Stephen Amell Admits ARROW Flashbacks Were Crafted On The Fly, Talks Flash-Forward Possibilities

Stephen Amell Admits ARROW Flashbacks Were Crafted On The Fly, Talks Flash-Forward Possibilities

While discussing the future of Arrow with Entertainment Weekly, star Stephen Amell also addressed the show's maligned flashbacks and how the concept didn't pan out the way they thought it would...

By MattBellissimo - Feb 22, 2017 08:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Arrow
Source: EW
When Arrow first debuted on the CW in 2012, the show set up a story structure that told Oliver Queen's story in the present while flashing back to his time on the island of Lian-Yu. As the seasons went on, it was revealed that the narrative of "five years on an island" was a little misleading, as Oliver had actually been to Hong Kong, Russia, and even his home of Starling City in that span of time. While the current season of the show plans to conclude the flashbacks and show how Oliver got back to the island, many fans have grown weary of a storytelling device that seems directionless. 

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, star Stephen Amell addressed the possibilties of how Arrow may attempt to tackle or reinvigorate the "flashes" in future seasons, especially since there will be no more flashbacks.  "I am open and excited about any possible idea, whether that’s a simple flash-forward narrative that we carry through the season, which I think we did to varying degrees of success in season 4. If that means that simply the flashbacks do not exist anymore and it allows us to expand the universe in terms of focusing more on other people’s backstories, not even necessarily flashbacks of people’s home life, just their life outside of the Arrow cave, I think that’s interesting. We can do that because, quite simply, we have more time, we have more pages, we have more chance for dialogue."

Amell also admitted to the fact that the team behind Arrow never coherently planned Oliver's five-year story on the island, leading to the team to craft it as they went along, with the actor citing that as the "nature" of television shows. "I think that the key to a story like that is that — look, Green Arrow was obviously pitched as a five-year origin story, but we’re breaking the flashback story as we go along. There’s always an overarching plan, but it generally has to go season to season. Like, I don’t think we knew at the beginning of the season that at the end of season 2, Oliver would end up in Hong Kong. We don’t necessarily know that stuff, and that’s just the nature of episodic television in 23 episodes a year."

Amell did conclude that if a flash-forward (or similar device) were to be used, it would have to be properly planned out to avoid the issues they ran into with the flashbacks. "I think that the critical element, if we ever did something like a flash-forward, would be to make sure that we understood the precise beginning point and end point of that story and all the things that went into it, because I think that if we try to piecemeal it together, especially because it’s a flash-forward, that it just wouldn’t work."

Do you want to see flashforwards on Arrow, or would you rather the show just abandon the concept entirely? Let us know in the comments!
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ArkhamClown
ArkhamClown - 2/22/2017, 8:12 AM
Oh, Arrow... Just stop
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 2/22/2017, 8:14 AM
Which is exactly why the flashback concept stopped working...
HubbleFunk
HubbleFunk - 2/22/2017, 8:19 AM
S1 & S2 flashbacks demonstrated and strengthened the characterizations Of Oliver and Slade.

After season two the flashbacks didn't develop or resonate with what Oliver was presently going through emotionally. They were merely used to shoehorn in whatever the McGuffin for that particular season was.
AleSir19
AleSir19 - 2/22/2017, 10:13 AM
@HubbleFunk - In the first two seasons the Flashbacks were crucial for Oliver and Slade character arc.

But later on, the Flashbacks became explanations for the McGuffin, Season 3 flashbacks were about how Oliver became an assassin/monster and lose the little humanity he had left and also presented that poison they were going to use for the Finale.

Season 4 flashbacks presented the totem, and also worked like this dark mirror, of Oliver trying to find hope and a good life in the present while in the past he was an assasin and a monster. But they didnt work.

Until now, Season 5 flashbacks dont make too much sense.
HubbleFunk
HubbleFunk - 2/22/2017, 3:04 PM
@AleSir19 - The core of the problem comes down to the fact that Oliver's transformation is supposed to be directly connected to 5 solitary years on the Island... it worked really well in the first two seasons. Granted, he wasn't technically alone but he was oblivious to what was going on in the outside world. The direction they took with him going to Hong Kong etc could have worked, but they never pulled it off in a satisfying way. I've stopped watching Arrow after season 4.

To me, the show was at it's best when it focused on Oliver - Diggle - Felicity. As they expanded the cast it nerfed the Green Arrow where he used to be able to take out a mob operation on his own to suddenly not being able to take on multiple targets without the help of his inexperienced sister and an attorney. And sidelining Diggle for the most part when the antagonistic relationship between him and Oliver was a great part of the first two seasons - kinda like a buddy cop film.
AleSir19
AleSir19 - 2/23/2017, 6:05 AM
@HubbleFunk - The core problem of Arrow is that the showrunners never knew where the hell they were going with this show from day 1. They knew their main goal was to end up with Oliver Queen becoming "Green Arrow" but they didnt have a clear plan of how to get there.

And that clearly feels a lot in the narrative of each season, in the lack of development of character and a lot of other problems "Arrow" clearly has.

The 5 years flashbacks, have work (in some way) to explain how Oliver became that monster/creature that we find at the beginning of Season 1. Because at the end the goal is pretty simple, take this rich kid and make him do and see terrible things until the point he learns to do it and lose any hope.

Season 1 and 2 did a pretty great job doing that, Season 3 made a good job, it was a terrible choice to change the setup from the Island to Hong Kong but it wasnt a terrible one, because at the end, Oliver was forced to torture and become an assasin, that is the point where he lost any hope and learns he needs to fight fire with fire.

Season 4 Flashbacks didnt make any sense or add anything to the story, more to open the door for Season 5 the last season and the place where his "training" in doing and seeing terrible things is finish.

So at the end, for me the main problem with Arrow, is that in the Present, they didnt knew where they were going that was all.

They began to remake the same plot over and over again: An Evil Guy from the past of Oliver using something from the past of Oliver to take over his city and destroy it.

And they should have follow this path instead: Oliver begans to find hope again around him and begans to become the Green Arrow.

Instead in the present, everything that Oliver has done is to came back to his past habits and every time he finds hope or the chance of a new life, this chance goes to hell.
nibs
nibs - 2/22/2017, 8:24 AM
'Like, I don’t think we knew at the beginning of the season that at the end of season 2, Oliver would end up in Hong Kong. We don’t necessarily know that stuff, and that’s just the nature of episodic television in 23 episodes a year.'

This is precisely why these shows are garbage, FYI
SethBullock
SethBullock - 2/22/2017, 8:25 AM
Still can't believe how low this show has fallen. I used to think it was good back in seasons 1 and 2.
Kman
Kman - 2/22/2017, 8:26 AM
Can we flash forward to a time where the CW doesn't produce anymore comic book material? That's a world I would love to live in.
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