GOTHAM Showrunners Want To Make The Joker Unique; Talks Villain Origin Stories

GOTHAM Showrunners Want To Make The Joker Unique; Talks Villain Origin Stories

The upcoming Batman TV prequel 'Gotham' has a big advantage on its side: they get to spend lots of time developing each character's story. Showrunners Bruno Heller and Danny Cannon talked about embracing the chance to delve into these origins.

By Abary - Jun 15, 2014 11:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Gotham
Source: MoviePilot

One of the many new Comic Book shows that will be premiering this
year is Fox's Gotham, which will follow the story of a younger Bruce Wayne and the infamous Gotham city that is run with crime. The showrunners, Bruno Heller and Danny Cannon, spoke with Moviepilot mostly about the villains that we will see in the series. We will be given some time to go into the backstories of the Batman's foes, and the duo were asked if they were going to embrace every aspect of the villains' stories. "Yeah, you have to," said Bruno Heller. "We’re not trying to turn it into Peter Sellars, the opera director. We’re not trying to do 'Oh my God, this is a whole different bizarre take on the whole world.' Like it’s set in Nazi Germany or something. The beauty of these characters is that everyone knows and loves them. It would be foolish not to embrace both the comic book aspect of it and the psychologically dark aspect of it, the funny aspect of it." With Oswald Cobblepott / Penguin, Edward Nygma / The Riddler, Selina Kyle / Catwoman, and some others all making appearances in the show, it's obvious that the one villain that seems to be missing is the Joker. While there are talks of the Joker making an appearance on the show, we don't know who is going to play him or how long we are going to wait until he appears. Bruno and Danny both laughed off the question of when we will get to see the character on the show, but Bruno started to vaguely talk about the character's appearance on the show. "I would say he is, for everyone involved to a degree because it’s about the villains, he’s the crown jewel in the villains’ crown. So we’re going to be very careful and thoughtful about how we roll that character out." Danny added that they wanted to make sure that the character was well worth it, instead of just having him on for the sake of including him. "We have the luxury in nobody’s ever really delved way back. The amount of thought and time we’ve been allowed to give that is terrific because when we finally do reveal the 'real' joker, and that’s a tip, it will be very thought out and worth the wait," he said.

The Joker hasn't really had much of a backstory in past Batman movies, so if he will appear in the show, he will probably be given a fair amount of character development. They were asked about taking on the challenge of giving the character a full backstory. "It is daunting but the way to take it on is not to go, 'Here it is' but 'Here it might be. Wait, it’s not that. It’s something else. Wait, it’s not even that.' I think that is the greatest tribute to the Joker, the fact that you may think it’s one thing, it ends up being something else because that guy, I think should never be able to be figured out," said Danny. While we will be seeing a lot of Batman villains make an appearance in some form on the show, it only seems like such a small portion of his greatest foes when you consider his massive rogues gallery that can only be compared to other top tier comic book characters such as Spider-Man or Superman. They were asked if there was any specific character that they'd like to introduce, such as Bane, Anarky, Hush, Killer Croc, Deadshot, or Clayface to name a few, to which Danny said, "I have a big pitch for Bruno of doing Mr. Freeze, the origin story of Mr. Freeze. I’m very excited about that one." When he was asked if he thought Mr. Freeze got much of a solid origin story in the past, he said, "No. So, we’re wide open on that one. The support from DC has been wonderful. Geoff Johns has been a really great person to work with because he knows everything, but he also empowers everybody to go, 'Hey man, that’s wide open. Go, go, go.' He really empowers us."

Going outside of just Batman's villains, another main focus that the show will be sticking to is the Gotham Police Department. A younger Jim Gordon will becom
e the main character of the show, which will be a step-up from his previous roles in other media, and will be the first time since the comics that we really get to explore his story. Of course there is a reason why Gordon is the focus of the show as there is something that the showrunners see in him that creates lots of potential for great stories. When asked why they made him the focus, Bruno said, "Because he’s the human moral center of the Batman myth. If Commissioner Gordon doesn’t allow Batman to operate then Batman doesn’t operate. He’s the link between the two worlds, between the dark and the light world. He had a career in a procedural sense. He’s a framework. He’s not a wacky character who goes off to do odd things. He’s a steady paternal figure inside the myth so he’s the natural lead there." The Gotham series, specifically the pilot episode, will focus primarily on the death of Bruce Wayne's parents, which eventually prompts him to don the cape and cowl to become Batman. They decided to start that storyline in the first episode, rather than having them die near the end of the season, possibly to add more focus on the pain it causes Bruce, something that we went into lots of detail on in Batman Begins, although we didn't see much of him as a child as he dealt with it. Bruno was asked if he thought it could have started earlier, but he and Danny believes that the show needed to start there. "Yeah, it could have, but storytelling for a big audience, you need to start with, in this case, the nativity. The moment everyone knows and understands and connects to.Did it have to start with the murder of Bruce Wayne’s parents? Could it have started even earlier?" When the show was screened, it received really great reviews. The show will hit your TV Screens this fall.


Bruno Heller (left) and Danny Cannon (right)

Everyone knows the name Commissioner Gordon. He is one of the crime world’s greatest foes, a man whose reputation is synonymous with law and order. But what is known of Gordon’s story and his rise from rookie detective to Police Commissioner? What did it take to navigate the multiple layers of corruption that secretly ruled Gotham City, the spawning ground of the world’s most iconic villains? And what circumstances created them – the larger-than-life personas who would become Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, Two-Face and The Joker. GOTHAM is an origin story of the great DC Comics super villains and vigilantes, revealing an entirely new chapter that has never been told. From executive producer/writer Bruno Heller (“The Mentalist,” “Rome”), GOTHAM follows one cop’s rise through a dangerously corrupt city teetering on the edge of evil and chronicles the birth of one of the most popular super heroes of our time.
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DEVLIN712
DEVLIN712 - 6/15/2014, 11:30 AM
I think this is a good thing, it's pretty rare that we see two different renditions of the Joker that are the same. I support them taking their own spin on the character.
DEVLIN712
DEVLIN712 - 6/15/2014, 11:31 AM
That said, I'd like to see them do the whole Red Hood gang back story. I think it'd suit the theme of Gotham pretty well
Tuuralihn
Tuuralihn - 6/15/2014, 11:35 AM
I loathe the entire concept of doing another origin story for Batman. EVERYONE KNOWS THE ORIGINS OF THE BATMAN. Do something new goddammit. 3 Bruce Waynes/Batmen in 10 years? Piss off.
Klone
Klone - 6/15/2014, 11:37 AM
Argh! The Joker isn't meant to have a definitive origin! That's apart of the character's essence. Even the one in The Killing Joke is highly likely to be a fake one!

First they have zero subtly with Bruce screaming and now this?
MrBlackJack
MrBlackJack - 6/15/2014, 11:39 AM
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/15/2014, 11:49 AM
I wonder who will be happy first.........Sansa Stark or MAC aka Klone?

JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/15/2014, 11:57 AM
@ MrSoto

I a full game for this show........yeah I know you and Batmaniac are not happy but I think this show can hit it out of the park.
Klone
Klone - 6/15/2014, 11:59 AM
@JoeMomma

Sorry I don't swallow up everything.
DrAtom
DrAtom - 6/15/2014, 12:01 PM
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 6/15/2014, 12:12 PM
I hate to be *that* guy, but I think there's a difference between "character development" and "backstory".

Does anyone truly believe that the Joker, in most of his iconic appearances in the comics and especially in The Dark Knight, suffered from a lack of character development simply because they never explained his backstory? Does anyone think he was a 1-dimensional, cardboard-cutout character?

Backstory informs us of who the character was in the past. Character development informs us of how the character is going to change (or, in the case of the Joker or Captain America, stay the same) now. And the latter is MUCH more important than the former. Backstory is important, but there's always exceptions. The complex, chaotic character of the Joker is definitely one of them.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 6/15/2014, 12:15 PM
The fact that this show seems obsessed with coming up with backstories for every. single. character. is a HUGE warning sign to me. Sometimes, you don't need a carefully laid-out backstory for everyone. Sometimes, you just need smart, interesting, compelling stories in the present to suck us into the story. Hopefully this show ends up going in that direction.
BATMANx
BATMANx - 6/15/2014, 12:33 PM
This will be interesting if they do Joker backstory.. what drives a man to break and go insane with no meaning
AC1
AC1 - 6/15/2014, 12:58 PM
The main thing I disliked about the idea of this show was that it had been suggested they may give Joker an actual origin story. Now that they're effectively saying "His origin story may not be true" and that there may even be multiple, conflicting versions is actually a huge relief. Think I might actually give this a shot now (although I'm still presuming I'll enjoy 50% and despise the other half).
SuperSpiderMan5778
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 6/15/2014, 1:44 PM
wake me up when Batman shows up
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 6/15/2014, 3:15 PM
Bleh.
Indy
Indy - 6/15/2014, 3:40 PM
no thanks.
staypuffed
staypuffed - 6/15/2014, 4:01 PM
I am open to the Joker having an origin story. The Red Hood Gang in Zero Year is brilliant.
Mike89
Mike89 - 6/15/2014, 5:49 PM
This is just what i thought. Here's a fun fact, the joker has never had a definitive origin story. His backstory has always been a complete mystery, that even his back story in the killing joke isn't clear given the fact that we never knew his real name. The fact that his backstory is a complete mystery is part of what makes the character so interesting.

Shit this is why show is crap.
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 6/15/2014, 7:55 PM
No one has been asking for this. I could go on and on about different comic characters that didn't have a true origin back story. Then when they finally got one it made the character less interesting. So how about no thanks.
case
case - 6/16/2014, 5:28 AM
That doesn't sound too bad.

It's not like it really matters what origin they give him anyway, it'll be just another to add to the many.
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