Do You Ever Wonder What Happened To Originality In Hollywood?

Do You Ever Wonder What Happened To Originality In Hollywood?

Well I do. I present to you 4 reasons why Hollywood is ditching Originality, staying on the safe side of the fence with the movies they actually do make, and how this actually benefits and destroys our current Comic Book Movies.

By jman1977 - Sep 10, 2010 08:09 AM EST
Filed Under: The Wolverine
Source: deadline.com

That Nikki Finke over at Deadline.com is such a joy. Nikki gets to talk to Hollywood execs all the time. At breakfast, at lunch, at her daily kneeling nooners, I mean this lady is just chalk full of information. Nikki has even gathered data that will answer one of Hollywood's best kept secrets these days, which is: 'Where the hell did all the originality go after it left Hollywood?' Which is a brilliant question. Haven't you ever pondered why we have not gotten classics out of Hollywood like Star Wars, Back to the Future, ET, or Indiana Jones in over 20 years?

I have and so has Nikki Finke, who asked a bunch of well-established Hollywood writers, executives and deal makers to list the reasons why Originality has left the likes of Hollywood, and here they are:

A) An aversion to risk-taking which is a lingering byproduct of the recession and credit crunch. "Studio executives are always afraid of taking risks unless they can point to a big success,” said one writer's agent. “If a Western did well, they'd want another Western, and they'd get a lot of bad Westerns."

B) An over-reliance on “branded” properties that became prevalent over the last several years. Rights holders got first dollar gross deals and say over creative issues and release deadlines, even though they don't know the first thing about making a good movie.

C) The rise of one-step screenwriter deals and sweepstakes pitching (where multiple writers compete for a job by pitching ideas for the same assignment). Several writers admitted to me that when their priority is advancing to the next draft, originality goes out the window. They try to please studio executives and producers who thrive in a comfort zone of sameness.

D) The growing influence of marketing executives in the selection of films that get made. Those executives favor films they know how to sell, which means films they've sold before.



So there you have it. Not a total shock but a good explanation of why in the next two decades or so we wont see any truly original concept crawl it's way out of Hollywood.

The above is one side of the coin, the other side of the coin benefits us Comic Book Movie Maniacs greatly. 'What's the other side of the coin J-Man?' well I'll tell you. Hollywood has abandoned all sense of Originality for an established concept to turn into a movie. That thinking has opened the door to this era of Comic Book Movies. Hollywood has always thought that Comic Book Movies are for kids and childish but once they figured out that they had over 75 years (in some cases) of original story lines (Comic Books) to look through and turn into movies, they became giddy, like schoolgirls playing hop scotch.

Studios rushed to buy up all the rights they could (Fox, Sony) in an attempt to hoard as many characters as they could to in turn make as many Comic Book Movies as they could, good and bad. Since originality has no place in Hollywood anymore this was the next logical step. Hollywood would take an established character (Wolverine, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four) and put in and take out what they wanted of the already successful Comic Book storyline. As a result the studio gets what it wants and releases what it feels it can market, leaving the fans wondering why the movie is not closer related to the source.

The above 4 reason also explain why we are getting flooded with remakes (Clash of the Titans) instead of new storylines and concepts to make into movies. Hollywood is scarred to take any risks that may or may not pan out so we are forced to watch movies that where created by what would sell good at Wal-Mart instead of what would translate well to the big screen.

So where does this leave us? As long as we financially support the remakes and the hacking (granted, all Comic Book concepts will not work well on the big screen) of our favorite heroes then that's all we are going to receive. I realize, and I'm sure you all do as well, that this problem is bigger then CBM's. It effects everything these Hollywood suits do.

Where is the next Spielberg? Where is the next Lucas? Where is the next guy to come along and not want to, but need to make their mark on Hollywood? The currant legends wont be around forever, and for any remake to be successful it can only happen once a generation. So What's Up Hollywood? Are you ever going to be about it? Or just talk about the good old days when Originality was still in town?
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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 9/10/2010, 8:22 AM
Yeah it went OUT the window with all the crappy remakes and reboots! : p

Seriously, the only thing that actually needs a fresh reboot is the X-MEN franchise, coz its a pile of sh1te, but thats all!

With all the MILLIONS film studios put in these movies, they have no excuse, there shouldn't be any bad movies or even okay movies! We want good to amazing movies!

P.s. agree with ya JMAN, Hollywood's lazy!
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 8:24 AM
Hollywood seriously stop remaking movie

can't believe they are making second movie for clash of titans i stop watching that movie after 15 minute

thought i loved texas chinsaw massacre and Halloween remake

great one jman
MatchesMalone
MatchesMalone - 9/10/2010, 8:24 AM
Do any little girls even play hopscotch any more?
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 8:26 AM
LEEE777 @ reboot some times works like in case i remember you the hulk the reboot works out
JohnWilbanks
JohnWilbanks - 9/10/2010, 8:33 AM
@TANKGIRL - I hear you! I wanted to stop watching the remake of Clash of the Titans after the first 15 minutes, but I stuck with it to the end. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't good either...
Acidust
Acidust - 9/10/2010, 8:35 AM
We have directors like Christopher Nolan, Jon Favreau, Quentin Tarantino, Guillermo del Toro and hopefully Joss Whedon in our future so besides having crappy remakes and reboots, we can count on these guys to give us quality films.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 9/10/2010, 8:35 AM
TANK @ Even tho INCREDIBLE HULK was a reboot, it felt like a sequel and I liked that.

Okay I'll say reboots with start at the beginnings again origins lol! (ulti Webb Spidey)
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 9/10/2010, 8:36 AM
Awesome article dude, and no arguing with it either. I will say that I am a bit more optimistic with the likes of Chris Nolan and Daren Aronofky out there. They have proven that original and thought provoking cinema still has a place.
Shaman
Shaman - 9/10/2010, 8:36 AM
Inception wasn't original? Neither was The Hurt Locker? How about Slumdog Millionaire? Braveheart? The [frick]ing Matrix? Harry [frick]ing Potter? No? 20 years? WTF??? Originality is there if you look for it. This is just another case of people only looking at the empty half of the glass. Sure Hollywood could be MORE original, given all the damn remakes they've been making, but implying that it hasn't had a shread of originality in 20 years is completely inaccurate.

"in the next two decades or so we wont see any truly original concept crawl it's way out of Hollywood"...

Black Swan? No? Robert Rodriguez isn't the ONLY director/producer in Hollywood. Just so you know.
DylansMyDog
DylansMyDog - 9/10/2010, 8:40 AM
I don't know, I think the last 20 years has had some great original work .. I mean hollywood has always been mostly recycled garbage but we still get treats every now and then. Examples: the first (and arguably the second) Matrix, LOTR, Avatar (not original story telling but visually), Anything by Danny Boyle, Chris Nolan or QT.

Even remake wise there have been some great remakes that are truly better than the original like the fly or the thing or the thomas crown affair or oceans 11. Just because some of the time they don't work out doesn't mean they don't have the ability to improve on the original concept. Hell Heat one of the best movies ever made was a remake!
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 8:42 AM
ashley76 me too couldn't stand any act the story was messed up the movie made me cringe

@ LEEE777 TAKE IT AS FACT THE REBOOT CAN WORK IN SOME CASES

BUT IN CASE OF SPIDEY IS FAIL THE TRILOGY WAS SUCCESS AND REBOOT WAS ALL WAY WRONG MOVIE LIKE HULK AND F4 DESERVE REBOOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BAD WRITTEN AND MIS-CAST

AS MUCH I LOVE NOLAN I THINK HE IS LITTLE BIT OVERRATED
marvel72
marvel72 - 9/10/2010, 8:43 AM
it seems hollywood is getting lazy,its like most of the films these days are comicbooks or graphic novels,not coplaining but its an easy way out the stories are already their.

just adapt them.
jman1977
jman1977 - 9/10/2010, 8:44 AM
Shamen is Inception as big as Star Wars? I wrote this article in light of huge original movie franchises that didnt come from books (like Harry Potter), succesful movies all around, not just one or two good ones out of a trilogy (Matrix). Is The Hurt Locker as big as Indy was? No, its a different stand alone movie all together and a war piece that wont be watched in 20 years like Indy is now. This is the light that has shined upon me when I wrote this. BTW, Braveheart is one of my all time favs.
Stumblin
Stumblin - 9/10/2010, 8:44 AM
Actually Lee their is a lot of reasons why Hollywood produces crap movies on occasion, it's the same reason why video game companies sometimes make crappy games. They have deadlines, sometimes those change issues arise things happen.
jman1977
jman1977 - 9/10/2010, 8:45 AM
PS: The Hurt Locker was and is a good flick just not a timeless piece, just my opinion :)
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 9/10/2010, 8:47 AM
Sure guys, you can name a lot of movies..and then I could probably add another 20! But is that really anything to shout about given the sheer volume of movies that are churned(shat?) out of Hollywood every day? I'm not opposed to a remake simply because its a remake, its because 9 times..ok, even giving the benefit of the doubt for the rare good one..8 times out of ten they SUCK! Then its not just remakes, but films so devoid of any originality that they may as well be. Practically every singe mainstream sci fi and horror film I have seen in the last 10 years has been a rip off of a better movie in some way. Some are still enjoyable of course, but how refreshing was it to watch a film like Inception? And even that borrowed some concepts..it was just executed in such a fresh, original way that it deserved praise.
jbak368
jbak368 - 9/10/2010, 8:47 AM
Christopher Nolan
Wes Anderson
Guillermo del Toro
Alfonso Cuaron
Darren Aronofsky
David Fincher
Spike Jonze

There are still great, original directors. There's just a lot of crap, too. And how many of the greatest films of all time have been adaptations of something? Godfather, Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, Maltese Falcon. The studios have always been like this, we just never knew as much about what goes on as we do in the internet age. And it might be worth remembering that Inception was one of the biggest films of the summer and was an original concept. We may not be living in the glory days of Hitchcock or Spielberg, but there's plenty of movies coming out that look great, adaptation or no. I will say the trend of trying to sell nostalgic 80's crap back at us again is fairly irritating, as, while the early 80's might have been a great time for sci-fi films, most of the stuff to come out of the 80's was utter crap, but if people keep paying to see Transformers and GI Joe than those films will keep getting made.

It's also worth noting that independent filmmakers have far more opportunities than ever before thanks to the internet and the availability of hd cameras and computer editing equipment.
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 8:47 AM
JMAN@ BRAVEHEART IS MY FAV TOO
jman1977
jman1977 - 9/10/2010, 8:49 AM
Shamen, really, Black Swan, come on Man. I see your point but your comparing stand alone movies that no one will be thinking about in 5 to 10 years to blockbuster movie franchises that still stand the test of time. Thats what I want Hollywood to create. An original concept that is timeless. On the big screen first. Like Star Wars, like Indy.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 9/10/2010, 8:50 AM
Salt? ;)
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 8:54 AM
LET THE RIGHT ONE IN AND THE GIRL WITH DRAGON TATTO I DONT SEE THE POINT TO REMAKING THEM

IT JUST LIKE WATCH THE ORIGINAL MOVIE WITH HORRIBLE ACT AND IN ENGLISH AMONG OTHER BAD THINGS

SALT MOVIE BITE
flames809
flames809 - 9/10/2010, 8:54 AM
lee- you can't say spiderman reboot will start from the beginning because what i heard it will be peter already being spiderman.
selinakyle
selinakyle - 9/10/2010, 8:55 AM
For every original movie, you have like 2/3 remakes/reboots.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 9/10/2010, 8:59 AM
flames @ If thats the case... I'll eat my words, of course no Green Goblin too lol! : p

stum @ Problem is it happens way too much dude.

T @ Okay lol!
Shaman
Shaman - 9/10/2010, 9:00 AM
Personally, i don't see how a film being made of an established series of novels or comic books is unoriginal. Every single film made is based on some sort of writing. Nobody just picks up a camera and shoots. The originality lies in the concept. A fifth Alien film isn't original but an adaptation from a book like the girl with a dragon tattoo IS original since it's never been seen on screen before.

RorMachine- All you said still doesn't take away the fact that Hollywood STILL has some originality. This article says it doesn't and won't for years to come. It's a flat out lie.

Jman- Black Swan is Original. Originality doesn't make an all time classic. People WILL be talking about The Dark Knight for years to come and it WILL be concidered a classic to many even though it isn't original. Star Wars??? That wasn't considered a "classic" the second it came out. It BECAME a classic after many many years. So can plenty of films that are devoid of originality. Your article is about Hollywood not being original, not about it producing classics like star wars. And also how could ANYONE know which movie will be talked about in 20 years from now??? No one.
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 9/10/2010, 9:02 AM
GREAT write-up jman! I'm all for it- the technology is there, it's time to start making these sci-fi properties into movies. the responsibility lies with the mainstream audience tho to keep the studios in check. most people (not here) need to realize "comic-book" is not a genre. and that there are many different genres in comics, cartoons, even toys now. Nolan understands that, Rodriguez understands that - who ever did "jonah hex". does. not.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 9/10/2010, 9:03 AM
"...and put in and take out what they wanted of the already successful Comic Book storyline. As a result the studio gets what it wants and releases what it feels it can market, leaving the fans wondering why the movie is not closer related to the source."

Brilliantly said jman! It's that very reason, we've had to put up with such garbage and it's only now that Marvel Studios are making their own movies that we're starting to get some quality flicks. (apart from the odd exception in the past) What you describe above is EXACTLY what Fox are still doing though with X-Men: First Class!

There are still some brilliant and original movies that get made and many have already been mentioned in this comments section but I find it hard to believe that people will still be enjoying them in 30/40 years as we do with the likes of Star Wars!

Maybe it's just down to the fact that movies like that were so amazing for their time whereas today technology means that even the likes of Inception (which was visually stunning) struggle to stand out from the crowd!? The mass produced crap we have to put up with does help make the really good stuff stand out though which is sort of a bonus, lol!
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 9:05 AM
LEEE777 @ LOL

@ SHAMAN EAT PRY LOVE :EAT PRAY DEATH SOME TIMES ADAPT CAN BE BAD AGREE WITH YA

fanboiii
fanboiii - 9/10/2010, 9:07 AM
Well maybe if people stop paying to see all the unoriginal Hollywood movies, things would change. But really, only a minority go out and make the effort to watch more original independent/limited release movies.

Unoriginal movies are made to appeal to wide audiences and are cheaper to make yet they make a ton of money. It's as simple as that. Either the general public develops higher standards of taste and self-control to avoid these movies or generic unoriginal movies will stay. Chances are they will stay. A lot of people will go watch a movie knowing it's bad. I really don't blame Hollywood for making a quick buck. The paying audience enables them.
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 9/10/2010, 9:08 AM
Jman@ and everyone else - i've got a question. wasn't star wars made independently by lucas because no studio wanted to touch it? i thought i heard that somewhere. if true than this trend is nothing new. we just need some rich kid with a good idea to ask his daddy for some money to make a movie! (not saying thats what lucas did just what we need now! lol)
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 9/10/2010, 9:10 AM
fanboiii@ i like this saying "Consumers have the power to control everything. we just can't control ourselves"
Shaman
Shaman - 9/10/2010, 9:13 AM
Gusto- I meant the original films, not the american remake. If i had called them "Millénium", people would have thought i was talking about a Lance Henrickson tv series.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2010, 9:13 AM
Originality isn't the problem. There are WAY more original movies that come out every year than remakes, reboots, and copies. just because a movie doesn't interest you, doesn't mean it isn't original.

and i've said this before, but i think its funny how so many people around here love CBM's, yet complain about things not being original. the whole CBM genre is unoriginal. the movies are about characters/stories that were created by someone else. thats the very definition of unoriginal.
TANKGIRL
TANKGIRL - 9/10/2010, 9:15 AM
FIGHT CLUB IS ONE OF MOST OVERRATED MOVIE IN CINEMA HISTORY
selinakyle
selinakyle - 9/10/2010, 9:18 AM
Really @ Tank Girl? Why do you say that?
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 9/10/2010, 9:20 AM
CDB@ it's that very thinking that made me come around to the Spidey-reboot. it's like who cares anymore. Garfield wasn't the first man to play spidey and we won't be the last. i hope we get many many more CBM's for the rest of my life, with different actors, directors and visions behind all of them. how would you feel if Stan Lee and John Romita were still doing spider-man for after 40 years? (wait... that might be pretty cool)

bring em on. we'll still get our "inceptions" and our "district 9s" here and there. but can't go wrong with CBMs!
jman1977
jman1977 - 9/10/2010, 9:21 AM
at Intruder, I think the Sopranos took the place of a good Mob flick these days.

@ Shamen: Star Wars wasnt considered a classic the sec it came out, thats true, it was the second weekend that Lucas knew what he had created, after counting all the money it made, it took a couple more years to realize that he had a golden trilogy on his hands, and so did the rest of the world. People will only be talking about TDK in years to come if the JLA movie and The Avengers flop.

Your right about no one knowing, again, its all opinion:)
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2010, 9:21 AM
@ Jman

"Shamen is Inception as big as Star Wars?"

how many movie franchises ARE as big as Star Wars?
jazzman
jazzman - 9/10/2010, 9:22 AM
there is no original movies only good concept movies.

Hollywood been remaking movies for years its nothing new at all. people forget that their is lots of remake movies i.e.

- The Fly
- The Magnificent Seven
- Scarface
- True Lies
- The Departed
etc

@LEEE777

reboot mostly become better then the first flm i.e. The Incredible Hulk and Batman Begins and TDK.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 9/10/2010, 9:22 AM
I don't count adaptations(book, comic) as unoriginal because they are adaptations! They don't fall into that category for me.

@Shaman, What I took from this is not that Hollywood has no originality left, but that the unoriginal film is celebrated more. There is no arguing with that when you look at the BO on trash like Friday The 13th and all the rest of the horror remakes, as well as the stuff that is technically a new story(Pandorum, Legion etc) but borrows so heavily in ideas and execution that it just can't qualify as "original" to me. Something like The Last Exorcism which really does attempt to try something different even though its admittedly marketed as a straight up horror a la The Exorcist, is blasted because crowds want gore and masked killers in their "horror" films simply because its all they have been conditioned into seeing for so many years.
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