@bkmeijer1 - It seems like the jury is still out on whether we see the likes of Jessica Jones or Luke. But I think we should see Matt team with other street-level vigilantes and Angela would fit so well. She's new, she's FBI which Daredevil has a history with and he is the one who sort of trained and ushered her into being a vigilante.

@bkmeijer1 - I would bet any amount of money that Marvel is introducing DD now and establishing him in the MCU (starting with NWH) with the intention of him being in the next Spidey movie, especially as I believe Kevin has said that they are taking Spidey street-level with SM4. It makes perfect sense. Get the GA used to Matt/DD in the MCU via various D+ shows so that then you can pair him with Spidey in SM4 with little to no backstory. There's just a common reason that they hook up, like both investigating the same crime syndicate (Silvermane, Hammerhead, etc.) and decide to team up. Along the way they figure out that they know each other. Or not (doesn't really matter). Either way, this practically writes itself, and if we think that Marvel hasn't heard our "fan cries" about SM and DD teaming up then we're fooling ourselves. Remember: Overlord Kevin hears all, he sees all, and he will give us all what he thinks we want. Until, ya know, we don't and then there's an online outrage over it. But on this one I think that we're all pretty united so I totally expect it to happen.

@bkmeijer1 - Yes yes and yes. Are you listening Marvel? 😊 So to me, being as we know that moving forward (at least or the near future, based on what 'Ol K-Dog has said, we're going to have a more street-level Spidey. And it makes sense. I mean, to me, his whole MCU arc has made sense so far, even though it didn't stick directly to the comics (but then again, it was established early on that the MCU wasn't beholden to the comics anyway). Peter went through a TON a crazy shit on his way to figuring out exactly who he was and he paid a HUGE price for it. Now he's back to basics, because that's all he has. Sad, but that's always been Peter's lot in life.

So it makes perfect sense that we're now going to be moving forward with street-level Spidey, which of course opens up a whole new world of adversaries and situations (and possible team-ups) for him.

Okay with that whole preamble out of the way, I think that DD and the F4 are the most likely places we'll se Spidey next. I mean, Kevin likes to talk about how his goal for the MCU is to make the stories flow organically (which I think is one of the main reasons that they work so well), so OF COURSE it makes sense that now that we have DD and KP in the MCU, the DD show on the way and "Echo" before that, rumors of the Punisher, etc. I think that they are DEFINITELY setting the stage for a street-level Spider-Man 4. An dwho wouldn't want to see that? Spidey and DD going up against KP, Scorpion, maybe some other lackeys before they get to KP like Shocker, Hammerhead, Silvermane, etc. This movie could be completely amazing (pun intended).

@bkmeijer1 - Yeah, it will be interesting how they balance what happens in the "Freshman Year" cartoon and what happens in the (assumed) new trilogy, which will presumably focus on the street level stuff before building inevitably to something bigger.

Regarding the FF appearance, I agree that it should wait until FF2 so that the focus of the first movie is on the team and not Spidey. But... they can (and should) introduce the dynamic between Peter and Johnny in the A:KD and/or A:SW movies so that when they do FF2 afterward it plays on that. Man, they better get those contract negotiations with Tom going because he's got a LOT more than one more appearance in an ensemble movie to go.

@bkmeijer1 - I agree on all accounts. With "Freshman Year" they can kinda do something similar to what they are doing with "She-Hulk" in the sense of the "villain if the week" thing with lesser-known Spidey villains, while also building a through-put narrative. And as Marvel keep changing their minds about whether or not "Freshman Year" takes place within the current MCU or another universe (I think that it's currently the latter), if they do decide to have it be in the MCU Spidey can initially face those low-level criminals (like you mentioned) and it wouldn't really change anything in the current MCU canon.

On your second point: yes, yes, and uh yes. Well that was short.

@bkmeijer1 - Yeah, it will be interesting to see hw the intertwine Spidey:FY with the MCU, if they do at all. I thin I've read that it's just another universe separate from the MCU (like "What If?" and that gives the opportunity to pull something from that universe into the MCU if they want, like they did with Captain Carter. Makes sense. That way they can workshop stuff in animation and pull it into live action if there is enough demand (like Captain Carter). I'm sure that they already have at least the next Spidey movie already planned out, if not the whole next trilogy (I'm assuming that you've heard of Feige's wall where he has like the next decade of NCU stuff planned out, at least to a certain degree (think John Nash from "A Beautiful Mind" but probably no yarn... well, maybe yarn). That being said, it seems that they have the leeway to change things (i.e. characters, minor plot points, etc.) as they go, allowing for the possible inclusion of characters that may become fan favorites through their others shows, so it's entirely possible that if they introduce a female Doc Ock in Spidey:FY and she becomes a fan favorite they'll include her in one of the future Spidey films. So we'll see...

@bkmeijer1 - Agreed. I think that when it comes to the first trilogy of MCU Spidey movies, Feige's "what if Sony wants to work with us?"plan was essentially a 3 movie originally story, which is something that's been unique to the MCU being as the origin stories usually are like the new character's first movie (i.e. Iron Man1, Thor 1, Dr. Strange 1, etc.), generally what people call the "MCU formula" (which really isn't their formula anymore if you think about it).

So I think that in the case of Spidey, they kind of flipped it and skipped the actual origin story (the radioactive spider bite, etc.) but instead did the same traditional "origin story" for him, but just on a much larger scale, which I think that aa lot of people miss. Like if you were to abstract Spidey's traditional origin story (just like Batman has his traditional origin story, same with Super-Man, DD, etc.), you can basically summarize it as this: he's a smart geek in high school->he has a girl that he likes->he gets bitten by the spider->he gets his powers and figures out how to use them->he acts selfishly with his powers->someone (a mentor) that he cares about dies and it's his fault->he comes out of it all realizing the "great power..." thing-> becomes the "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" that we all know and love.

So I think that in all 3 modern iterations of Spidey they have done that path, it's just that for MCU Spidey I think that Marvel figured that we'd seen that all played out already, so when they decided to do their "origin story" for MCU Spidey it had to be something different but the same, and I think that they definitely accomplished that.

So now that we have his MCU origin story finished, it's on to the street-level Spidey stories that we want, with the occasional high-stakes crossover as well. AND, do we think that it's any coincidence that this next iteration of Spidey is going to be more ground-level (by Kevin's own admission) just as we're introducing the Netflix ground-level characters to the MCU (and thereby creating yet another facet of the MCU which Spidey (probably along with DD will headline))? Don't think so. It's almost like they had some kind of plan or something... 😉.

Anyhow, sorry for the novella, but I was in a meeting with higher-level leadership trying to tell us why everything's great and we shouldn't be updating our resumes right now and blah blah blah so I found a better use of my time.

@bkmeijer1 - Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Feige's hats operate something like Infinity Stones with each hat possessing a power like "the cure for cancer", "the cure for blindness", "how to make beer that doesn't give you a hangover", etc. Naturally, he's selfishly keeping it to himself, but one day, ONE DAY, when he's least expecting it...

Anyhow, yeah, can't wait to see what they do with "comic accurate, street-level" Spidey now over the presumable next trilogy. I mean they set it up perfectly by the end of NWH. So now it's just a matter of contract negotiations and announcements. Waiting with bated breath...

@WakandaTech - he’s got an amazing roster but I think X-Men, Fantastic Four, Superman, and Flash have him beat.

@AnthonyVonGeek - He's shown up recently in Chip Zdarsky's run, although he's basically just been turned into a Doc Ock knockoff.

@soberchimera - now I had heard about this in passing before, but never knew if it was legit. Thanks for the info.