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TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 12/15/2022, 12:02 PM
MoS: mid
BvS: shit
JL: he barely had a cameo in it

I seriously dont get why Cavill leaving the role is such a big deal.
BatmanBeenDrinking
BatmanBeenDrinking - 12/15/2022, 12:06 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - cause a lot of people rank MOS pretty high including myself. I think you're in the minority for BvS, while a lot of people didn't love it I don't think the majority thought it was shit... And JL was shit with Zacks being slightly better
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/15/2022, 12:08 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - it isn't a big really I'd say.

He's had more appearances than Bale as Batman, and that wasn't a big deal either. Guess difference is, Bale's movies were actually great
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 12/15/2022, 12:16 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Bale was the lead in three movies, Cavill was the lead in just one.

@BatmanBeenDrinking - It was that bad, though.
BvS failure at the BO and the terrible reception were the reason why they changed course for Justice League.
And MoS also lost money, and was incredible divised when it came out.
bs77
bs77 - 12/15/2022, 1:03 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Agree. I like Cavill, but he was never given anything great to work with. The writing was so bad on all of these DCEU movies. I don't feel like he ever truly inhabited the role like Chris Reeve did. It was a huge missed opportunity. He could've been the definitive Superman, but he wasn't. I hope Gunn doesn't squander the next talent that comes along.
Taonrey
Taonrey - 12/15/2022, 1:20 PM
@BatmanBeenDrinking - he’s definitely not in the minority with BVS
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 12/15/2022, 1:47 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Potential.

Or, in this case, the potential of having potential given a different characterization.

Maybe, I dunno, but I think it plays a role.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 12/15/2022, 2:20 PM
@bs77 - @EskimoJ -

The potential was there, but the same goes for Andrew Garfield.
And he starred in TWO Spiderman movies, and there wasnt even a fraction of this conmotion when Amazing 3 was cancelled.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/15/2022, 2:31 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - true. I just mentioned it to illustrate how often he got to appear as the character (over a longer time span as well).

Even though his total screen time is probably less, the GA is used to Cavill being Superman. But like I said, not a big deal for me.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 12/15/2022, 3:13 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I think we would be fine if it wasnt for the cameo in Black Adam, which got a lot of people excited.
Even I was curious for Cavill having the chance to redeem himself in one final movie.
But it was all a ruse from him and The Rock...
BatmanBeenDrinking
BatmanBeenDrinking - 12/15/2022, 3:39 PM
@Taonrey - if we looks at fan reciption then he is in the minority with about a 60 40 split in favor of the movie. Again I am no saying it was great but definitely not shit...
BatmanBeenDrinking
BatmanBeenDrinking - 12/15/2022, 3:44 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - you said it when it first came out(I would still disagree and say it was more positive reception vs negative), over time it had gotten the positive reciption the studio wanted.

BvS was about a 60 40 split in postive reception.

Still I just disagree with BvS being shit. Dragon ball evolution was shit lol that's my bar and BvS is nowhere near there.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/15/2022, 4:53 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - yeah, that and the hyping up of Superman's appearance and potential throwdown with Black Adam got people unnecessarily invested in Cavill's Superman again
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/15/2022, 12:03 PM
Even though the movies were all mediocre at best, I do still like Cavill as Superman. He had some great moments nonetheless (especially his fight with Steppenwolf).
tb86
tb86 - 12/15/2022, 12:22 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I kinda agree except if you are referring to the Snyder Cut as mediocre.
bcom
bcom - 12/15/2022, 2:07 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I will always maintain that it wasn't Cavill that was the problem, it was the material that let him down. The way Superman was written and treated in BvS and JL was rubbish.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/15/2022, 2:33 PM
@tb86 @bcom - Cavill for sure wasn't the problem. The material definitely let him down, even the Snydercut (he was absent for too long).
bcom
bcom - 12/15/2022, 4:05 PM
@bkmeijer1 - And when he did show up at the end all he did was punch Steppenwolf, a lot. Even when Steppenwolf was out for the count Superman still continued to pummel him and even lasered off one of his horns. Superman would never be that senselessly brutal. I actually found it a big step down from Whedon's JL.

I will say one thing about the theatrical cut of JL, at least they portrayed Superman a lot more true to the character than the Snyder cut. Mid fight he noticed that civilians were in trouble so took off to help them before returning to the fight. THAT'S Superman.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/15/2022, 4:54 PM
@bcom - oh yeah. What I liked it from that fight is that Superman just took Steppenwolf's axe to the shoulder like it was nothing.

As for the rest of that fight, I don't really remember a lot. From either cut.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 12/15/2022, 12:06 PM
FilmGuy7878
FilmGuy7878 - 12/15/2022, 12:09 PM
MoS: Alright at best

BvS: One of my guilty pleasure films

JL 2017: Utter dogshit

ZSJL: Pretty damn good

Black Adam: So mediocre but pretty tolerable.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/15/2022, 12:12 PM
I can't understand the reverence for critic scores. They are people just like you and me who give their opinions. The audience score is FAR MORE representative of the public's like or dislike of a film. It is a huge statistical sample. When compared to all Superman films, Man of Steel is one of the best. Man of Steel’s Rotten Tomatoes Audience Score compared to the seven other live action Superman films puts it at the third OR MAYBE EVEN second most liked Superman film ever. Given that the audience score is a statistical measure, MOS places well within the margin of error thus making it effectively tied for second place with Superman II.


Superman The Motion Picture [86%]
Superman II [76%]
Man of Steel [75%]
Batman v Superman [63%]
Superman Returns [61%]
Superman III [23%]
Superman Quest for Peace [16%]
Th3Batman
Th3Batman - 12/15/2022, 12:16 PM
I loved Snyder's trilogy and what he did with Superman, as well as what Cavil did with him. With that said, this version of the character simply didn't work for the general audience, whether we personally liked it or not, so it's definitely time to move on.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 12/15/2022, 12:17 PM
As I’ve said, I don’t really like any of Cavill’s films as Superman (except for maybe ZS Justice League), but he still had the potential to be a fantastic Superman and never was given the chance with the creative teams that he was a part of.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 12/15/2022, 12:19 PM
Oh so everyone hates and mocks the other lists, but we're cool with this list?
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 12/15/2022, 12:23 PM
@DarthOmega - Josh right now. But what about my lists?
MrDandy
MrDandy - 12/15/2022, 12:19 PM
1. Zack Snyder Justice League- 6/10
2. Man of Steel- 4/10
3. Justice League- 3/10
4. Batman v Superman- 3/10
dracula
dracula - 12/15/2022, 12:20 PM
If Man Of Steel had been this


he probably would have had a more satisfying run (probably wouldnt force batman into the second movie either)
Spoken
Spoken - 12/15/2022, 12:27 PM
....like he barely DID anything lol.

I didn't mind his Superman except we never were able to see THAT Superman. I had hoped a sequel would just explore a Superman movie to explore his character. This is why audience members

No. Let's throw Batman...not just Batman but WONDER WOMAN! No...not good enough? Let's throw AQUAMAN, THE FLASH, CYBORG AS CAMEOS! Throw in Death of Superman for good measure!

There is zilch of character development other than the main general story that fleshes out throughout the series, and even when it does try to be of service of the universe, we get these half-baked cameos in silhouettes, or never thought out characters who show very few progression.

The DCEU was nothing more about then putting duct tape on a leaky pipe, over, and over, and over again hoping the leak stops. Now here is Gunn to rip out the whole [frick]ing plumbing system to put new pipes for modern day use.

I like him, good actor...but just nah man......its done with. I'm good.

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