X-MEN Producer Assures Fans That Cyclops' "Yellow Spandex" Joke Wasn't Meant To Be A Shot At Them

X-MEN Producer Assures Fans That Cyclops' "Yellow Spandex" Joke Wasn't Meant To Be A Shot At Them

X-Men took some major liberties with the comic books, but producer Ralph Winter has now explained that a quip about Wolverine's yellow costume wasn't meant to be a dig at fans. Read on for further details!

By JoshWilding - Aug 04, 2020 04:08 AM EST
Filed Under: X-Men
Source: SYFY Wire

2000's X-Men was definitely something of a game-changer for the superhero movie genre, but it took some major liberties with the source material, and even took a shot at the comic books when Cyclops made a joke about Wolverine expecting "yellow spandex" after they suited up in the black leather numbers which have proved to be a real sticking point for many fans. 

A lot of people felt that was a jab at comic book readers, but during a recent interview with Syfy Wire, producer Ralph Winter was quick to assure them that it was never intended in that manner.

"At that time, we did feel like we did a good job," he said of those divisive costumes. "We limited the amount of time in the wardrobe. Of course, there’s a joke in the movie about yellow spandex, which was directed at the fans. It wasn’t to [irritate] them but to say 'Hey, we hear you. We understand what you want."

"We understand you don’t like the idea of Wolverine being taller than 5'4"," he continued. "We understand you’d rather have everybody in the traditional garb. But we also have to make a movie that reaches a wide audience to justify the budget.'" He added that he believes the trick is to "always to bullseye the hardcore Marvel/X-Men fan, but do it in a way that doesn’t alienate an average moviegoer that might enjoy, or start to enjoy, these types of stories."

It's a fair observation, but Marvel Studios has obviously found a way to pay homage to the comic books while also grabbing the attention of casual moviegoers. A lot has changed since X-Men was released, of course, but when these characters do debut in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the hope is that they'll be decked out in costumes more akin to what we see in the source material. 

What do you guys think?

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DoubleD
DoubleD - 8/4/2020, 4:15 AM
Superman The Movie 1978 looked great wearing Spandex.
dracula
dracula - 8/4/2020, 4:21 AM
@DoubleD - Also the Batman 60's show, everything there looked straight out of a comic
tmp3
tmp3 - 8/4/2020, 4:21 AM
@dracula - The Batman show was a parody though, lol
dracula
dracula - 8/4/2020, 4:22 AM
@tmp3 - true, although from what ive heard it was more serious than the comics at the time
Origame
Origame - 8/4/2020, 4:25 AM
@DoubleD - how about the phantom, batman and robin, steel, captain america (1997), etc? I dont think you realize how bad it was to be a superhero movie back then.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 8/4/2020, 5:33 AM
@tmp3 - It was just a faithful adaptation of the campy tone of Batman comics at that time.

I guess you could call them parody in the sense that there was a lot of humour in them. But they weren't comedy characters or anything.
tmp3
tmp3 - 8/4/2020, 5:52 AM
@Nightwing1015 - It was poking fun at the conventions of the comic books though. The whole thing was laughing at comics at the time, and West's portrayal was as the deadpan straight man. The comics at the time were really kid-friendly, but they never aimed for humor.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 8/4/2020, 5:56 AM
@tmp3 - I still love the show honestly, it was my first Batman. Some great gems in there:

"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb."

"They may be drinkers Robin, but they're also human beings"
tmp3
tmp3 - 8/4/2020, 5:57 AM
@Nightwing1015 - Yeah, I think it's a great show. The humor works for the most part, and it's got a cool pop-art style to it. Still the only time "campy Batman" has ever worked.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 8/4/2020, 6:05 AM
@tmp3 - As @Nightwing1015 said, the Adam West series wasn't a parody of Batman comics so much as it was a very shrewd and effective adaptation of them. Here's a comic cover from 1961, about five years before the West series, with what could have been almost a screenshot of the series.



The TV show was actually extremely clever in how they took these pretty goofy and quite child-oriented comics and actually wrote some clever scripts with engaging dialogue along with innuendo to make it appealing to somewhat older kids and adults. The first season of the Adam West series has some legitimately good writing in it that shows they were working to make the project more than just an adaptation of kiddy books.

In some ways, it definitely took licenses. You could even argue that it "grew these characters up" in some very narrow ways (see Snyder, it's not the core idea, it's the execution). But it was never really a "parody" of the kind of self-serious Batman that we tend to think of as the default nowadays.

Batman had been pretty serious and dark for about a year, then he got Robin and generally lightened up a lot. By the 1960's, that fairly light and accessible (and goofy) Batman was the standard and had been for more than a decade.
tmp3
tmp3 - 8/4/2020, 6:13 AM
@Spock0Clock - I think the main distinction between those comics and the TV show for me is that the show had a level of self-awareness that the comics back then lacked. Batman was kind of a boring stiff on the page, hampered into a father figure for Robin due to restrictions from the Comics Code Authority, and the show used that to their advantage to make him the straight man of the show. The "BAM!" visuals all felt like them poking fun of the conventions of comic books at the time, albeit in good fun. While the comics played a lot of this stuff insanely straight, because that's what writers thought that kids would like, the show was lampooning them.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 8/4/2020, 6:22 AM
@tmp3 - I don't want to belabor the point here (especially if we're mostly having a semantic disagreement). I'll just say that I don't think that kind of self-awareness and camp necessarily means the show is lampooning or "laughing at" comics. RDJ's Iron Man took a fairly stiff self-serious character and used him as a running Greek chorus about how goofy his world is. Ant-Man and Spider-Man have been met multiple times with characters laughing at the very concept. But they don't approach anything I would consider close to parody.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 8/4/2020, 8:34 AM
@Origame - how about the phantom, batman and robin, steel, captain america (1997), etc?

Outside Batman and Robin none of those are because of the costumes, and even Batnipples were the least of B&R's problems.
Origame
Origame - 8/4/2020, 10:11 AM
@Reeds2Much - the point isnt that they sucked because of costumes. Its that they sucked and they had costumes. No one was gonna take it seriously if everyone was dressed in bright skintight costumes
dracula
dracula - 8/4/2020, 4:20 AM
Does this really need clearing up 20 years later?
Origame
Origame - 8/4/2020, 4:25 AM
@dracula - you're underestimating the pettiness of fans.
RolandD
RolandD - 8/4/2020, 8:18 AM
@dracula - There’s also a serious dearth of CBM news right now and we have to have content. LOL
Kumkani
Kumkani - 8/4/2020, 4:20 AM
If you understood what they wanted then why didn't you do it?

Not that I'm mad about it, I just find it a funny justification.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 8/4/2020, 4:38 AM
Who cares if it was a shot at them anyway? If a person can't take a tiny bit of good-natured ribbing about a hobby or interest, I'd hate to see how they'd handle actual criticism in their personal or professional lives. Surely, people can still be critical and joke about things they love and enjoy.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 8/4/2020, 4:43 AM
The black leather costumes have aged more poorly than (updated) comic-accurate costumes would have. Sam Raimi's Spider-Man came out only two years later with Spider-Man himself being pretty much straight from the page and they certainly didn't try to make Green Goblin look any less goofy than the comic version, and yet that movie dwarfed the first X-Men in terms of both the box office and lasting legacy, so I don't buy that they were a necessary evil back then.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 8/4/2020, 4:44 AM
"Hey, we hear you. We understand what you want."

...And we're going to dangle it over your heads for the next 20 years even though our direct competition is astronomically more successful when they straight up deliver what you want?

Just to be absolutely clear on what happened, let's look at the timeline. Fox made a movie in 2000 which poked fun at the idea of colorful comic-accurate costumes, and that movie was quite successful. Okay, fair enough. Nothing crazy so far. But then Sony released a movie two years later with a very accurate comicbook costume and made three times more at the box office.

Okay, so Fox has still decided that dark costumes are their thing... it works for Batman and hey, even Spider-Man 3 got in on the dark suit action. Right? Then Avengers made a billion and a half, and included by far the brightest and dorkiest Captain America costume since Rubber Ears.



And Fox's response to this? Yet another tease they never intended to fulfill.



And they swap the black leather for... brown leather, paisley shirts, and corduroy...



...Well, not everyone at Fox is oblivious to the lesson here, because they finally got around to doing Deadpool, with some of the most aggressively accurate costume designs Fox has ever allowed on screen, and (absurdly) it becomes the highest grossing X-Men movie of all time.

But here's the really stupid part. The truly baffling incredibly dumb part. Deadpool came out in 2016, and so did Apocalypse. We all know that Apocalypse flopped, and (maybe not coincidentally) the characters spend most of the movie in street clothes (again) and weird black plastic body armor. But they also decided to tease the classic costumes (again). We've all seen the costumes, and they're kind of a mess if you look at them close. Just really poorly constructed and cobbled together. It works well enough for a 10 second scene (which is all they were meant for), but you'd never use them for a whole movie.

...And then... (astoundingly).... they make a sequel. After they've teased these new individual comic-inspired costumes. After time and again other movie franchises have proven that these costumes are iconic, popular, and communicate something to the audience that says "this is a billion dollar movie".

AND STILL... THESE MOTHER [frick]ERS PUT THEM IN STREET CLOTHES AGAIN.



And again, they half-ass a handful of team uniforms, just like they've been doing all along. Hey, this time, they're blue and yellow! (Never mind they look like they've been stitched together by the world's least ambitious cosplayer from leftover upholstery fabric from a project to make the world's least interesting couch).





So... I don't care who or what they were trying to make fun of. They just clowned themselves for 20 years.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 8/4/2020, 5:47 AM
@AzulaCipher - I would have certainly liked to see it. It looks like it was a genuine good faith design (at least the mask part and gloves). It's impossible to know what the lines of the rest of the suit would have been (unless there is concept art I'm not aware of).

Or maybe the comic in Logan hints at the overall design they would have done (had they done it), with full sleeves and everything?
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