How Would THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Franchise Fit In With the MCU?

How Would THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Franchise Fit In With the MCU?

With THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 out everywhere now, I've decided to update my thoughts on where THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Franchise fits in with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which I will believe, until I am strictly told by the films they aren't, exists in the same universe.

Editorial Opinion
By TheDarman - May 04, 2014 05:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 opened on May 2nd, and while people will be saying it is a horrible film just because Sony made it (seriously, giving Thor: The Dark World five stars for a completely one-dimensional villain but giving The Amazing Spider-Man 2 two stars because it had two two-dimensional villains is completely stupid), I really loved the film (best Spider-Man film yet, IMO). Now, the big question, for fans like me, is where do I fit it in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Captain America: The First Avenger (Main Story)


It's pretty clearly a movie set before any other Marvel movie. In 1942, we see the first superhero come to life as a war hero. Obviously, the events of the film are a 70-ish year pre-cursor to the events of The Avengers. Stated in The Avengers as the world's first superhero, Captain America is undoubtedly the first in a long timeline of movies.

The Amazing Spider-Man & The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Opening Scenes)


The Amazing Spider-Man states that the disappearance of Peter's parents is ten years prior to the events to the film itself. Thus, this event takes place in 2002. This would make this the second on-screen event of this universe. As we know, the FBI shows up afterwards but it appears like the kind of job the FBI would do in this universe as we know that all the regular agencies still exist along with S.H.I.E.L.D. which is vested in the interest of national secruity and international secruity.

The Incredible Hulk (Opening Scene)


This scene appears to occur in 2003, placing it right after the event of Parker's death. This would make the green goliath the first monster to be created as a direct result of the experiments that were conducted to replicate the Super Soldier serum.

Iron Man


Iron Man is the only movie in the timeline that really falls victim to the sliding timeline. In the fact that Iron Man 2 takes place only 6 months after the first film and with Thor being in 2011, Iron Man would need to be placed in 2010. The beginning of the film can realistically be placed in May, with the captivity spanning three months until August. There, the rest of the movie takes place to culminate in the first superhero in the modern era.

The Incredible Hulk (Beginning)


The timeline gets a little tricky here. Iron Man 2 has a scene in its final moments that has the Culver University attack on it. However, The Incredible Hulk starts a number of weeks before the events of Iron Man 2. It would be reasonable to place The Incredible Hulk at the end of January with February being the start of Iron Man 2. The events of The Incredible Hulk, likely, only unfold from the time in Brazil to the time of the raid before Iron Man 2 starts.

Iron Man 2 (Most Of It)


Iron Man 2's beginning would consist of Iron Man going through until the Monaco scene. After the Monaco scene, it'd be logical to assume that Bruce would be in Pennsylvania. Iron Man would, then, return to his house go through the drunken fight (which is, unfortunately, canon) and have the conversation with Nick Fury. After Tony discovers the element to help him, Tony begins to synthesize it when Coulson is told to go to New Mexico.

Thor (Beginning)


Thor attacking Yoedinhim places it roughly in the same day as the day before Iron Man synthesizes the new element. After he is banished, Coulson is called to New Mexico the very next day, which would place it right where it should be. After Coulson is called over, however, we turn back to...

Iron Man 2 (End)


The climax of Iron Man 2 is the night after Coulson leaves. This climax would be placed the night that Thor stays in the hospital. After Iron Man deals with Whiplash and Pepper deals with Hammer, the scene cuts to Nick Fury. Before this scene, Hulk has attacked Culver University. After this scene, Coulson arrives at the hammer and takes control of the situation. This brings the timeline back to...

Thor (Rest)


After Coulson takes control of the site, Thor goes after his hammer. Thor, after failing to retrieve his hammer, is interrogated by Coulson and Loki tells him of the (false) goings-on in Asgard. After Thor's friends arrive, Loki sends the Destroyer after Thor, who takes it down. Thor then joins the Warriors to go up to Asgard to stop Loki, who is tossed through a portal. Thor is unable to return to Earth.

The Incredible Hulk (Rest)


After Hulk destroys the campus, he goes to New York City with Betty. The climax consists of Hulk beating a powered-up Emil Blonsky as Abomination. Hulk, then, manages to get away and find a place to settle in Canada for a while until the events of The Avengers have him placed in India.

Captain America: The First Avenger (Book-End Scenes)


It just makes sense that Captain America: The First Avenger's scenes would take place after all the other films so far as it allows Captain America to be fresh to the craziness of the universe until The Avengers.

The Avengers


This is the first world-altering event in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and it simply doesn't make any sense that, if Peter Parker was Spider-Man, that he wouldn't have been helping out. Thus, The Avengers has to take place in the summer before The Amazing Spider-Man. Given the ridiculous crane scene in The Amazing Spider-Man, it would make sense that New York was still rebuilding during that time period. I'd place the events of The Avengers in June, as it takes place six months prior to Iron Man 3, which takes place during Christmas time which is definitely December. However, Iron Man 3 is not the next movie in the timeline.

The Amazing Spider-Man


Following the events of The Avengers, it would explain why New York City is only shocked about the fact that Spider-Man is a vigilante and not so much at the fact that he is superpowered. As we know, there really hasn't been a vigilante or street level hero thus far. The Lizard is plausibly believeable. The Hulk is just largely known as his green alter-ego and not Bruce Banner. So, while the dinosaur thing wasn't entirely hard to believe, the fact that someone TURNED HIMSELF into the Lizard would've been far more difficult to believe. Even with aliens, that just hadn't been seen before. As we see, Spider-Man is pretty well established by this time but S.H.I.E.L.D. was just as able to help Spider-Man in the climax as they were Hulk in The Incredible Hulk. They probably have a difficult time to respond to these threats so fast especially if they transpire in less than a few hours.

Iron Man 3


It is set pretty soon after the life-changing events of The Avengers as America tries to deal with another terrorist threat in the week before Christmas. Spider-Man is a local hero in New York, where none of the events of the film transpired; Thor is in Asgard, unable to help if he wanted to; Captain America is with S.H.I.E.L.D., who is unexplicably absent throughout the entire film. Regardless, Iron Man deals with the entirety of the threat himself within this week.

Thor: The Dark World


This film is said to take place a year after the events of The Avengers. This would place it in June of 2013. Spider-Man is a local hero in New York, thus couldn't be called upon to be in London in a matter of hours; S.H.I.E.L.D. has to be cleared for international affairs (undoubtedly and thus explains the absence of them and Captain America); Tony has given up being Iron Man for the time being; Bruce Banner is explained to be in America following the events of Iron Man 3.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Beginning)

Spider-Man has been getting his rounds in since last (probably) November. So, he is the only superhero in Manhattan still. We see him graduate but the montage (according to Marc Webb) is a year time skip until Peter and Gwen meet up again which also means a year time skip until Max Dillon's birthday. As graduations take place in June in New York, it would make sense that Peter's adventure would start right after the events of Thor: The Dark World.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier


This film is stated to be two years following the events of The Avengers. This would place it in June. As stated before: Spider-Man is a local hero that is nowhere in the vacinity of the area in which this transpires and, as much of this is kept secret anyway, only becomes an issue in the final act, where Spider-Man wouldn't even be able to arrive fast enough anyway. Iron Man, if he was in New York at the time, would be the first target so it would explain away why Spider-Man wasn't targeted first. Iron Man has retired and we can assume that Thor is back in Asgard.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Rest)


Following the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, S.H.I.E.L.D. has collapsed which means, following the destruction of Times Square, they wouldn't be able to respond. So, this means this entirely self-contained venture would make total sense that no other hero was involved as it is likely Tony Stark had been dealing with something else. Five months later would place the ending in November, further along than the rest of the MCU, making it the latest installment.

So what do you guys think? Like this idea? Disagree? Be sure to comment below and let me know!
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Pasto
Pasto - 5/4/2014, 5:39 PM
I honestly think Garfield's Spidey would be right at home in the MCU.
Interestein
Interestein - 5/4/2014, 5:55 PM
As much as I want Spider-Man in the MCU, I think he'd be better suited crossing over with Fox, being the main character of a FUTURE FOUNDATION film. But this is a nice idea.
kong
kong - 5/4/2014, 6:20 PM
Get over it they aren't in the same universe. God I hate these articles so much.
Abary
Abary - 5/4/2014, 7:04 PM
Here's a simple answer: It won't.
MisterHolmes
MisterHolmes - 5/4/2014, 7:04 PM
garfield and downey in the same scene, id like to see that
yonny616
yonny616 - 5/4/2014, 8:02 PM
this was well done. thumbs up.
SwanRonson
SwanRonson - 5/4/2014, 8:03 PM
YES.
superotherside
superotherside - 5/4/2014, 9:19 PM
Meh. Well written article though.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/4/2014, 11:33 PM
Eh, i would not mind if TASM series where to be included into the MCU.
Good work.
staypuffed
staypuffed - 5/4/2014, 11:45 PM
Nice job!
Sumitsjc
Sumitsjc - 5/5/2014, 12:38 AM
OR they don't exists in the Same Universe ... simple is that.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2014, 3:21 AM
Lol. So you're going to continue to believe they are the same universe even though the film makers themselves have said they are not? You'll only believe they are not the same universe when the movies say they aren't, which will never happen because neither movie universe will ever mention the other...because, y'know' they aren't the same universe.

You've reached a whole new level of stubborness.
BaronZemo
BaronZemo - 5/5/2014, 4:30 AM
Man, this thing you did... Great. Someone had to do it. You have resolved the puzzle. Congratulations. Now, Marvel, get freaking spiderman now and make him better!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/5/2014, 5:36 AM
It wouldn't

I see WEBB's Spider-Man as the ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN and has no place in the MCU at all!

Do not see The Avengers as the Ultimates and never will!

Want to see a MARVEL STUDIOS SPIDEY in the MCU... taht is all ;)
GreenLantern519
GreenLantern519 - 5/5/2014, 7:09 AM
I'd say with the recent comments made by Avi Arad about the MCU, coupled with multiple movies splintering off of the Amazing Spider-man franchise, the chances of a cross over are pretty much zero (as they always have been, in my opinion...)
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2014, 7:33 AM
@ Spidey5194

Of course there's a zero chance. The only reason people wonder is because of that stupid comment someone made about how they almost put Oscorp's building in Avengers.

But the funny thing is the fact they COULDN'T put Oscorp in the movie. Thats all the proof in the world anyone should need that these two universes are not one and the same. Just like Stark Tower is no where to be seen in the Spider-Man films.

In the MCU films, there have been multiple aerial views of New York, and you can't see Oscorp in a single one of them. A very prominent, giant, black building that can't be missed. Same with the Spidey films. There have been aerial views of NY, and you can't see Stark Tower in it. Again, a very prominent, impossible to miss building.

That is all the reason in the world to show that these films do not take place in the same worlds.
tvor03
tvor03 - 5/5/2014, 8:01 AM
people, everyone knows that these movies exist in separate universes. no one is arguing different. Darman isn't saying that it is some big studio secret that Arad and Feige have been secretly working together to create a continuous cross-studio universe. so get off your high horse about it.

What Darman is doing is saying that although these are separate universes, is there a way to combine them in a logical way simply for your own personal fun. So in your head you can pretend they exist along side of each other even when you know they don't. What is wrong with that?
Odin
Odin - 5/5/2014, 8:14 AM
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 5/5/2014, 9:35 AM
No no no no no no no no no. Stop it. Just stop.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2014, 10:06 AM
@ tvor03

Actually, the intro to this article says pretty clearly that he will continue to believe these movies are in the same universe until the movies themselves say differently.

So before you start telling people to get off their high horses, maybe you should actually read the article that we're talking about.

Thank you, good day.
ruadh
ruadh - 5/5/2014, 3:47 PM
My best friend's dad once translated the entire Bible into Spanish. It could be seen as an intense waste of time, since of course he could just buy that. Or it could be seen as devoting a lot of time and thought to something you're passionate about.

With that in mind, even though everyone is aware these films don't share continuity, I still think it's awesome to have spent time and thought to something you're passionate about.
Cozmo2525
Cozmo2525 - 5/5/2014, 4:06 PM
This sounds good and everything, but how would you fit Agents of SHIELD into this timeline? Would their presence make a difference?
JoJo1982
JoJo1982 - 5/5/2014, 4:56 PM
LEEE777 - 5/5/2014, 5:36 AM

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It wouldn't

I see WEBB's Spider-Man as the ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN and has no place in the MCU at all!

Do not see The Avengers as the Ultimates and never will

@leee
It's funny u say that since the MCU takes a lot of material from the ultimate universe too
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 5/5/2014, 7:12 PM
*sigh* this is just so......*be nice*.........not well thought out. No, no, no, no, and no, they're not in the same universe, give it up.

I could go through and tear your reasoning, but I'll just point out 5 large discrepancies. First, Shield IS involved in TIH, but helping Ross hunt down Banner. It was Shield that helped the army track down Mr. Blue and Mr. Green through the internet, leading them to New York. Also, in TIH, it's Stark that comes and talks to Ross about forming a team, which shows that all that happened earlier than you think (since at the end of IM 2 Stark was told that he wasn't really wanted for the Avengers, except as a consultant. You don't send a consultant out to tell Ross about the team.) Next, you totally ignored Agents of Shield. It is tied in to both TDW and TWS, in fact they investigate London right after TDW happens, and frequently operate in foreigh countries, killing your theory that they need special permission. And at the end of TDW, Thor comes to live on Earth, so how do you assume he's back in Asguard? Finally, in TWS, the Zola algorithm can target thousands at once, and clearly targeted Stark at Stark Tower. So why wouldn't it target Spidey at the same time?
ruadh
ruadh - 5/5/2014, 8:10 PM
Well...to be fair, they didn't show every single target. So, Peter COULD have been a target. There's nothing that says he wasn't targeted. YES, if Spider-Man were a part of the MCU (which of course he legally cannot be), then of course they would have shown that as much as they showed the only person in Avengers Tower being targeted. There's still nothing that can't let fans suppose.
ruadh
ruadh - 5/6/2014, 8:16 AM
Is this one of those times where you hear a funny expression and can't wait to use it yourself, so you've shoehorned it in?

If you can tongue punch your own fartbox then I guarantee you are in the wrong field. You can have a lucrative career in adult films.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/9/2014, 8:45 PM
Jojo @ True :p


Don't see 'em as The Ultimates tho!
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