CBM Debate! Spider-Man 4 Vs. The Amazing Spider-Man

I would rather see Spider-Man 4, because I loved the direction Raimi was going with the franchise and if we could possibly see the Sinister Six in the saga, so I'm pissed they choose to reboot it

DAMN YOU SONY

Raimi did a great job. My anticipation for the reboot takes nothing away from a (almost) great trilogy.

BUT any movie that was gonna use John Malkovich as it's main villain was never going to excite me. Anyways, we as fans asked for Venom (as did the studio) and that was ultimately the thirds undoing.

I welcome this change of direction.

Why is there no love for the people that would rather there not be a reboot or Spider-Man 4? You assume everybody wants to see another Spider-Man movie. Let Raimi's flicks rest in peace for at least ten years (preferably at least twenty years).

I agree with golden. Continuing or rebooting the franchise feels like they're just trying to play it safe. Try something new. Find a new franchise that has potential and maybe ten to fifteen years later we can see a reboot of this franchise if it's absolutely needed.

From what I heard, Spidey 4 would've been quite a mediocre film to say the least. I'd love to see the Vulture brought onto the big screen, but apparently he was gonna be MJ's dad? Huh? And Felicia Hardy was gonna be a Vultress instead of Black Cat? Wow.
And Trudey, I believe Sony really pushed Raimi around, which is what damaged SM3. From one website: Raimi walked off Spider-Man 4 specifically because Sony was pushing him around the way they did on Spider-Man 3, and now they're free to hire a complete yes-man who will put five villains into the script and get Mary Jane to show her boobs. Movies directed by a studio with dollar signs in their eyes will never, ever be good. Sony apparently had more control over screwing things up, since Raimi's first two films are gold.
And concerning the reboot, I think it's too soon. I mean...it'll be out five years after SM3 and 10 years after SM1. It's not like Hulk were you can easily reboot it after half a decade. Marc Webb has on his hands a complete revamp of perhaps the most successful CBM franchise of all time, it's not easy to do something like this so soon.
As to whether they should've gone with the reboot or SM4, I think they should've made at least one more film ending the series on a perfect note, then wait a few years before rebooting. The cast of Raimi's films are getting older and can't continue to play characters a decade younger. Perhaps the reboot was the best thing for the franchise after all...but it still feels too son.

Ok here is how I see it:I second Craptain America's comment that the last trilogy had some really GREAT aspects and did so much for the entire cbm genre. I was like 11 when SPIDER-MAN came out. True there were several things that were changed (organic web, hairy fingers, no gwen, skipped over highschool-spidey career), or miscast (MJ really is nothing like she is in those movies... nothing)but what those films got was the heart of spider-man, this was NOT the BATMAN AND ROBIN or CATWOMAN of the marvel movies they didn't say 'Hey lets take this crappy kiddy comic book character and change it until it is unrecognisable and then market it to everyone and we'll make more dough!' I believe that regardless of its faults the first trilogy had its heart in the right place.

That said...

I am embracing a new take on the character. I'm looking at it as if a new writer/artist team is coming onto the book after a decade of one guy's interpretation. Sure it may take a while to be completly comfortable with how he draws the suit or which villain they tackle BUT this is a chance to see a different side of the character.

Like I said the first trilogy did a great job but one thing that was mostly ignored was a fundamental part of who spiderman is: his sense of humour. Anyone who reads spiderman will know that when he is fighting a villain he is yammering away shooting as many quips as he does thwips (that's the webbing sound affect for non readers) and peter's humour is there when he is out of costume, just more subdued. If they had have incorperated this significant character trait then it would have gone a long way in helping pace the movie by breaking up the serious stuff with segments of RELEVENT humour rather than throwing random stuff in to break up the gloom of peter's life; and it would have allowed Tobey to get his acting chops around that part of the character, which he did pretty well in SPIDER-MAN2 THE VIDEOGAME, instead of being percieved as the WHINEY spider-man.
Now Andrew Garfield, at first everyone was like WHO THE [frick]! i don't know this bozo! and there was a lot of hate, ironically, i recall, from people (cough JOSHW: I WILL NEVER WATCH THIS MOVIE cough : P) who are now his most avid supporters and the reason we like the guy is: he is one of us. He talked in several interviews when it was first announced how honoured he was and how this is a dream come true, how he used to climb up doorframes and run around being spiderman, not just when he was like 5 but right the way through. He's watched and read all the stuff and loves LOVES the character. How can you hate that guy? I know Tobey read the first hundred ASM comics but he never seemed THAT thrilled to be the character.
I think being a real fan, Garfield will know how spidey should sound and how he would react when a giant scaly lizard lunges on top of him, snapping its deadly five-inch razor-teeth and drooling everywhere. 'WHOA, buddy!Can you say Halitosis?'

@Trudey I assume you didn't catch the sarcasm in that site's quote? And how does it contradict itself?
And FYI, Raimi did express interest in having Lizard in a future Spiderman film. Same with Dylan Baker. also, even if SM4 was made, I believe Raimi would've made the Vulture awesome, like how he turned Sandman from an obscure villain to a perfect translation on screen. And look at Spectacular Spiderman's take on Vulture....THATS the way to do the guy, instead of some dude with actual feathers. I think Raimi would've done the character justice as he had with all villains except Venom and Green Goblin to a degree.

@fsucsu
As far as I've read, Garfield's comments were that the Spider-man story was as important as Greek Mythology or Shakespeare, not saying that Peter Parker or any of the characters were in any way Shakespearian.

i vote spider man 4

I'm a huge fan of movie franchises having continuity to them so I'm pretty pissed they just decided to reboot so soon. Now it seems we're just going to get Sony's version of Spider-Man anyways without any continuity from the already established characters. Movie goers don't like that. They want a story to follow and continue to follow like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings and we had that and now we have to start all over again. Who's to say they don't reboot again. Sony should have just kept going with whatever plans they had for Spider man 4 and replaced the actors instead of doing a full fledged reboot.

Altough i liked raimi's trilogy im excited or the reboot. Im this way because i believe with the new ome thier going ot be more true to how the character is the acotr is acually a fan of the character unlike tobey there going for more drama less action which once again is like how it was in the comics and they are going for a villian that we all want to see. Raimi i love ya, but its time for webb's spider-man (get it) to swing in

Can we not love the original trilogy AND like the direction of the reboot? Also I don't get the "too soon" argument, Batman Begins was 8 years after Batman & Robin, that franchise too was heading downhill so this isn't THAT different.

"A reboot was completely needed:
Oh yes I mean spider-man 3 was such a financial loss, right?

"considering what a mess Spider-Man 3 was combined with Raimi apparently losing his mind with making Felicia Hardy as "The Vulteress".

The Vulteress character only existed in ONE early draft, and there were 11 drafts. It was cut before spiderman 4 was, so stop using it as an excuse for why the movie should not have been made.

"SONY told him this was not working out and he walked."

Wooohooo! We lost a director who actually cared enough about the character to not take the 20 million paycheck if it meant making a shitty movie?

"After watching the critical and finacial success WB/DC had with a gritty reboot of Batman followed by TDK. SONY knew all along a campy, cartoony and flawed franchise that Raimi left them with after Spider-Man 3 was not good enough."

Raimi's Spider-man ushered in the wave of these comicbook films, it showed how much potential they had to not just be enjoyable to fans of the source material but to movie goers.

"considering what kind of money a cutting edge and gritty Spider-Man movie can pull in."

Yes because we all know Spider-man works best as a dark character that seeks vengeance on the death of his parents when they were shot down in front of his very eyes when he was very young....err wait that was someone else.

"Enter talented young filmaker Marc Webb and hot young actor Andrew Garfield."

I suppose all it takes is one film to be "talented" in this mediocre day and age. And the giraffe with the skateboard, i'm not sure why you'd consider him hot whether its appearance wise or career wise.

"A villain thats been teased for 3 movies straight in The Lizard.."
I think nearly all can agree the payoff would have been MUCH better if it was the same actor and the same universe.

"is more than worth.. THE VULTERESS is you ask me."
Again, that character was gone before the movie was.

"The Sandman Uncle Ben's murder accomplice i'm sure wasn't."
From what I'm hearing this deviation from the source material is nothing compared to what we will be seeing. Believe me.

"Was anybody actualy interested in seeing The Vulture in Spider-Man 4?"

An older villain might have been a nice change?

"Then it wasn't even Black Cat in the film.. she would be The Vulturess.. LOL."
Sigh...again?

think its possible for the reboot to flop and spider man 4 gets made

Can't really say much man wish I could, and what my sources have said could just be total bull**** anyway, and I hope it is.

Sony were money greedy bastard and imposed on Raimi's plans for spiderman 4 with alot of stupid ideas so they disagreed and Raimi left the franchise. So Sony decide to do a reboot without him and this is how we ended up with this reboot that has almost less than half the budget of the first Spiderman Film. and ironically Sony was against Ramimi idea of Lizard being the Villain in Spiderman 4 and Now hes the villain in this movie. So you cant really trash Raimi's work in favor of what sony is doing now with this reboot because personally for me the bad out weights the good...And I Hate That Shit Suit!!