroyed in Return of the Jedi and the Jedi ended in The Last Jedi. We will still see plenty of light and dark force users, but the Jedi and Sith organisations are over.
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