MARVEL'S IRON FIST: The Good, The Bad, and the In-Between

MARVEL'S IRON FIST: The Good, The Bad, and the In-Between

We all wanted Marvel's Iron Fist to be good, but did it live up to the hype? Hit the jump for my look at the show's pros and cons. (It took me like 2 hours to write this. Please read.) SPOILERS FOLLOW

Editorial Opinion
By GliderMan - Mar 18, 2017 08:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Iron Fist

(spoilers for the Iron Fist show and comics follow)

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Well Lord have mercy, everybody's got an opinion on Marvel's Iron Fist. If you saw it trending on Twitter yesterday, you would have seen tweet after tweet of fanboys everywhere viscously defending Iron Fist from the evil critics. However, others doubled down, saying that even DC's TV shows on the CW surpass this Marvel offering. 

And then there's me, who disagrees with everyone and everything.

I got up at 4 AM yesterday to binge-watch the series. After the first 3 episodes, I was loving it so much that I got cocky. "Iron Fist is great and Inhumans is in good hands." I commented that on 2 different CBM articles. I forgot to knock on wood.

In my defense, critics were given the first 6 episodes to watch and base their reviews around, and I still don't know how they came to the conclusion that they did. In my opinion, the first 5 episodes were the best of the whole show, with the 6th being pretty good as well. Episode 7 and beyond is when things start to get messy.

The Good

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I cannot stress enough how much I love this cast. Everybody loves Rosario Dawson's Claire Temple, so her inclusion is always welcome—but the two leads Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick absolutely kill it as Danny Rand and Colleen Wing, respectively. They bring two great characters to life. I've seen a lot of people express angst over Jones' portrayal of Iron Fist—a little too naive, a little too childlike—but I've read enough interviews to know this was part of the story arc; instead of just giving us B, they wanted to show how he went from A to B. I for one actually appreciate that, as it gives more story.
(& while I'm at it, I'll go ahead and say that I am 100% aboard the Danny/Colleen ship. Before I started the show, I really wanted to see Danny wind up with Misty Knight; that has been thrown out the window. Danny and Colleen are perfect together.)

I also loved the Meachums; some people said they were boring and shallow, but I feel the opposite. Ward and Joy were 2 very intriguing characters and I'm already ready to see them again in the future. David Wenham's Harold Meachum was... unique? Interesting? Wenham did a good job portraying him, but he was definitely overused here. I particularly did enjoy the ending that showed Davos telling Joy how they can go about killing Danny; after 13 hours, this moment was earned. It was heart-wrenching, and it also honored the original Iron Fist comics. 

In some of the initial reviews I read, many critcized the show's direction in examining corporations, or as Jeph Loeb put it the "one percent of the one percent," implying that the mystical elements were what drew fans to the property, not analyzing the upper class. I respectfully reject this. For one thing, this show needed to have a focus on New York City as it has been described as "the fifth Defender,"—NYC being just as much of a character as anyone else. I really enjoy that concept, and in my opinion the Wall Street focus worked; it was one of my favorite things about the series. However, though I loved it in season one, K'un L'un needs to become more of a focus post-Defenders as the "fifth Defender" aspect will already have been explored and established.


The Bad

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I don't want to say it, ugh please somebody stop me from saying it............ he didn't use his powers enough.

When I started reading up on the original Iron Fist comics, I learned that this was actually canon; Danny couldn't channel his chi too much because using it took a toll on him. And I'm glad they kept this from the comics, but I don't like the extent to which this was adapted. Maybe making his hand glow up costs too much, but hell, at some point it just turns into blonde Daredevil. (I know Matt does mixed martial arts and this is straight up kung-fu, but still.)

Another thing that rubbed me the wrong way was all the changing they did with Wendell Rand, Danny's father. They took away his rivalry with Davos and, presumably, his time spent in K'un L'un altogether. As much as I loved that in the books, I can accept this change. Having the Danny/Davos rivalry be more personal helps the story. However, it's hinted that Wendell was taking his family to China to search out Madame Gao's heroin stash rather than searching for K'un L'un. I hope this is rectified in the future. Wendell's desperate search for K'un L'un comes from his time spent with Orson Randall, the previous Iron Fist, and is an important part of the whole damn mythology. It needs to be canon.

It was disappointing—and I mean really disappointing—that we didn't get the comic book costume or see Shou-Lao the Undying, but I want to go a step further from there and talk about this show's struggle with the mystical elements as a whole.

Realistic vs Magical

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The Marvel-Netflix collaborations have been pretty grounded as a whole. Purple Man wasn't purple, Hand ninjas didn't go up in smoke at their deaths, and MCU references as a whole are kept to a minimum. However, with Iron Fist we're talking about a property that isn't "grounded and realistic" at all. 

What showrunner Scott Buck did here is one of the most bizarre contradictions: They kept much of Iron Fist's mystical backstory but refused to embrace much of the other mythology. Danny can be the champion of an inter-dimensional Heaven-like city, but the Bride of Nine Spiders (an IMMORTAL WEAPON from another one of the other Seven Capitol Cities of Heaven) needs to be a sexy lab scientist. Danny's powers are still gained from punching a dragon in the heart, but Zhou Cheng (this guy with a monster living inside of him who is tasked with killing every Iron Fist) is reduced to an alcoholic that knows kung-fu. 
UPDATE: Apparently one of the fighters in episode 6 was supposed to be Dog Brother—another Immortal Weapon. Now I'm re-pissed. Why would they shit on our favorite comics like this?

I think the people making this show were afraid these elements wouldn't work in the corporate Wall Street world, but I would argue that they most certainly can go hand-in-hand. If it can work with Danny Rand—and it did—it can work with the other characters as well. 

What's good about this is that pretty much all of the problems I found in this show can be rectified in future seasons. 

The In-Between

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I have no idea how I feel about Iron Fist's depiction of Davos, the Steel Serpent. Sacha Dhawan definitely makes Davos a badass, but his inclusion in this season not only feels a bit rushed, but the fight in episode 12 does not feel earned. We know there's tension and jealousy between the two, but because we only spend a few episodes exploring the dynamic, it just comes off as another cliche. 

Anyway, there's no changing any of this now, so we can only hope that they do him justice in the future. With Iron Fist being so poorly received, it's unclear if we'll be getting another season or not. If we do, they definitely need to get a better showrunner to craft the story (Steven DeKnight, anyone?). Another option would be to turn Luke Cage season 2 into a Heroes For Hire team-up, and put Cheo Hodari Coker in charge. I feel like that would be great, and there's a lot of themes and character dynamics they could explore there. 
 
My conclusion? Iron Fist isn't quite 17% on Rotten Tomatoes bad, but it had so much potential to be better.

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Kyos
Kyos - 3/18/2017, 11:20 AM
Can't read since I still have... about 10 1/2 episodes to go. ^^ I'll try to look at your points once I'm finished.
528491
528491 - 3/18/2017, 11:34 AM
Finished all 13 episodes earlier today, and i'm really struggling to see what all the criticism was about.

Probably the worst thing you can say about it is that its a little bit "conventional" as far as superhero origin shows go, occasionally lapsing into well worn tropes, but its solid enough in all the areas that count - script, acting, direction, editing, etc. Occasionally it pushes its budget a bit too far for my liking, but overall its amazing what they were able to achieve given the resources.

Contrary to many people, i found the first few episodes to be genuinely intriguing, and i thought the idea to treat the more outlandish aspects of Danny's origin as the tall-tales of a mad-man to be an interesting angle to explore things from. In many ways it allowed them to "have their cake and eat it", by having the character both grounded firmly in the established "real world" style of the other Defenders, whilst not having to jettison the more wacky out-there elements of his origins entirely, which I think is quite clever.

The series for me did sag somewhat during the middle third, as we revisited many common staples of the other Netflix shows, such as Drugs, Triads, Organised Crime, Dockyards, Hallway Fights, etc - however the final 5 episodes then took us into some really cool new directions, with lots more exploration of the comic book mythology, along with some genuinely surprising twists and turns.

Overall i'd give it a 7/10 and would probably place it just ahead of Luke Cage in the Netflix rankings so far.
528491
528491 - 3/18/2017, 11:47 AM
On the subject of the changes made to the mythology of Davos/Wendell/Orson, etc, i also feel the changes here were ultimately for the betterment of the show - it provides a more personal connection between Danny and Davos' rivalry, as well as simplifying his overall arc to being a more straightfoward "outsider" story, rather than being one that is intertwined with a complicated lineage of other Rands and other Iron Fists - personally i find much of that detracts from Danny's uniqueness, so i am happy they made that change.

I think though as you suggest, i would have liked to have seen them preserve the fact that Wendell has prior knowledge of Kun Lun - i think having him and Harold Meachum being involved in a bitter race to find Kun Lun for themselves would have been a much more interesting backstory to their rivalry and a better motivation for Meachum's betrayal than the standard corporate takeover stuff.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/18/2017, 11:48 AM
I'm 2 episodes in. And I have to say I'm actually enjoying the slow burn on this. Made it absolutely awesome the first time he used his powers to break out in episode 2. Can't wait to watch more. Will come back to this when I finish.
MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 3/18/2017, 11:58 PM
My favorite part of the show was actually the first six episodes.

Danny was put through HELL in that first half.

It was gut-wrenching every time he was shoo'ed away by his old friends, and especially when those friends put him in a mental hospital.


All this made me want to stand up and cheer with teary eyes, once that doctor figured it out, and Hogarth took 'em all to court.


Danny is home.
MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 3/19/2017, 12:09 AM
Davos was great.

I'm familiar with the comics, but I feel like all the changes made him better.

I like how he was supressing his jealousy, and genuinely cared for Danny and the Iron Fist. Davos loves Danny and the Iron Fist, and he's honest and open about how he wished it was him.

They don't become enemies, because Davos is evil. He's not. They become enemies, because Danny becomes the Iron Fist and LEAVES Kun Lun. On top of that he doesn't wanna return.

In Davos' head, Danny left Davos and stole the Iron Fist. Putting Kun Lun at risk, and for what?


I loved that.
MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 3/19/2017, 12:19 AM
My favorite thing about the show is Danny's naiveté and trust in others being torn to pieces bit by bit.


Wow, Madame Gao is an evil bag of bones.


She wins every time.


Danny is used and manipulated by everyone. They make him question everything from Colleen to Kun Lun.


Then there's Bokuto. What a motherfocker.

MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 3/19/2017, 1:05 AM
My biggest gripe with this show is the lack of costume.


HOWEVER, I understand why they went without it.


Everybody knows that Danny Rand is the Iron Fist.

It's a very personal story, where both his allies and enemies are very close to him.

Why would he wear a mask to fight "Uncle Harold" or Madame Gao? They knew him before he was even born.

The costume wouldn't make sense.

Though I would have loved to see some sort of ceremonial garb, when he goes to fight The Hand's top warriors. That was a formal thing, and a costume would be great for that one episode.


If Danny ever starts fighting regular crime, though, he better wear a costume with a mask and everything.

Anything else would be ridiculous.
TheDonOfGotham
TheDonOfGotham - 3/19/2017, 3:26 AM
After finishing Ep.6 I'm on the fence on whether I want to keep going. I was kinda turned off by 1 & 2, but I stuck it out and found a lot to like in 3-5, but 6 turned me off again.

I think I'll do an episode every couple of days. Hopefully I'll make it through the entire season.

Going forward, I think they need to do some major retooling and correct things. Defenders might be too far along, so that means looking to Season 2.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 3/19/2017, 5:04 AM
yeah, it was pretty bad, but i disagree with many of your reasons. ward and joy were awful and cliche characters. the first two episodes spend it trying to convince that randy wasnt randy and they were assholes. like a [frick]ing cartoon. and let me not start with danny. i havent read iron fist so i know very little about it, but he wasnt a warrior monk. he got angry easily and made irrational choices. why would he force his way in the building by beating up the guards? that was something that idiot would do. also he had pts which would be fine for an ordinary person, but for a monk? i can keep going but i think i made my point.
TopherH
TopherH - 3/19/2017, 3:32 PM
@Superheromoviefan - I think they were trying to parallel the hand and K'un L'un, in dealing with his "warrior monk". They wanted to make him more relatable (with the PTSD from his training), and they built up the show around the fact that he isn't a warrior monk, like you said.

He was trained to be their protector; the living weapon. Sure, he isn't used exactly like the comics, but they expanded on one of his nicknames in a literal sense. Weapons are used by people, to hurt people. Simple as that. This show/season represented the struggle between his humanity and his teachings; that he's a weapon designed to kill the hand.

In K'un L'un, it was black and white. In the real world, there's a whole bunch of gray.
TopherH
TopherH - 3/19/2017, 3:56 PM
@TragicBronson - And I think they got that point across perfectly.

You might not agree, absolutely your choice.

Think about it like this.

He was trained in K'un L'un to be USED as their protector; their weapon.

The Meachums (mostly Harold) wanted to USE him to seek and actively take down The Hand.

Bokuto wanted to USE him to get rid of the other faction of The Hand (Madame Gau), by way of Colleen.

Think of it as a "prodigal son"-type movie (E.G. Lion King, Iron Man, Burton's Batman, etc). The subplot of this season is 'purpose.' Is he more than just a weapon? Answer: yeah, he is. He stumbles there to finding that answer, and sure it's cliche, but it works, somewhat.

It's not amazing, but for what it is; it isn't terrible. It might not get it's point completely across, but it tries.
Gab
Gab - 3/19/2017, 5:28 AM
GREAT WRITE UP!!!!! BAD SHOW!!!! SORRY!
RextheKing
RextheKing - 3/19/2017, 10:24 AM
Wasn't a great show, but it was good. Definitely worth watching and enjoying.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/20/2017, 6:55 AM
I've finished episode 6. I like it so far. Episode 3 was bad. But so far I like it. It is very talkative. A lot of dialogue. It's different than the other Defenders shows for sure. Not as much action. My only real complaint so far, is because of the pace, it's very hard to binge watch. I had already finished all the other shows by now. And I'm only on episode 7.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/23/2017, 10:03 AM
What I didn't like about the Easter eggs though, was how easy it is for you to just yell at your TV for Claire to get help. Sure Luke's unavailable, but Claire being around as much as she was, and actually going on missions was just cringe worthy. Call Daredevil or Jessica Jones. This show just made it too easy for viewers to have this complaint.
monsterswin
monsterswin - 3/25/2017, 10:40 PM
Eh. Not great and also not completely terrible, but definitely not something I would bother to go back and watch again either. Ok so now IF has been introduced and its out of the way. Give him the costume, let him channel his power better and get on with it AND let's see him bouncing off of the other Defenders. Especially LC.
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