OBI-WAN KENOBI Writer On Ben Being Unaware Of Anakin Skywalker's Darth Vader Transformation - SPOILERS

OBI-WAN KENOBI Writer On Ben Being Unaware Of Anakin Skywalker's Darth Vader Transformation - SPOILERS

A big focal point of Obi-Wan Kenobi's second episode was the titular Jedi Master being unaware that Anakin Skywalker had survived and become Darth Vader. Now, that's been explained by the show's writer.

By JoshWilding - Jun 05, 2022 05:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Source: The Wrap (via SFFGazette.com)

Based on what we'd seen in Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, the assumption among Star Wars fans was that "Ben" Kenobi had learned of Anakin Skywalker's survival sometime between the two movies. What we didn't expect was for that moment to be shown in Obi-Wan Kenobi, especially as ten years has passed since Episode III.

While Ben has been hiding out on Tatooine, he appears to have a good knowledge of the Empire and even Sith Inquisitors, so how could he not have heard about the terrifying Darth Vader?

The show's Head Writer, Joby Harold, addressed this during a recent interview with The Wrap (via SFFGazette.com).

"That was actually not something I pitched originally," he admitted. "That was something I discovered along the way, and sort of had to confirm with Pablo [Hidalgo] and really think, ‘Hold on a second, what does he actually know? Does he know the moniker Vader? What would that mean? Can he associate the two? What was he cognizant of? How isolated is he? Where’s Vader at that time? Where’s his reputation and how well known is he?’ and all those pieces of the puzzle."

“The great piece of storytelling you can use is getting to Ewan play the moment of realization that that which haunts him is still alive," Harold continued, explaining the importance of that moment of realisation in the series. "And what does that mean for him? There were many avenues that I could take him down, all of which hopefully are good opportunities to tease out story as we continue."

It's definitely not outside the realm of possibility that Vader's name would have never found its way to Tatooine, and as Ben had closed himself off from the Force, there's no way he'd have sensed the evil that emanates from the man he once called a friend. Plus, as Harold suggests, this made for an incredible moment in the show. 

What did you guys think of that big "Anakin" cliffhanger scene in Obi-Wan Kenobi?

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Fogs
Fogs - 6/5/2022, 5:05 PM
Makes sense for Obi-Wan not connecting Anakin and Vader (I don't think he's called that in front of Obi-Wan in Ep3, as far as I remember).

One thing that bothered me a bit was Reva mentioning Anakin by name. She should refer to him only as Vader. Seems logical his former self would be pretty much forgotten among most imperials.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 6/5/2022, 5:17 PM
@Fogs - he see’s a piece of footage of Palpatine calling Anakin lord Vader.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/5/2022, 5:20 PM
@originalmrphil - ahh well reminded.

One more reason Reva should only refer to him as Vader. She didn't need to break it to him (story-wise).
Himura
Himura - 6/5/2022, 5:58 PM
@Fogs - "Seems logical his former self would be pretty much forgotten among most imperials."

I mean, Anakin was once one of the most feared/well-known Jedi in the entire galaxy so I doubt many people would just forget about him, especially those who have been trained in the ways of the Force. I'm sure many of them would actually be bragging that the Jedi's golden boy turned to the darks side and brought their downfall.
Watchingme
Watchingme - 6/5/2022, 6:00 PM
@Himura - The lore says Vader is never seen as anakin. Per the request of the emperor. Most likley because they wouldn't trust a jedi, and help anakin with his no past thing. To imperials he's just a scary guy the emperor made. I dont know what happened to anakin, but maybe they were told obi wan killed him, and he was one of the good ones.
HeeroG
HeeroG - 6/5/2022, 6:54 PM
@Himura - Excluding a few people who discovered by themselves as the time passed, almost everyone in the galaxy thought Anakin died as a Jedi when the Jedi "betrayed" the republic, both in Legends and the new Canon.
KelvTwelve
KelvTwelve - 6/5/2022, 7:31 PM
@HeeroG - My input to this is that it's possible only the Inquisitors know, especially the ones who were former Jedi. Knowing a former jedi is what took the whole order down is probably a key component into getting them to turn to the dark side.

But hey tbh I never even liked the idea of the inquisitors in the first place. Much preferred it when Anakin never had a padawan, the only two sith lords were Palpatine and Darth Vader, and Obi-Wan and Anakin fight for the first time in 19 years in A New Hope. But we live in a new world now, where fan demand has created the space for these stories.

This is almost why I find it so jarring comparing the expanded universe to the original three films. Almost no point holding the canon up to scrutiny now.
Origame
Origame - 6/5/2022, 7:46 PM
@Himura - then it'd make no sense Luke didn't find out sooner than Vader was his father.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/5/2022, 8:00 PM
@Himura - in the empire bro. To me, except for Palpie's inner circle the mindset has always been "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion", as said in ep IV
PhoenixBlade
PhoenixBlade - 6/5/2022, 5:05 PM
That scene in the thumbnail made me giggle because before Vader says “I’ve been watch you”, his little knees come closer together and it made me laugh for some reason. Yeah, I’m weird like that. But go back to it and look at his knees. Gives a whole new dynamic to the scene.
Watchingme
Watchingme - 6/5/2022, 5:09 PM
@PhoenixBlade - Its funny, but unfortunatly his cock was burnt off, so its not possible.
PhoenixBlade
PhoenixBlade - 6/5/2022, 7:07 PM
@Unconforming - Phantom limb exists so why not phantom dick? The force is strong in this one.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 6/5/2022, 5:11 PM
He should know that his name is Vader

Origame
Origame - 6/5/2022, 5:17 PM
@IronSpider101 - exactly. This is confirmation they weren't actually rewatching the prequels before writing this.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 6/5/2022, 5:18 PM
@IronSpider101 - you’d think that they’d watch the previous movies. Same goes for George Lucas.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/5/2022, 5:21 PM
@IronSpider101 - good catch, forgot he watched this specific dialogue
Stinkor1
Stinkor1 - 6/5/2022, 5:23 PM
I guess I can buy Ben not knowing Vader is alive. He’s on a backwater enough of a planet. Staying pretty isolated. And maybe Vader’s reputation hasn’t really spread that much yet. He does know that Anakin is Vader though. I think yoda mentioned him as being Vader and they saw the security footage of him being called Vader. What I DON’T buy is Reva knowing Vader was Anakin. I’m sure that’s not common knowledge in the Empire. Least of all amongst the inquisitors.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/5/2022, 5:23 PM
@Stinkor1 - my thoughts exactly
Eagles0589
Eagles0589 - 6/5/2022, 5:33 PM
@Stinkor1 - Didn't she say something about feeling Obi-Wan's thoughts thoughts of Anakin and that is how she knew Obi didn't know Anakin was alive
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 6/5/2022, 7:01 PM
@Stinkor1 - One of the citizens mentions that they were on the outer rim and The Empire had no jurisdiction there. So perhaps the grumblings of the Empire didn't really reach Obi Wan. Not to mention perhaps he believed Darth Vader was dead as the condition he left Anakin in wouldn't have been feasible for an active combatant.
JonC
JonC - 6/5/2022, 8:31 PM
@Stinkor1 - considering he cut's meat in the desert for a paycheck, lives in a cave and basically only talks to Owen, who hates him and doens't really talk to him, then i could see he would not know Vader/Anakin was alive.

He probably doesn't know cassettes and 8-tracks are no longer a thing either.
MrLurk
MrLurk - 6/5/2022, 5:30 PM
This show has been awful.

1. Why is Leia in it? How come this is never referenced in 4/5/6?

2. The meeting of Vader or Obi Wan was poorly done

3. The ending of most recent episode was ludicrous. Vader just watches as a droid picks up Obi Wan. I guess a barrier of fire can stop any use of the force now?

Sorry but this show ain’t it, they need to stay away from legacy characters. Mando S1 and 2 were great. Book of Boba was a dumpster fire and now this. Disney is destroying Star Wars more and more
KaioKen
KaioKen - 6/5/2022, 6:13 PM
@MrLurk - nah, it's great.
1. She knows this guy as Ben
2. What was wrong with it?
3. There's more story to tell. You may just find out why he did that.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 6/5/2022, 10:07 PM
@MrLurk - the coded message Leia sends in the original I think will be retconned/reimagined at some point as Leia not wanting to ‘out’ Bail for knowing Kenobi was alive all these years AND for actively conspiring against the Empire. Bail points out that the Senators try to effectuate change diplomatically but that it is slow and painstaking. This directly insinuates that he values being seen as neutral and working within, and not against, the Empire system. Leia sending that message in Star Wars carries very teal danger as it can be easily intercepted by any number of ways and could therefore ‘out’ her father as a traitor against the Empire if she flat out tells the truth. They can now say that she was communicating out of desperation but trying to keep her father clean.
dracula
dracula - 6/5/2022, 5:57 PM
He saw a recording of him being given the name in revenge
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 6/5/2022, 6:06 PM
The more this so called self proclaimed “writer” talks the more I scream….

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