LOKI Head Writer Reveals Episode 5 Was "Nuked" By Marvel Studios And Rewritten In A Weekend

LOKI Head Writer Reveals Episode 5 Was "Nuked" By Marvel Studios And Rewritten In A Weekend

Loki Head Writer Eric Martin has revealed that Marvel Studios decided to scrap his favourite episode of the Disney+ series, leaving him to rewrite the penultimate chapter in just a single weekend...

By JoshWilding - Nov 13, 2023 06:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Loki
Source: Script Magazine

Loki season 2 is being hailed as Marvel Studios' greatest TV show by many fans, with some fans going so far as to say it's the best MCU content we've had during the entire Multiverse Saga. 

Eric Martin replaced Michael Waldron as Head Writer, though he recently revealed that he rewrote big chunks of season 1 after Waldron was tasked with working on Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. The writer is clearly a very special talent, something that's evident from the fact he had to pen season 2's fifth episode in the space of a single weekend!

Yes, that standout effort with the God of Mischief rounding up his friends before they were plucked from the Sacred Timeline by He Who Remains was dreamed up in the space of just a couple of days!

Talking to Script Magazine, the Loki scribe opened up on the original version of that penultimate chapter being "nuked" by Marvel Studios. 

"I think [Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead] did just incredible work across [episode 5]. And that was the one that we were most intimately involved in together," he says. "Our [original] episode five had gotten nuked. The previous version was the one that they came on because of. It was their favorite episode."

"And so then that one got nuked and we had to come up with something new, there was this mind meld. In writing that, that was just something I had to go write in a weekend. There was no time. We were in prep and this thing just needs to be done."

"I'm just so focused on telling this story and doing it in the most emotional way possible and trying to envision some of these things, but really seeing what they did with that; that final moment where everything is just falling apart for Sylvie in that record shop? What was in my head was quite emotional," Martin continues. "But what they did with all of that, with everything slowly creeping, and then finally she sees Lyle, the record store guy, just dissolve in her hands."

"It worked on such a level that I really thought they elevated that scene beyond what I even had in mind."

Asked to elaborate on why the original version of the episode was scrapped, Martin says it boiled down to it being "something that the studio wasn't into." However, as great as what we ended up with was, it sounds like we missed out on a wild hour of television. 

"It would have been one of the stranger things that the MCU had ever done. It was a big swing," he teases. "It was a really big conceptual swing and I think dramatic swing. When that got nuked, it was funny because that was the thing where people would stop me in the hallways like, 'Oh man, I'm so sorry. Like, that was my favorite episode.'"

"People were really bummed about it. But, you know, again, I think the studio was right. I think what we had was really good, I think really interesting, but it may not have fit within the show the way that this episode did. There was no time to question it or to even mourn it. It was just like, 'All right, well, whatever. We just have to jump in and just do it.'"

Chances are we'll never find out what Martin had planned and it's hard not to wonder whether it might have been a good idea for Marvel Studios to try something off-kilter enough to make them nervous. Still, without knowing what was previously in store for this fifth instalment, we can't fault what proved to be a brilliant lead-in to the jaw-dropping finale. 

All six episodes of Loki are now streaming on Disney+.

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TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 11/13/2023, 7:01 AM
Hm. Interesting. Well, it all worked out in the end. Maybe he can incorporate whatever the idea was into a future project.
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 11/13/2023, 7:01 AM
I'm a person who has a vision and I want to stick with it.i hate being told what to do. Always been that way.

Me and hollyweird especially Disney would not get along if they ever told me to rewrite or shoot a scene.


MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 11/13/2023, 7:06 AM
@Lokiwasright - Don't worry, they won't tell you.
Blergh
Blergh - 11/13/2023, 7:13 AM
@Lokiwasright - that’s what separates an auteur and a professional director.
Directors know how to compromise, lose a small battle for a small concession on the studios side.
That’s why people like us will never get to make big films
Vigor
Vigor - 11/13/2023, 8:32 AM
@Blergh - can't you just do as they say until you make it, then when you finally have full autonomy, you make your own?
Origame
Origame - 11/13/2023, 8:56 AM
@Lokiwasright - and that's also why they have the expression "starving artist".
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 11/13/2023, 10:02 AM
@Lokiwasright - "Me and hollyweird especially Disney would not get along if they ever told me to rewrite or shoot a scene."

Fortunately, that's not a scenario you'll ever have to worry about.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 11/13/2023, 11:51 AM
@Lokiwasright - LOL! The creative process on this level sometimes requires multiple people. It's not about being told what to do, it's about collaborating.

So yeah, I'm sure you don't get along with a lot of people. And that's probably why you're on a CBM forum instead of pursuing a successful career.

But yeah, keep concerning yourself with how you wouldn't get along with the incredibly successful Marvel Studios...😂
TheSkank
TheSkank - 11/14/2023, 5:20 AM
@Tonic24k - Uh. You’re here, too, sir. Damn.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/14/2023, 11:03 AM
@Blergh - wait you are an auteur?
Juame11
Juame11 - 11/14/2023, 12:33 PM
@Lokiwasright - it's almost like noone cares. That's not how real life works noone cares if you don't like be told what to do. Join the military with that attitude and see were it gets you🤣 yeah, I'm sure you don't get along with people that why your here in a online forum bitching thinking it makes you look cool but sure continue with your delusional life
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 11/13/2023, 7:05 AM
Yeah it was clear while watching it. I mentioned it here couple of days ago that whole episode had nothing going on.

It was scene after scene Loki appearing to someone then talks with them then same thing again. All this could have been done in like 10 minutes.

I said it last time that Loki is crying when Sylvie said no when he shouldn't even go to her. He doesn't need her for anything. You can have this season with Loki, mobius and o.b. No others were needed.

Save some money Disney!
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 11/13/2023, 10:04 AM
@MartianManHuntr - The show explained that they had to have everyone from the original event to accumulate enough of a "temporal aura" to lead them back to that point in time. Sure, it was sci-fi gobbledygook, but at least it was explained in the show.
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 11/13/2023, 10:14 AM
@ClintThaHamster - Of I agree it was explained. I'm pointing out that they could have better scripted it. May be you have those scenes only with Loki, Mobius and O.B. so only their temporal aurora is needed because Loki clearly goes to victor in interrogation room where none of those characters are present.
You know they could have edited them in script. Save some money, have a tighter script.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 11/13/2023, 10:38 AM
@MartianManHuntr - "Save some money, have a tighter script."

Less conflict, too, plus a smaller role for a fan-favorite actor. Not sure it's worth the trade-off.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 11/13/2023, 7:10 AM
I realized my opinion differs from the majority here, but although Loki season 2 seems to be a bit better than season 1, I still counted among Disney plus's worst. I've put it aside after the third episode, but we'll probably make myself watch the last three sometime.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/13/2023, 8:34 AM
@Izaizaiza - can you elaborate on what you didn't like
thedrudo
thedrudo - 11/13/2023, 9:27 AM
@Izaizaiza - Which ones do you have above it?
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 11/13/2023, 10:20 AM
@Vigor - In short, I found the character unrecognizable as Loki, and the multiverse/variant stuff immediately makes me feel like they're no staies involved. I have loved the performance of Owen Wilson specifically, and some of the others less so... But for the most part I just found it boring. I will admit to some fanboy pleasure at some of the variants, especially classic Loki
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 11/13/2023, 10:21 AM
@Izaizaiza @vigor "stakes" involved
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 11/13/2023, 10:25 AM
@thedrudo - For me, Wandavision and Ms. Marvel were the very top. Moon Knight is probably a close third. But I would also put Hawkeye, She Hulk and FATWS above Loki. She-Hulk is probably the most controversial on that list, and it was certainly goofy fun... But it would be hard to argue that it wasn't a very accurate recreation of the Byrne run from the 80's.

I should also say, it's not just Loki...I am beyond over the multiverse saga.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/13/2023, 10:33 AM
@Izaizaiza - oh I hear you. That's why I didn't like season 1. Because he had no powers on display and he was only sorta Evil
In season 2 he's much less Loki than before

But perhaps thats just character growth. They did such a good job with the show that I've just accepted that this is a different Loki. By the end of the show he has a whole new moniker.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 11/13/2023, 10:39 AM
@Vigor - I have picked that up just from the title of some of the articles here. I am sure that I will get back to it… To be honest, the wife and I recently started playing balders gate three, and that is getting in the way of watching pretty much anything.😂
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 11/13/2023, 7:29 AM
I only liked the second half of that ep.
DemonTweeks
DemonTweeks - 11/13/2023, 7:36 AM
loved the episode personally. Series as a whole was great ( again ) too. great TV
Forthas
Forthas - 11/13/2023, 7:52 AM
The end was what made the show. Excellent payoff to the Loki story writ large.
LSHF
LSHF - 11/13/2023, 8:02 AM
I've done some of my favorite writing when under pressure. I've been happy with what my mind has come up with while under pressure.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 11/13/2023, 8:34 AM
It definitely worked out in the end.
PatchesOhulihan
PatchesOhulihan - 11/13/2023, 9:11 AM
Can we get this guy to help GRRM on ASOIAF?
thedrudo
thedrudo - 11/13/2023, 9:26 AM
Crazy. Now I want to know what they planned. Either way, I was really happy with season two.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/14/2023, 11:04 AM
Shocker.
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