EDITORIAL: GOTHAM - What Can Make It A Better Series?

EDITORIAL: GOTHAM - What Can Make It A Better Series?

Gotham has so many options and so little time to convey them to an already rowdy and opinionated audience. Hit the jump to read some of my suggestions and questions about what can give this series a larger edge in keeping its already strong audience.

Editorial Opinion
By efcamachopmp - Sep 26, 2014 09:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Gotham
Source: The Voices Inside My Head


Gotham has been a general whipping boy on the level of red-headed stepchild by much of the fandom (sorry to the red-headed stepchildren of the world, no more of you will be backhanded during the course of this editorial). Mostly because of the issues audiences are having with the commonly stated “Batman series, without Batman” argument followed by the usual “meh” and *shrugs* most internet personalities choose to use today. Most of the time because it’s the comic-nerd-hipster-trendy thing to do. Then there's always the DC vs Marvel argument the fandom continues to popularly champion on the internet.

I’ve had various discussions, both online and sitting as a panelist at conventions, over the pros-and-cons of this series. While I’m a broken record making the same statement, “It’s Law & Order set to a Gotham City background in the DC Universe.” Nothing more. I have to amend my statement and consider that there are a variety of options we can likely see in the future of this show. It doesn’t just have to be a Law & Order format.

Even if we don’t expect certain things, if the ratings are negatively affected (at all) in terms of the direction the show takes, we can likely see adjustments to the series with a variety of the scenarios I’m going to discuss (suggest) below.
 


Even if the time period feels closer to our present day, the feeling of the series will still take on a film noir aspect and hopefully a gothic and baroque architecture styling that will invoke the glorious and eerie night of this particular city. One we’re used to seeing the Dark Knight use to his advantage as he swoops through it chasing criminals and super villains. Which honestly hasn't (really) been captured as gloriously Gothic as it was in the Burton films.

While this series focuses on recreating this tone and capturing the past of its myriad characters I’m hoping to see it shine with some golden age comic book love. By introducing Gotham to characters from the beloved Justice Society of America story arcs that were combined into the same universe as forefathers/predecessors of the Justice League. With many changes to the source material characters like the original Flash and Green Lantern, Jay Garrick & Alan Scott, both can (then) make appearances.

While those characters might be much too larger-than-life for Gotham if they appear as superheroes, I can easily see them show up just as their normal selves. Possibly before ever gaining any powers. Other characters like Wildcat having cameos as a much younger boxing champion, who happens to be a vigilante in Gotham, would be welcome. It would also provide a revisionist look at for Young Bruce to start his path toward training how to fight. Wildcat is all about breaking the fear of the attack and the fear of standing your ground when squaring off with your opponent. It all begs the question...
 

I'd also ask, which may be the more important question (at the very least a conversation starter)..

A question that makes me wonder if the answer lies in the fate of the first season and if it will be revisited if it succeeds to gain a 2nd.

I'd even Include suggestions that appearances be made by heroes like Sandman, Starman, Hourman and Dr. Mid-Nite. Atom’s, Al Pratt and even Jim Corrigan, who in the original comic was the Spectre and post-crisis killed Crispus Allen leading Crispus to become the Spectre (something I’ve already mentioned in my Gotham Breakdown article). Even if theses heroes are potentially only introduced by their secret identities, as opposed to their superhero personas, it would (again) be a welcome addition. I’m certain at some point we’re likely to get Vic Sage (The Question) as a detective of sorts whom is Montoya’s crime fighting mentor. Another detail we've also talked about in the Gotham breakdown article.
 

The Question
 


At the moment, the series introduced a large pantheon of would-be villains in a very heavy-handed pilot. The next episode will be focused on Selina Kyle, followed by Balloonman (yes, Balloon...Man) in the 3rd episode; a character that is no longer in the DC universe after the Crisis on Infinite Earths series of comics destroyed most of the multi-verse. So we know (based on this left-field character inclusion) we’re going to see heroes and villains (not always a super-villain version) that normally wouldn’t be included in this timeline. So outside of the box thinking (like above) is not fanciful or wild to speculate.


Sandman
 
Episode 4 will likely have a lot of opportunity to showcase a variety of characters, with a title like ‘Arkham’ I’m curious if Gordon and Bullock will be visiting the sprawling facility and if we’ll be able to spot the faces and/or nameplates of any of its current inmates.


Starman
 
I know a lot of readers of this article are still be on the fence over this series, while others sing its praises as the DC fandom tends to do. I’m wondering (for myself as well) what would make this show over-the-top for everyone watching and to attract those who are not. The only concept I have aside from what the network has been leaking about Cobblepot and the rest of the existing characters--Gotham will need to expand itself to include either lesser known heroes and villains (like Balloonman) or possibly include more characters from the JSA and even the Brave and the Bold line of comics (with obvious revisions).

I wouldn't go as far as saying that the superhero aspect need be superheroic. I think the overall focus of the show is always going to be on Jim Gordon in the Law & Order tradition of television sans the ubiquitously recognized "Dong Dong!" noise (although I'm surprised to not have seen a fan trailer or fanfiction using this yet). But that aspect doesn't need to remain in the generic crime stopping aspect of this series. It can also allow Gordon to bare witness to fanciful things that are frightening to him, due to his lack of understanding or anyone else for that matter. Because he's witnessing an era of meta-humans beginning to emerge where some of these beings may appear to be god-like to his understanding. While much of the expectation to this is nonexistent. There's no reason I can think of that wouldn't allow DC/WB/CW to open this up slowly and carefully to further our love and connection to this series. We may never get any type of super-heroics for that matter and it may be solely routed in baser human nature and psychology, like much of the Batman realm. I for one have high hopes.
 

I can imagine how difficult this series has been to compile. The whole concept is virgin territory and essentially a variety of beloved characters have to be redefined from their unknown youths in a manner that is both entertaining and meaningful in some way to the source material. In some cases it seems they’ve done beautifully, in others not so much. Already a lot of folks are upset over the Selina Kyle aspect (I’ve mentioned this a few times already). The opportunity is there to add a variety of other characters that can aid in an expository manner and be useful in a variety of plot scenarios to define the main cast. Whether we just want a fanboy set of unrealistic characters to make appearances or for the show to be enriched by a solid cast of recurring characters from the JSA & Brave and the Bold era of DC Comics. The future of this series is either going to be an interestingly great one or an interestingly amazing flop.

Where do you stand? What expectations, if any, do you have for Gotham? Who would you like to see make an appearance, regardless of how fanciful? Join the conversation, add to it, become part of it. Comment, share, tweet, send a bat signal (the flying spaghetti monster knows we're not going to see one in this series!)
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GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 9:58 AM
Whaaaaaaaaaat?????!!!!!
Minty
Minty - 9/26/2014, 9:58 AM
Awesome stuff Manny! A definite YES from me for the original JSA showing up. Characters like Sandman, Wildcat and the original Black Canary would work well in particular. God I hope this happens now - you've raised my expectations impossibly high haha!
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:00 AM
You can't judge a show too harshly after one episode give it time give it until midseason that you'll be able to tell how good or how great it could become. Arrow was pretty weak it's first you have a Sosna but towards the end of the season it became really good so give the showtime. Same thing happened to agents of shield it got better towards the end or towards the captain America tie in which I think it depends on a little too much but that's besides the point. Shows grow as they make mistakes and experiment with new plotlines & character development so let the show grow it has potential to be great
DarthSandwich
DarthSandwich - 9/26/2014, 10:00 AM
Sorry dude but this is kinda a lousy article. Adding more characters isn't going to fix it. What they need to do is slow down the pacing a little, stop cramming in characters and fix the dialogue. We have seen only the pilot so far and all this is easily fixable.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:01 AM
I doubt they had any these characters anytime soon but I can definitely see the question maybe showing up a few JSA members if theyre from gotham.
GuardianAngel
GuardianAngel - 9/26/2014, 10:01 AM
Pilot was alright, but it's hard to keep up a show where the entire premise relies on gimmicks.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/26/2014, 10:01 AM
@GodzillaKart I agree. I've said this a few times already--I know as a pilot it over-reached to showcase as much as they could...so I'm hoping the next set of episodes that seem more fixated on individual characters will be more visceral and enthralling in the writing. Kyle and Cobblepot, despite her awkward retcon to the Waynes murder was weird. I think they'll both be a strong force on the show.

Here's to hoping!
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:03 AM
@DeathSandwich Completely agree with you you can't just add a bunch of characters expect it to be a better show. developing the characters you already have makes the show better developing the plot lines you've already got .good writing really helps a show
yossarian
yossarian - 9/26/2014, 10:03 AM
I thought everyone was liking this show.
DemonBowler
DemonBowler - 9/26/2014, 10:04 AM
Alfred was great in the pilot!
"GET OFF THE BLOODY ROOF!"
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:05 AM
@GliderMan if the show was anything like zero year it would be amazing! I'm adding of Gotham was zero year instead of what it already is the show would be off the charts. If it could become like zero year towards final seasons that would be pretty impressive and very entertaining. It's really great that you suggested this
Pasto
Pasto - 9/26/2014, 10:05 AM
I'm just sitting here crying while listening to the 'I'm Spider-Man' song from TASM 2...
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/26/2014, 10:07 AM
@Comicsbornandbred I'm not but people do judge these shows harshly. I'm extremely anxious to see the returning viewership numbers and the ratings for the second episode.

I'm hoping the show does well, i'm a fan but I think if the ratings start to drop off they'll do drastic and reactionary things like throw in characters awkwardly. Similarly to what happened in Birds of Prey...I'm hoping some of what I wrote above, on a realistic level is in the works. But it does take time as you stated.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 9/26/2014, 10:08 AM
I like the tone of the show. Don't think costumed villains and heroes are really needed. I think Ben McKenzie can carry the show without caped characters.
Boehner
Boehner - 9/26/2014, 10:11 AM
Show relies too much on cameos, at least the pilot did, show needs more character development on people like the joker, joker has always been a mystery no matter what and I want him explored
DemonBowler
DemonBowler - 9/26/2014, 10:11 AM
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 9/26/2014, 10:11 AM
GOTHAM - What Can Make It A Better Series?"

I'm not sure yet. I've only seen a single, pilot, episode of the show. What could make it better? lol
SuperCat
SuperCat - 9/26/2014, 10:13 AM
LOL!! @ Neo
yossarian
yossarian - 9/26/2014, 10:14 AM
I just got the bitchiest call from the GF. The gist of it was she wanted to ask me why I put a half eaten piece of bread back in the bag. Because I only wanted half a piece of bread. That should be evident.

While we are asking questions, I have three:
1 - What is she doing opening the rye bread? She doesn't eat that.
2 - What is she doing home?
3 - Why did she change our volunteer night from Wednesday to Thursday? Goodbye Thursday Night NCAA football for me. Thanks.
GeekyCheekyChic
GeekyCheekyChic - 9/26/2014, 10:15 AM
They should be just a good cop vs mob show. Stop trying to set up villains that really can't pay off untIL Bruce becomes the bat.
They way they have ito now riddler joker and penguin would be 45 by the time The Batman shows up in Gotham.
Throw in the Question maybe Spectre and just make a great cop show.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/26/2014, 10:16 AM
@Neobaggins focus on individual characters, not try to retcon stories to make it all fit, focus on the crime aspect of Gotham by slowly introducing characters attached to said crimes. Add some of the rich history DC has for relatively the same timeline.

Hence the questions lol...
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 9/26/2014, 10:20 AM
yes! I had never though of using the JSA, I think Sandman could fit really well.
Tato
Tato - 9/26/2014, 10:21 AM
I like your ideas but I feel that wouldn't make the show any better. That is just the fan boy in me wanting to have super heroes. Lets focus on Gordon as a detective solving some very messed up cases. Maybe the writers should watch true detectives or hannibal, that would be a good model for them to follow.
ChuckV
ChuckV - 9/26/2014, 10:35 AM
"What Can Make It A Better Series?" Seems premature to ask that question.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 10:40 AM
The pilot was good. I have high hopes for this show now that I've seen it's potential. It's funny to think that just a week ago I was shitting on it.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 10:44 AM
@LexHairFight

I agree.

Although I think Gotham's pilot was much stronger than SHEILD's, I could see it making the same mistakes. AOS did get much better though, so all hope won't be lost if that is the case.

Hopefully all comic book shows look at AOS' first half of season one as a learning experience.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:46 AM
Is Alfred going to train Bruce or are we going to get a time jump in the series where he goes overseas or will he be trained privately with in the confines of his estate. By martial artists healer scientist that he'll harm self
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 10:46 AM
We can, we will bring Gotham back.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:47 AM
How will Selena affect Bruce and his growth? She going to show him the darker sides of God come take him you know who and what not really show him how far crime has reached? Will she show how she herself is it the kind of train Bruce and the ways of how to understand criminal how to read them and all types of stuff like that
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/26/2014, 10:48 AM
Gotham*
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 10:53 AM
Although I like the show, Ivy Pepper was as dumb as I thought she'd be. Who has the name Pepper anyway? It's a [frick]ing food.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/26/2014, 10:56 AM
Stupid name



What was wrong with Pamela Isley? Ivy Pepper is much more subtle. (sarcasm)
McGee
McGee - 9/26/2014, 10:56 AM
Manny....Manny....Manny...

All you had to say was boobs

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