RUMOR: SPIDER-MAN 4's Female Lead And Villain Found - Will The Movie Include Gwen Stacy And Daredevil?

RUMOR: SPIDER-MAN 4's Female Lead And Villain Found - Will The Movie Include Gwen Stacy And Daredevil?

We may have a long-overdue update on Marvel Studios' Spider-Man 4 plans as rumours are swirling that the movie's villain and female lead have been cast. Will we see Gwen Stacy and Daredevil, though?

By JoshWilding - Jan 22, 2025 09:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Despite what's felt like endless rumours about Marvel Studios' Spider-Man 4 plans, we're no closer to knowing what to expect from the wall-crawler's next MCU movie. 

Over the past 24 hours, the usual suspects on social media have hinted at Daredevil making an appearance; however, with Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man fast approaching, they may, in fact, be referring to Charlie Cox's role in the upcoming animated series. 

Regardless, scooper @MyTimeToShineH has suggested that major Spider-Man 4 casting news is on the horizon after revealing the movie's "female lead and main villain [have] already [been] found." 

When this was put to The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez, he simply responded, "Remember when I mentioned the working title was Blue Oasis?"

At the time, the implication was that "Blue Oasis" is a reference to Spider-Man: Blue, a story recounting Peter Parker's romance with Gwen Stacy. If so, his comments suggest she's the "female lead" referred to above. 

It makes sense for the hero to meet her at college given that's how things played out in the comics. It's how Marvel Studios intends to handle the character that's most interesting, though, because many fans will no doubt be hoping she suits up as Spider-Gwen. 

MJ is expected to take a backseat in the story now she no longer remembers who Peter is, so a new love interest for this next trilogy makes sense. Hopefully, this Gwen avoids the same tragic end as her comic book counterpart and Emma Stone's Variant in The Amazing Spider-Man 2

"I read it three weeks ago and it really lit a fire in me," Holland said of Spider-Man 4's script late last year. "Zendaya and I sat down and read it together and we at times were like bouncing around the living room."

"Like this is a real movie worthy of the fans’ respect, but there [are] a few things we need to figure out before we can get that really going. But it’s exciting and I’m really, really excited about it."

Holland added, "Obviously, one of the things to like bear in mind with Marvel is that there is, your film is a small cog in a large machine, and that machine has got to keep running, and you need to make sure that you can fit into that timeline at the right time to benefit the bigger picture."

"I feel like I owe it to [fans] to give and deliver the best version of what the next chapter for Spider-Man looks like, and I think that's really important, and I think the creative integrity for something like that is really important, and the studio is on board and supportive and really collaborative."

Spider-Man 4 has been officially dated for July 26, 2026 with Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings director Destin Daniel Cretton helming a script penned by Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 1/22/2025, 9:18 AM
if bringing in Gwen Stacy means no more Michelle Jones-Watson then go for it peter. HURRY!!

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dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/22/2025, 9:56 AM
@harryba11zack - What's the difference between them as love interests
dracula
dracula - 1/22/2025, 9:20 AM
No way they are cutting michelle and ned loose
mountainman
mountainman - 1/22/2025, 9:23 AM
Wait, if he meets her at college and she becomes Spider-Gwen, then this girl me met at college is from another universe? That sounds dumb.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 1/22/2025, 9:24 AM
Man what a loose rumor. I have one about the new XMen under the same vein:
- An actor is being eyed to play a male lead.
- A villain was chosen

slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/22/2025, 9:56 AM
@FrankenDad - you should write articles 🔥🔥
S8R8M
S8R8M - 1/22/2025, 9:24 AM
I know it's a different universe. However, wouldn't Peter avoid Gwen if he knows what happened to Garfield's Gwen?

Felicia Hardy would be a good shout.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 1/22/2025, 9:28 AM
@S8R8M - Gwen who doesn’t know he’s Spider-Man making him want to give it up while Black Cat encourages him to stop being Peter would be cool.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 1/22/2025, 9:28 AM
@S8R8M - only if they cast syder sweeney User Comment Image
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/22/2025, 9:54 AM
@harryba11zack - I don't think she fits with Holland in this movie.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 1/22/2025, 10:01 AM
@dagenspear - SHE FIITTTTTTTSSSSSSS!!!!!!
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EducatedDefense
EducatedDefense - 1/22/2025, 10:41 AM
@S8R8M - Peter doesn’t know. If I’m recalling correctly, Garfield never mentioned her by name. I think he just called her “my MJ,” as in, the girl who is my MJ equivalent in my universe.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/22/2025, 10:58 AM
@harryba11zack - I think their looks aren't compatible.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 1/22/2025, 11:03 AM
@OmegaBlack13 - Yeah that could work.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 1/22/2025, 11:03 AM
@harryba11zack - I wouldn't say no haha
S8R8M
S8R8M - 1/22/2025, 11:05 AM
@EducatedDefense - I think he did on top of the school. I think his says Gwen and then mentions his MJ.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 1/22/2025, 9:26 AM
Minor nitpick but it’s so weird to say “Emma Stone's Variant in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.” Like, this isn’t official Disney literature, you can say “version” or “portrayal” lol
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/22/2025, 10:26 AM
@OmegaBlack13 - Yeah, I hate that shit, but language marches on without us, unfortunately. A second sequel is called a threequel; give and gift are synonymous; literally means figuratively; "you and I" is always acceptable, even when "you and he" is more grammatically correct; etc. Whenever I feel like wagging my finger at the young people, I remember how obnoxious it was to be told not to end a sentence in a preposition.
RolandD
RolandD - 1/22/2025, 10:36 AM
@Clintthahamster - lol. That preposition thing was never an actual rule of English at least not modern English. I read once that it was a hold over from Latin.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 1/22/2025, 11:07 AM
@Clintthahamster - "You and I" vs "you and he"? They are not interchangeable, totally different meaning. Perhaps you meant to compare he and him.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/22/2025, 11:43 AM
@SpiderParker - I know this. I was listing developments in language that I don't agree with, but am forcing myself to accept so that I don't come off as a prescriptivist scold.

You will never hear me use "you and I" and "you and me" interchangeably, but there's been an overcorrection from back in the day when everyone said "you and me" whether it was correct or not to the present day when everyone says "you and I" whether it's correct or not.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 1/22/2025, 9:27 AM
the Less we have of Zendaya and her shitty fake MJ, the better.

with that said, still hoping for black cat and a street level story but highly doubt we get either
DarthAlgar
DarthAlgar - 1/22/2025, 9:31 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - Hear hear.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2025, 9:46 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - She wasn't even a fake MJ tho, he never got with THE MJ or Gwen whilst in high school and was a crush on Liz Allen and first GF proper Betty Brant during that period so was relatively reasonable to create a completely original love interests with only a fun nod to THE Mary Jane with her initials/nickname (Michelle Jones) until he started college.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/22/2025, 9:53 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - I think writing effects the fakeness of MJ, not an actress in this context.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 1/22/2025, 10:37 AM
@dagenspear - yes, but, i think Zendaya is an awful actress, which is mostly to blame.

@Apophis71 - i think im just frustrated/upset/dont understand WHY on earth they had to go and name her michelle jones and give her the MJ nickname... like... they HAD to know that would piss off alot of people and they didnt give AF. it's petty on my part i admit, but still was even dumber on them
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2025, 10:42 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - I simply saw it as a fun easter egg thing and making it clear that having already been done in prior adaptions they were not gonna go there with Mary Jane at all and rare your first proper high school GF ever becomes a long term thing anyway even without the whole superhero alter ego stuff.

I get not liking her character however, but would never say Zendaya is a bad actor by any stretch even if your not keen on specific roles she has been cast for.
PC04
PC04 - 1/22/2025, 9:29 AM
No to "SPIDER-GWEN". Yes to the classic Gwen Stacy.

Spider-Gwen is fine and all in the SPIDERVERSE series but at this point she would not lend anything to the story in live action. This current version of Peter has barely been an actual "friendly neighborhood Spider-man". He's been Spider-Man in Space and saved constantly by his cast of friends.

We have to see Peter stand on his own two feet before introducing any of these other SPIDER people in the MCU. Given that Peters been through so much he should be mature and confident in his abilities.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/22/2025, 9:39 AM
@PC04 - I get what you mean but that seems hyperbolic…

He didn’t need to be constantly saved by his friends & such since he was able to handle Vulture and took down Mysterio more or less on his own (the other Spider Men did help him with the Sinister Five)

Also him dealing with the multiverse , going to space and even abroad all has comic precedent.

However yes , the Watts trilogy was his arc of coming of age/into his own as a hero & maturity as a person so I do hope we see him without any other Spider Person or hero in general though idk if that’s possible with the Sony Contract.
PC04
PC04 - 1/22/2025, 10:06 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I always looks forward to seeing your take Visionary25. =)

I guess I can see your perspective. Vulture, true he did handle on his own in the sense that in the end he was in his home made spider-suit. Still, who gave him his suit? Tony Stark. I love RDJ as Tony, but looking back on the films I find his involvement a bit of a diservice to the Spider-Man character or at least the version I hold in my head to be "SPIDER-MAN". I know I'm being a little picky. Nothing against Tom Holland at all. He's working with what he's got.

Mysterio was very cool to see in live action but again we had Nick Fury getting involved and still the Stark-Spidey Suit with all these tech upgrades. Then of course in the next one he still has the Iron Spider suit.

I guess my point is I want to see the character grow. I don't see growth for Peter on screen. Now "NOW WAY HOME" pushed him a lot more than he has been. It had some great moments. So I'm hoping Tom Hollands Spider-Man is depicted as a more mature and independent SPIDER-MAN going forward. Peter was very much a solo act for a long period of time in the books. The pop-ins of other characters are very cool. I just want to see Spider-Man be SPIDER-MAN though =)
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/22/2025, 10:36 AM
@PC04 - fair enough

They went with a different approach that doesn’t necessarily work for everyone

I didn’t find it to be a disservice at all since Peter has had many mentors in the comics and Tony just was one of them in this universe who didn’t help him much in HC tbf.

Also Peters suit having tech upgrades and the Iron Spider suit also has comic precedent.

However you are right that everyone in their head has version of these characters , especially the really popular ones so if it doesn’t align with that it can be jarring or a turn off initially so that’s fair.

I will see that Peter not having growth I disagree with because he’s definitely had it , not just in NWH but HC & FFH imo.

I would love to see Solo Spidey but again , I don’t think the Sony contract allows not having another MCU hero.
PC04
PC04 - 1/22/2025, 10:46 AM
@TheVisionary25 - "I would love to see Solo Spidey but again , I don’t think the Sony contract allows not having another MCU hero." - I was not aware of that! That would make sense.

I do like the Iron Spider suit in the comics. The movie design is a little too busy for me, but still it's pretty amazing that we even got that on screen.

I know its not a suepr well loved storyline but I'd actually love to see a "clone saga" kind of story play out with Ben R and Kane. Since Strange's spell made everyone forget Peter I think there can be a woven in story of other Spider-Man (Scarlet Spider) appearing and really messing with Peter's sense of identity.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2025, 10:51 AM
@PC04 - The way I've very much been with Holland was this was teen Peter in high school, not even his college years and beyond so thus having mentors/major supporting roles and assists whilst still a kid doing things in a differing way was fine prior to when most normal people are NOT on their own making their own way in life.

It would only be an issue for me therefore if now he is a young adult sans support network he should be using his own tech and handle his own fully even if he crosses paths (for contractual reasons) with other MCU characters like DD and at times is fighting alongside them whilst mostly solo in his solo films.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/22/2025, 10:57 AM
@PC04 - yeah , I think that’s what’s been reported is a clause in the contract.

I agree with you about the Iron Spider , not a big fan of it but I prefer the comic version to the movie one.

That story could be fun!!.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/22/2025, 9:30 AM
I kinda hope we don’t get Gwen tbh and if we do , it will likely be a reinvention like MJ was which I wouldn’t mind since I like the latter.

I just would rather Peter’s other love interests that haven’t been shown on screen be given a shot such as Felicia…

It would be something different with him having a romance with someone that has her own alter ego that is perhaps trying to lure Peters to the dark side which he could be susceptible to this given the mental state he might have post NWH.

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Also didn’t we just get a rumor of them rewriting the script so if that’s the case then how have they cast the female lead & main villain already…

I’m thinking Marvel/Sony is leaking false info to throw people off the scent of the real thing or have it lost in the shuffle.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2025, 10:04 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Having romantic tangles with females with powers and/or alter ego's I'd be cool with, we have had a Mary Jane love interest with the first iteration and a Gwen with both the second and Miles in Spiderverse so Felicia/Black Cat would be cool (that never becomes FULL girlfriend but more a flirtacious almost) for this as a brief thing then maybe even have the Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat one in the mutant saga if he is still in the main 616 MCU movies. I know what it was order wise in the comics but no live adaption has stuck THAT true to source anyway so...

...as to Zendaya however I figure she will still stick around even if it only goes back to friends only once the nobody knows who Peter thing ceases to be, and as an original character they could even power her up in some way if they REALY wanted. Ultimately with the way the MCU has gone with things and the decision Peter in it made it would tend to make sense he would avoid a full romantic relationship with anyone who was not also a Supe of some sort after the risks and costs to those around him have faced thus far.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/22/2025, 10:13 AM
@Apophis71 - true but I feel you have to come back to MJ eventually since she is meant to be this universes version of Mary Jane regardless.

I wouldn’t mind though if it’s like a movie or 2 later once Peter has really settled into his new life , his past comes crashing back.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2025, 10:33 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Why I say they may opt to enhance her somehow, so he has a bit of a flirty thing with Black Cat in this one that never goes anyway then the events of Secret Wars and resulting multiverse reset undoes the whole nobody remembers Peter stuff. After time has passed however MJ may have started a relationship with someone else so could have Spidey date Shadowcat during that but ultimately ends up back with the Michelle Jones MJ and never redo Mary Jane MJ or Gwen. Could have it that for instance that who MJ gets with turns out to be a villain and the reason why she ends up being enhanced against her will.

JUST spitballing ideas however, it will be what it will be and as long as the films are good don't realy mind either way or even opting to avoid any more love interest stuff.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/22/2025, 11:03 AM
@Apophis71 - I agree with that for the most part!!.

I’m cool with them doing love interest stuff since it just helps humanize our heroes more since they have connections & such.

Plus ,Soap opera relationship stuff is a big part of Spidey
AnEye
AnEye - 1/22/2025, 9:43 AM
Watch it be based or inspired by the "Spider-Island" comic run.
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