AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY - The Case For DOCTOR DOOM And His Role In The Story [SPOILERS]

AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY - The Case For DOCTOR DOOM And His Role In The Story [SPOILERS]

Last week it was announced that Victor Von Doom is taking the forefront in the upcoming Avengers movie. Response has been mixed, so here's my defense as to why I think it can work.

Feature Opinion
By bkmeijer1 - Jul 31, 2024 10:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

This year's San Diego Comic Con saw Marvel Studios return to Hall H, announcing the now titled Avengers: Doomsday will be directed by the Russos and will star Robert Downey Jr. as Victor von Doom. The former have proven they can handle the Marvel sandbox and could even bring order to the Multiverse, like they did with the help of physicists in Avengers: Endgame. Response to Doom has been mixed though, with only 20% of this site's poll voters loving it. As part of that 20%, I will try to explain why I think the move makes sense to me. Even if I already made my case once for the Kangs
 

Why it works (or not)

It's no secret that it didn't work out with Kang and the MCU had to pivot to another villain. However, any villain needs build-up. Even Thanos appeared before Avengers: Infinity War. With limited time to establish a new threat, Marvel has chosen a familiar face: Robert Downey Jr. Seeing him as the ultimate villain immediately invokes a sense of ''oh shit, that's trouble'' and raises intrigue about his transformation. Given Stark's arc and morally ambiguous actions he made, it's not difficult to imagine how a character like that turns into a villain. Even if he believes he's the hero.

Like Tony Stark, Victor von Doom is an ego-driven technological genius. Downey Jr. already portrayed the ultimate hero. and it would be a real shock to Avengers and audience alike that the ultimate villain is wearing the same face. This grabs the audience's attention, but the Russos know that a narrative reason is what keeps them engaged. For example, this Doom (possibly the last Illuminati member from Earth-838 with a personal vendetta and his Ultron at his side) is playing mind games and trying to mess with the Avengers by replacing his scarred face with that of Earth-616's greatest hero.

Ofcourse, it's also easy to see this as an act of desperation. Reception to Kang and the MCU wasn't great, so a new route had to be taken. Recasting Kang would've been easy, but might not have generated much interest given the character's initial lackluster impact. Moreover, many fans have pointed out Doom has a rich, layered history that deserves more build-up. While the general audience (i.e. the real target demographic) might not care for this depth, they could still be distracted by Downey Jr. in role that isn't his most famous one. Especially if they're less familiar with the Multiverse.
 

What it means for Doomsday

Regardless of what we think of it, it's a choice by Marvel Studios we have to accept. I wasn't a fan either of the casting initially, but when I started thinking about the possibilities my hype skyrocket. Although Feige nor the Russos confirmed where Doomsday would be based on (since there's no comic with that name), it could be base on Time Runs Out, the prelude to Secret Wars (2015). The namechange could imply that this time around the story is told from the perspective of Doom. And why wouldn't they with one the most famous and versatile actors in te movie portraying him?

In terms of story, Time Runs Out sees universe after universe falling to Incursions. The Cabal purposely destroys worlds to keep theirs from being next, while the Avengers and Doom seperately look for solutions. It is Doom that discovers that the Beyonders are responsible, and uses their own weapon (a Molecule Man-bomb) against them to steal their power to create Battleworld and rule it as God Emperor Doom. Like in the comics, this twist could be revealed in Secret Wars. Doomsday itself might refer to these events, either as literal doomsday (incursions of the Multiverse) or as Doom's day.

In the movie, some adjustments could make this work. The Council of Kangs can take the Cabal's place, with Doom quickly defeating them to establish he means business. The rest of the movie could focus on the Avengers trying to stop Doom, unbeknownst of his goals. In the end, instead of facing many Beyonders, Doom faces only one: the Kang from Quantumania that evolved into the Beyonder in the ants' pocket dimension. While Molecule Man doesn't appear in the MCU, the Scarlet Witch could take his place as the bomb in Time Runs out, while Loki takes his place as the battery in Secret Wars.

So, these are just a few reasons I could see it work. There are still many aspects I haven't covered, including what Kang Dynasty was initially about. Regardless, I think Doom is a better choice and a quicker route to Secret Wars than Kang or the Beyonder ever was, and that Feige, the Russos and McFeely can make it work. Secret Wars always needed the complex Doom, so might as well pull him forward. And a phenomenal actor like Oscar-winner Robert Downey Jr. has the chops to make that a unique performance. This is only my perspective though, so feel free to disagree in the comments below.

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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 8:45 AM
@NateBest - I wrote a new article again, but had some trouble uploading a banner image (almost as if the site didn't want me to upload that image). So if you have a few new errors in the website log, that's why
NateBest
NateBest - 7/31/2024, 10:56 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Thanks for the heads up! I know we were having some timeout issues earlier, but I haven't been able to figure out what was causing it 😡
narrow290
narrow290 - 7/31/2024, 11:37 AM
@bkmeijer1 - man, I feel much better now! No shit! Great article
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 1:52 PM
@NateBest - also thanks for putting it on the homepage and giving it the appropriate tag. I feel honored having written the first article under the "Avengers: Doomsday" tag
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 7/31/2024, 11:07 AM
That banner image is too funny 😂
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 11:16 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - I just couldn't resist. I added Iron Man's Mark I face plating to make it atleast somewhat relevant though
Batmangina
Batmangina - 7/31/2024, 12:54 PM
@bkmeijer1 - LOVE the banner image - the Amalgam Mashup we didn't know we needed.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/31/2024, 1:14 PM
@Batmangina - They did a Dr Doom/Doomsday amalgam once.
http://amalgam.fandom.com/wiki/Doctor_Doomsday
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 1:20 PM
@ObserverIO - I should've just used that one instead
Batmangina
Batmangina - 7/31/2024, 1:22 PM
@ObserverIO - Well damn. I actually liked quite a few of those Amalgam gimmick books but unless they are right in front of me, it would seem I forget they exist.

It SEEMED like it should have been a thing already...turns out it was.

Thank you for your service.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/31/2024, 11:13 AM
Great job, @bkmeijer1! 👏
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 11:17 AM
@JoshWilding - thanks man. It's still on you though to write that Multiverse lexicon
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/31/2024, 11:13 AM

THANK YOU BK!!!!!!

I love seeing a new face with a different type take in their article. Well done soldier!

I agree with a good deal of this, and the minor bits I question are not worth mentioning. (Because I'm sure plenty of nitpickers will do that part.)

I think this is the big take: RDJ is gonna put TONS of butts in seats. Regardless of the quality of the lead in movies, can the Russos spin magic again? It's gonna be a hell of a wild ride finding out.



bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 11:18 AM
@DocSpock - 100%. I think with Kang or Beyonder, recasted or not, this movie would've made around 1.5 billion. With the Russos and especially RDJ though, 2b easy. They're payday is definitely worth it for Disney.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 7/31/2024, 11:56 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Well done.

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WhateverItTakes
WhateverItTakes - 7/31/2024, 11:22 AM
Wilding has another name to add to his list
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 11:28 AM
@WhateverItTakes - I hate to break your shitting on Josh streak, but I'm no Josh.

Unless you mean another list Josh keeps I'm on now, and I'm not sure I wanna know what that list is.
WhateverItTakes
WhateverItTakes - 7/31/2024, 12:37 PM
@bkmeijer1 - you being no Josh is a good thing
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 7/31/2024, 11:24 AM
Whoa editorials are back! Reminds me of the olden days haha. Nice job mate.

I personally hope that Doom is scarred or masked throughout, and unrecognisable as RDJ. I don't need the subplot of everyone being like 'whoa he looks like Tony'. Doom is a character that can get away with never showing his true face. Jury's out on whether RDJ would be happy with that.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 11:30 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - I hope he's masked in Doomsday for the most time, with maybe once or twice showing his (heavily) scarred face.

Then when he gets those Beyonder powers, that's the moment he restores his face. But it's not until Secret Wars we see that it's Tony Stark's face (even though we all know it's RDJ). Dude's twisted, so right up his alley to pull a move like that.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2024, 11:25 AM
The Russos with this writer made Hulk a pussy and Thor a fat drunk.




#neverforget
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 1:47 PM
@McMurdo - thats 2 out of like, what? 80 characters. One of which was at it's peak in Infinity War. I won't forget, but I'll give them a pass
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2024, 3:41 PM
@bkmeijer1 - the two most powerful characters and personally, my favorite Avengers. If Hulk wasn't a pussy in Infinity War it would a been a 10/10 for me
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 5:13 PM
@McMurdo - I figured as much from your profile picture. I didn't mind the direction of the character, but the execution didn't land fully
Ryan
Ryan - 7/31/2024, 11:30 AM
Marvel will probably cover Dooms origin in Doomsday. I think it would be interesting to have him as an ally during the movie and get a fake origin and then have the real origin be discovered in Secret Wars. Hopefully it won't feel rushed.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 11:32 AM
@Ryan - I hope so too. Could see Doom portray himself as a hero and the savior of the multiverse in Doomsday. Secret Wars could then indeed show his real origin, kinda like how that also happened in the 2015 comics.
LeDiableBlanc
LeDiableBlanc - 7/31/2024, 11:37 AM
Good article, I can certainly see time runs out as the basis for the Doomsday.
Antitrollpatrol
Antitrollpatrol - 7/31/2024, 12:01 PM
I think it might be interesting to see them tie thunderbolts into this. Maybe multiverse doom contacted val and placed "bob" sentry in place of molecule man to be an anchor being.
I've also thought that spidey might be the MCU anchor being and that he'll be killed by kingpin in the next spidey movie. Venom symbiote brings him back to life but he's still technically dead to the multiverse. Could be what causes the MCU to shatter and all hell breaks loose with the incursions. Since it's the main timeline it would make sense that the death of 616 would occur quicker after their anchor being dies.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 12:11 PM
@Antitrollpatrol - Val being an agent for Doom could be really interesting. Would be wild if you're spot-on with that.

As for the anchor being in the MCU, it could be anyone. But really, can it be anyone else but Tony Stark himself? That's the ultimate turn of events.
Antitrollpatrol
Antitrollpatrol - 7/31/2024, 1:21 PM
@bkmeijer1 - you're right also everything went to crap with the multiverse after endgame. It would make sense narratively for it to be tony. I just think to move on from iron man and further separate doom it would work with spidey but I'm curious to see what happens in the next 22 months before doomsday comes out.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 1:24 PM
@Antitrollpatrol - whatever they're planning, I do hope there's a scene in there with Holland's Spider-Man and RDJ's Doom.

And yeah, wild to think it's less than two years away.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/31/2024, 12:04 PM
Good points and article my friend.

I honestly am probably the only one bummed more about the pivot from Kang to Doom then RDJ playing the latter lol.

Sure , the Kang stuff felt all over the place due to the excess of projects (though I was still enjoying it ) but I do think it could have come together into something strong if given the chance with a new actor as the prime version and main villain.

Now it feels more disjointed to me but hey ,The Russo’sand McFeely have more then earned goodwill at this point so I’m hopeful it will turn out well.

In regards to RDJ as Doom , still somewhat mixed on the choice since I would have liked a new actor in the role in the first place but you are right that having RDJ in the role due to Multiverse shenanigans doesn’t require the character to have a lot of buildup since there could already be emotional “stakes” once it is revealed he has Tony’s face for some of the characters.

Fingers crossed it all works out!!.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 12:13 PM
@TheVisionary25 - thanks. And yeah, emotional stakes is definitely the way to put it when it comes to casting RDJ as Doom.

As for Kang being left on the sidelines, that's kinda why I suggested Council of Kangs taking the Cabal's place and the Beyonder being a Kang variant. The roles are small, but still pivotal.
BrainySleep
BrainySleep - 7/31/2024, 12:11 PM
Good read, I miss seeing this kind of article on here.
Huskers
Huskers - 7/31/2024, 1:06 PM
I’m all for Dr. Doom, he’s one of my favorite comic villains. I just don’t like the idea of him being played by the same guy that played Iron Man in the same universe.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 1:27 PM
@Huskers - I totally understand. There's many other actors that could've done the job just as well, but with them Marvel wouldn't have had this unique angle to it.

I refuse to believe this is just a stunt casting to get attention. Feige, the Russos, McFeely and RDJ wouldn't do this if they didn't have more in store I think.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/31/2024, 1:18 PM
This is a fantastic article, thank you for posting this.

I think it's been pretty obvious, over the last week that Marvel are cooking.
The dark times are over, Marvel Studios is back on top and back on form.

I say let 'em cook!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/31/2024, 1:29 PM
@ObserverIO - thanks. And yeah, I agree. The more I think about it, the more I start to like it. This brings with it a lot of unique opportunities.

And I've also been thinking about working out the Phoenix Saga idea, but I haven't really thought of a hook or an angle yet.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/31/2024, 4:11 PM
Great article, buddy! I would love to see editorials become a thing again around here. It's pretty much the only thing I write when I find time to do articles. And I generally find them to he the most entertaining.

Again, great work, man.
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