Simon Kinberg Reflects On How To Properly Tell The DARK PHOENIX Saga For Film Or Television

Simon Kinberg Reflects On How To Properly Tell The DARK PHOENIX Saga For Film Or Television

DARK PHOENIX Star Jessica Chastain Hopes To Play A More Established Comic Book Villain Next Time
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LNBfett12 - 6/17/2019, 3:17 AM
I’d only be for a Beast movie if they kept him as a BEAST throughout the entire thing! This whole switching back and forth stuff is 🤦🏻‍♂️
dracula - 6/17/2019, 3:33 AM
@LNBfett12 - hopefully Disney picks less vain actors who will be willing to wear the make up unlike Lawrence and holt. Seriously Alan cumming, Kelsey grammer and Rebecca Romain had no problem wearing the stuff the whole time
Spock0Clock - 6/17/2019, 3:46 AM
@dracula - If I remember correctly, Cumming refused to come back because he hated the makeup. But it's not really vanity, it's sitting in a makeup chair for 3-6 hours before your work day even begins. (One of the reasons they cut Thor's hair was to trim Hemsworth's wig-time down).

But the design team didn't make it easy for themselves, either. All of those facial scars on Nightcrawler and individually-applied scales on Mystique were a crazy amount of work for very little effect.

And most of all, if the work was good, the story satisfying, the characters important, then I have no doubt that Lawrence and Hoult would have stepped up. But they were given shit to do, for 4 films, that's [frick]ing demoralizing.
Kumkani - 6/17/2019, 3:52 AM
@Spock0Clock - Yea, exactly. Hemsworth is the only one I can remember who did complain about hair and makeup and wanted it changed. I know the makeup for Karen Gillian as Nebula reduces each time they have had to do it so time isn't an issue. But for her, Zoe Saldana, Dave Bautista, and Michael B Jordan, it's quite obvious all of them are and were willing to sit down and do that makeup for hours because they were at least given good material on top of everything.
dracula - 6/17/2019, 3:55 AM
@Spock0Clock - From what ive heard Cumming was willing to come back, but his role in x 3 was small so they decided it wasn't worth it and they cut him from the script. At least on Lawrence's part id say its vanity, they have simplified the make up more and more with each film to make it easier for her and she still barely wears it.
dracula - 6/17/2019, 3:30 AM
Who cares wouldn’t be real Beast, the one who is blue all the time with a potential ally interesting story to tell it would have been werewolf beast we got in the first class series
WeaponXCII - 6/17/2019, 3:32 AM
So this is saying Kinberg said no because it would've messed with the timeline he had in mind, right? If it is, I don't understand at all. It's not like Kinberg and Singer and the rest ever cared about continuity.
GhostDog - 6/17/2019, 3:32 AM
Y’all couldn’t even commit to keeping him in the Beast form full time in the damn team movies

GhostDog - 6/17/2019, 3:35 AM
“....those Mr. Sinister teases.”

I totally forgot about that post credit scene. Wow.
Kumkani - 6/17/2019, 3:53 AM
@BlackBeltJones - For which movie?
Spock0Clock - 6/17/2019, 3:36 AM
I honestly don't understand the perspective of people who say they just want to "see the director's vision". Like, how do you even parse this?

Kinberg was a screenwriter/producer who had his thumbs in every pie with an X in the title. Clearly the central creative voice for the majority of the franchise post-Vaughn. Yet, here he is in his producer role scuttling tentative ideas from a composer and editor for (likely) silly and self-serving reasons. Who is the auteur here?

And I don't want to dismiss Ottman/Burton completely out of hand. Just because they operated on the fringes of a badly mishandled franchise, it's impossible to tell if they might have made it better with some narrative control or if they were just trying to inflate their positions by gorging on a fat IP like Kinberg did. It's hard to imagine this franchise being more pointless than it became the last few years.

I just feel bad for everyone involved. Hoult wasn't well cast as Beast, but he was even more poorly handled by the scripts and stories. I'm just relieved that neither Vaughn nor Ottman/Burton nor Kinberg ever got to recast Wolverine and that Feige is in complete control now. The bleeding is stopped and now the healing can begin.
TheUnworthyThor - 6/17/2019, 3:42 AM
A Beast movie could be awesome. Him battling Wendigo with Wolverine sounds like an awful joke though. Thankfully the franchise is in safer hands now.
Spock0Clock - 6/17/2019, 3:52 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - I'm slowly picking up on X-comics I missed out on over the last decade or so, and from what I've gleaned from wikis the time-displaced Beast sounds like a really interesting direction for the character. "What If... Hank had gone into the mystic arts instead of biochemistry?" And then he's turning into Furry Hellboy? Sounds hilarious.

While I've said Storm should be the premiere MCU X-Man, Hank McCoy deserves a big role, hopefully in some kind of Avengersy-Defendersy-Championsy-Whatever-mah-callit type team.
Kyos - 6/17/2019, 3:51 AM
Spock0Clock - 6/17/2019, 3:59 AM
@Kyos - I can.

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L0RDbuckethead - 6/17/2019, 12:16 PM
@PAbloYocroNUtS -
Hawknaba - 6/17/2019, 5:02 AM
But did anyone actually want a Beast movie in this new timeline....?

Probably the last solo i'd be thinking of, i'd go Quicksilver before i went for that
Reeds2Much - 6/17/2019, 7:58 AM
Kinberg was mulling over the idea of reintroducing Wolverine to the X-Men Universe following Hugh Jackman's retirement from the role

So ... there'd be a decade after Apocalypse where he stopped being Hugh Jackman and then he'd turn back into Hugh when X-Men 1's era came around?
David78B - 6/17/2019, 8:25 AM
Fox shouldn't have put Kinberg in charge of the X-Men after what he did with "last stand", he has no idea what we want in an X-Men movie.
L0RDbuckethead - 6/17/2019, 12:16 PM
@David78B -
benjithegreat - 6/17/2019, 10:20 AM
Yeah, great - you had plans - they would have sucked - moving on... Let It Die!!
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