Simon Kinberg Reflects On How To Properly Tell The DARK PHOENIX Saga For Film Or Television

Simon Kinberg Reflects On How To Properly Tell The DARK PHOENIX Saga For Film Or Television

DARK PHOENIX Star Jessica Chastain Hopes To Play A More Established Comic Book Villain Next Time
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dracula - 9/18/2019, 2:33 AM
They have the X Men and Fantastic 4, now all they need is Spiderman, hopefully those 30% plus Venom rumors are true
Humperdink - 9/18/2019, 8:08 PM
@dracula -

Build Venom up for SONY just so they can dangle him as the next carrot they'll snatch away unless they let Morbius in the MCU?

No. Just Spider-Man.

Feige better play this the smart way.
dracula - 9/18/2019, 9:02 PM
@Humperdink - Well if they can have the control of Venom, that they have of Spiderman it can work, plus that would bring marvel closer to having full control of the spiderman characters. Like this deal would it mean Marvel makes the movies, like they do with Spiderman, or would Sony still make them, and they would have to incorporate them into the mcu?
Humperdink - 9/19/2019, 2:09 AM
@dracula - I see you're point but I feel that the lack of control they already have coupled with the likely heavy-handed interference from Sony isn't worth the effort. Feige allegedly helped SONY with Venom and that may be what made it somewhat watchable but it was still a mess.

The fact that Sony has already threatened to yank back Spiderman after Marvel delivered them their HIGHEST grossing film and their only SECOND film to cross a billion is extremely telling.

You can't trust SONY and IMO Venom shouldn't be forced in the MCU.

Kurne - 9/18/2019, 2:58 AM
I just saw this a few weeks ago. I can't believe how lazily-put together it felt. Not just because it's Kinberg's first directing gig, but the movie was filmed before the Disney merger and wasn't intended to be the franchise's last, yet it felt like it wanted to get itself over with already [on its own].
gordonh7 - 9/18/2019, 3:11 AM
What I find funny, is how it was Jennifer Lawrence who convinced Simon Kimberg to direct the film and then she only agreed to do it if they killed her character off early on.
Kumkani - 9/18/2019, 4:18 AM
"It's like focusing on Mystique for the last three movies was a bad choice."

And that, my friends, is it.
WackyBantha - 9/18/2019, 4:21 AM
That wasn't blood. It was ketchup. She stopped off at a hot dog stand prior to landing in that spot in the rain.
GhostDog - 9/18/2019, 4:36 AM
Ryguy88 - 9/18/2019, 5:20 AM
The score and cinematography were surprisingly great!
Spock0Clock - 9/18/2019, 11:18 AM
@Ryguy88 - If a movie is a sandwich, cinematography is like the quality of the crust on the bread and the score is like the drink accompanying it. No matter how good they might be, if the sandwich is made with rotting lettuce, moldy cheese, and dangerously undercooked meat, it's a bad sandwich.

(Also, while I'll agree that the movie is certainly competently shot, my memory of the music is that it felt like it was forcefully pushing emotional beats the movie didn't warrant to the point of being distracting. So... to continue the analogy, it was like a terrible turkey sandwich with a durian smoothie. Maybe that smoothie could make sense with a certain other meal, but not this one. [frick], I'm hungry...)
Ryguy88 - 9/20/2019, 6:16 AM
@Spock0Clock - youre not wrong. The plot, dialog, scene structure and just general pacing were all terrible. And the forced emotion was painful at times. Plus Magneto was a rehash of each of his previous movies. Id wager Fassbender didnt even show up on set and they just photoshopped his previous scenes into this.
Starlight - 9/18/2019, 6:01 AM
Watched it the other day.... what a lame movie....
WakandanQueen - 9/18/2019, 6:34 AM
What a [frick]ing disaster.
jj2112 - 9/18/2019, 6:38 AM
Haha right I wondered about the MCU forces and now I get it...
WeaponXCII - 9/18/2019, 7:11 AM
MrDandy - 9/18/2019, 7:23 AM
Finally saw this last night. It was awful. The movie is over the top dour, the dialogue cringy, the actors all phoning it in, and the plot scattershot.

They done the X-Men wrong.

With a franchise with a lot of ups and downs, I had hoped they'd conclude on a high note, but this ain't it.
sKeemAn - 9/18/2019, 7:28 AM
This might actually be the worst in the franchise, and I hated Apocalypse.

MUTO123 - 9/18/2019, 8:03 AM
I watched it a couple weeks ago. YEESH!

I don’t wanna say it’s quite as bad as Wolverine Origins, but it’s still pretty [frick]ing bad. Simon Kinberg CANNOT direct.
Spock0Clock - 9/18/2019, 11:39 AM
@MUTO123 - He certainly cannot write and I don't think he has a good handle on how to handle mood or tone (or narrative logic). But in terms of the basic coherence of scene composition, I think Kinberg somehow comes out looking halfway decent.

Certainly not skilled, though. (And how a director/producer can take 200 million dollars and make a movie that looks like it should have cost maybe 70 is possibly bordering on embezzlement.) But it was not the floundering I was expecting from a first time director.
demery - 9/18/2019, 8:10 AM
I didn't hate this as much as others. This felt like a decent first draft that was in serious need of rewrites but didn't have the time to do so.

Overall, I enjoyed the action and most of the lead performances (especially from McAvoy and Fassbender as always) to overcome the hardcore problems involving some of the attention to certain character's development.

Maybe my opinion would be upon a second viewing of it but after seeing the bland plus uninspired nothing of Men In Black International and the disappointing plus overlong fluff of Godzilla: King of the Monsters, Dark Phoenix was more or less what I expected it to be from the footage I saw up to that point and some of the news that came out about it.

Good Honest Trailer overall and I didn't notice the part of the blood and how it wasn't there when Mystique died. With how vital that detail was supposed to be, how did they [frick] up not putting a speck of blood on her shirt before then other than it would get the flick an R-rating otherwise if we saw it splat on her shirt when Mystique got impaled.
rabid - 9/18/2019, 9:19 AM
All decent criticisms, but where's the major plot hole?
CaptCoulson - 9/18/2019, 10:32 AM
A plot issue that's not mentioned here but I saw it on my first viewing, when Jean first comes to that island to talk to Eric, after the army guys show up it's made clear how powerful she is. She's WAY more powerful at telekinesis than he is (& can do any material, not just metal), she shows right there she's much stronger than him.

Yet Eric still then goes out of his way to confront Jean again later on in that mansion, when he's doing nothing whatsoever to make himself be stronger... If anything, he just gives her another weapon, as she starts to crush his helmet in around his head. What the hell did he THINK was gonna happen there??
WruceBayne - 9/18/2019, 11:30 AM
They never answered the question of how they were in space without spacesuits on. Night crawler literally just had on a helmet that had duct tape on it.
breakUbatman - 9/18/2019, 12:01 PM
Just watched it today, not as bad as I expected though.

Who told the kids that Jean killed Mystique?

Anyways it needed or more competent hand, for example Jean's role in her parents death should have been revealed to the audience and Jean at the same time. I know it's not even a twist but a lot of time was wasted flashing back to stuff. Felt like too much movie in one film and the X-men didn't feel like a team
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