Russo Brothers Talk MCU Return And AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY And SECRET WARS' Place In The Multiverse Saga

Russo Brothers Talk MCU Return And AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY And SECRET WARS' Place In The Multiverse Saga

Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars directors Joe and Anthony Russo have talked more about their MCU return and addressed how their story ties into the Multiverse Saga's throughline. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Mar 02, 2025 04:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday
Source: The Playlist

Despite shifting focus to their AGBO endeavours after Avengers: Endgame was released in 2019, the Russo Brothers have returned to the MCU to helm Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars

The Playlist recently caught up with the filmmakers to learn more about what led to that and Joe admitted that neither he nor Anthony are necessarily feeling the pressure. Instead, they're fully invested in telling the right story. 

"We definitely try to - I mean, we did so many of those movies in a row that you sort of forget about the pressure," Joe explained. "The job is so all-encompassing and so intense that you can’t really think about, 'Well, what are people going to feel or think about this?' All you can think about is, 'Is this a good story that we want to tell or not? Why are we doing it?'"

In fact, it was falling in love with the story they created that sold the Russos on reassembling the Avengers. "So we’re exclusively focused on the storytelling right now," Joe said. "And that’s the thing that brought us back - an idea for a story where we went, 'That’s a really, really interesting story to tell.'"

He added, "And now we’re just focused on executing that idea. Pressure and fear usually make for very poor decision-making. So hopefully we just stay calm and keep making the stories the way we like to see them."

The Multiverse Saga hasn't had quite the same strong throughline as the Infinity Saga. In that, Thanos was set up as the big bad six years before Avengers: Infinity War was released. This time, Kang the Conqueror was meant to headline these new movies but has since been swapped out for Doctor Doom.

Some fans have complained about the switch, but likey forget that even Thanos only had three minutes of screentime before taking centre stage in Infinity War

Asked about playing with the Multiverse Saga's connectivity, Anthony shared, "Look, what you’re describing is like one of the most valuable aspects of the experience for us as fans and as storytellers. So, we lean into that in a strong way and we really feel like [the connective throughline is] one of the most unique things the MCU can do that other forms of cinematic storytelling can’t do."

"Part of the reason why we became reactivated - like Joe was describing in terms of like falling in love with a story that we felt was powerful and needed to be told—is exactly what you’re describing is that there is a narrative through everything." 

As for what they hope to achieve with Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, he teased, "Even that portion of the narrative that has been unfolding since the end of 'Endgame.' We’re hopeful that we can pick up the story in a way that kind of honors what’s happened between now and then, but also moves it forward."

It's clear the Russos have big plans for these movies, something that was evident from yesterday's concept art leak for Avengers: Doomsday. You can learn more about that by clicking here.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive in May 2027.

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/2/2025, 4:53 AM
Don't forget the Arishem narrative. Talk about a major loose end that needs to be tied up.

He has to give us a thumbs up or a thumbs down.
You could do a sequel to Eternals where the superheroes have to fight to get a thumbs up or fight tto save the Earth from athumbs down but... ehhhhhh...

Better to just tie up that loose end in Doomsday. It's thumbs down and the whole multiverse will end. The judgment is: Doom.
GirshwinDavies
GirshwinDavies - 3/2/2025, 9:53 AM
@ObserverIO - Brigham O'Malley
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/2/2025, 10:06 AM
@GirshwinDavies - Scarlet Peligro vs le world
GirshwinDavies
GirshwinDavies - 3/2/2025, 10:11 AM
@ObserverIO - Just bring back Frosty O'Bantrum for phucksake
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 3/2/2025, 11:05 AM
@ObserverIO - I'm really hoping Thor 5 is a team up with the Eternals and maybe even Captain Marvel and the new Guardians, and they have to deal with the Celestials.

In the comics after Eternals was cancelled they picked up the Celestial saga in a Thor book so it would be poetic for that to happen in the movies too.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/2/2025, 11:23 AM
@IronDean2099 - That was an excellent Thor run, but do we really need Thor 5 being an Eternals 2 but without the Eternals, like Cap 4 was a The Incredible Hulk 2 but without Hulk?

Also, as good as that run was, it's prob one of my favorites, it's mostly just stuff from the Ring Cycle and the first of many 'This is Thor's REAL mother' reveals. The resolution of the Arishem thing was basically he gave us a thumbs up and then rocketed into space.

A more epic resolution will always be a thumbs down, but then the end of the world has to follow. Luckily that's exactly what's probably happing in the movie they call 'Doomsday'.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 3/2/2025, 4:31 PM
@ObserverIO - well it'd be a loose adaption with Thor, Cap Marvel, GOTG and the remaining Eternals all banding together to confront the Celestials. Maybe Arishem gives earth the thumbs down and they all have to travel through space on a mission to stop the others from coming.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/2/2025, 4:35 PM
@IronDean2099 - That could be a sub-plot in Doomsday. One set of Avengers (mostly cosmic) go on the side quest.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 3/2/2025, 7:06 PM
@ObserverIO - bit much for a sub plot.
KwisatzHaderach
KwisatzHaderach - 3/2/2025, 5:00 AM
Remember these guys have been talking about this for nearly 10 years. If anyone had the idea to pull this off, it was them
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/2/2025, 10:28 AM
@KwisatzHaderach - Good or bad everything up till now has introduced a lot of characters and made it logical how ones from other studios/franchises over the last thirty years or more could turn up.

Secret Wars NEEDS a lot of characters properly established to work as not enough time to introduce everyone to them all and no matter how big the threat the stakes don't feel high and deaths don't have much impact if we don't know and understand the characters.

I frankly don't care if anyone thinks everything since Endgame has been bad, it has given the Russo's what they need to craft a once in a lifetime event film only previously possible with animation.

Let them cook and lets see if the end result is good or not for ourselves regardless how much or little we have liked post Endgame. If it turns out great even the weaker entries in the MCU will likely have been worth existing in order to achieve what I thought just a decade ago to be impossible.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/2/2025, 12:09 PM
@KwisatzHaderach - they don't get final Cut so I wouldn't go that far. Hopefully Feige is desperate enough to actually listen
KwisatzHaderach
KwisatzHaderach - 3/2/2025, 12:25 PM
@bobevanz - I would. They’ve directed 2/5 of the highest grossing movies of all-time. Nobody has more clout at Marvel Studios/Disney other than RDJ himself
KwisatzHaderach
KwisatzHaderach - 3/2/2025, 12:26 PM
@bobevanz - And James Cameron
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/2/2025, 5:13 AM
Sounds good!!.

The Russo’s just seem to be more locked in for lack of a better word when they work within the Marvel world then outside it (though I did think The Gray Man was decent) whether it’s because of their collaborators or whatever it maybe…

Also they are right in that there’s a 100 things to do for every director in any movie but even moreso on one that’s of this scale & scope with so many moving parts that you can’t really afford to feel the pressure and just have to move forward with the belief that you think the story you are trying to tell is interesting & engaging enough on its own that it’ll connect to someone out there , if not everyone.
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 3/2/2025, 5:21 AM
I don't know about this. These phase 4 & 5 entries had a terrible job building a new big bad and i hope they will make doctor doom a center stage on avengers 5 & 6. Almost him as protagonist and the avengers as side characters. Endgame thanos felt like a generic bad guy. I hope this time around dr. Doom will be front and center in these 2 avengers films
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/2/2025, 6:18 AM
@Gabimaru - There's no such thing as a plan in the MCU. The Infinity Saga is an accidental success made from contrived backstories that somehow tied every film together.

Take away the serialized nature, and the Multiverse Saga is born. Nothing connects them together unless the rest of the television series are re-released as films (tried to edit them into three-hour cuts before and never tried it again).
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/2/2025, 10:32 AM
@MGSSnake1988 - Technicaly you don't need a plan much in advance to do a crisis on infinate Earths type event, you simply need a LOT of established franchises and characters to set it up then have something or someone to come along and make them all come together for the story.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/2/2025, 5:23 AM
If these guys can retroactively make the multiverse saga better the way T:LAT made Ragnarok worse , I will forever be in awe
Spike101
Spike101 - 3/2/2025, 6:18 AM
@ProfessorWhy - that is a very good point, if they used all the plot threads like Blade, Black Knight and Star Fox for example people might understand why some of these movies were made.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/2/2025, 6:24 AM
@Spike101 - I'm my opinion, even tho there are elements I loathe, Endgame makes all prior MCU movies better by aligning,defining, and completing character arcs
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/2/2025, 6:34 AM
@ProfessorWhy - A heavy task for sure. Imagine Doomsday retroactively revealing the events of Eternals, Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, and Brave New World exist in an alternate universe. And Secret Wars merged them all together into one branch.

It's the only way to redeem these projects from oblivion.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/2/2025, 6:36 AM
@MGSSnake1988 - I've thought about that, and suspected it. That twist reopens everything
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/2/2025, 6:42 AM
@ProfessorWhy - At the very least, a reward will be given for watching them again.

As an added bonus, the Cap from Brave New World will not be the one appearing. Instead, the same Sam Wilsom from Endgame actually appeared with an actual character development.

Sadly, this may not be the case but an exciting idea to be explored nevertheless.
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/2/2025, 6:14 AM
Somehow, there's a trend in the superhero genre where Oscar winning talents screw superherk films.

For instance, Chris Terrio wrote Batman v Superman and Justice League, Ben Affleck became Daredevil and Batman, Brie Larson became Captain Marvel, and Chloe Zhao directed Eternals. These were some of the worst decisions known in the genre.

If fellow Oscar winners RDJ and the Russos screw up these two Avenhers films, it'll take a long time for the genre to save itself.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/2/2025, 12:11 PM
@MGSSnake1988 - Terrio was a hack who got lucky (Argo sucked) Ben Affleck had star appeal and he was stuck with shitty writers and directors, the same can be said for Brie, and Chloe didn't get final Cut so she had to bend the knee
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 3/2/2025, 6:34 AM
If anyone can fix this shite, it's them.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 3/2/2025, 6:54 AM
I don't see them fixing this sinking ship.

Also, that thumbnail...

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gambgel
gambgel - 3/2/2025, 8:04 AM
I just hope they make good use of Scarlet Witch, SheHulk and Captain Marvel after all this time, and now that the Russos are more familiar with these big events and characters.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/2/2025, 11:41 AM
@gambgel - they couldn't even make good use of the Hulk and Thor.
cadunovaes01
cadunovaes01 - 3/2/2025, 9:57 AM
I talked once with Anthony (during Civil War press junket) and the guy is very passionate about this movies and storytelling. I trust them.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/2/2025, 11:42 AM
@cadunovaes01 - Anthony and I used to do our laundry at the same laundromat on the corner of Haywood St and Hooker Ave. I concur, he's a passionate son of a bitch.
GirshwinDavies
GirshwinDavies - 3/2/2025, 9:57 AM
I hope they bring in Lace Whitgoo too at least salvage some of the damage. He's such a talent
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/2/2025, 12:13 PM
The Russos are life! They're responsible for two of my favorite sitcoms: Community and Arrested Development. I'll always give them a chance. Hopefully they had specific deals that gave them more leverage than usual considering they're the golden boys of Marvel
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 3/2/2025, 12:52 PM
My only issue, or just the major one anyway, is that there's been no proper lead up to Doom the way there was for Thanos. They're seriously just going to drop him into this major story as Emperor God Doom suddenly. Messy, messy, messy.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 3/2/2025, 2:20 PM
@RitoRevolto - That really the studios fault. I think Doomsday is essentially an FF movie to bridge that gap. Hopefully, the FF know exactly who he is so its more of a continuation for them. If they knew they were dumping Kang in time, I think FF would have been a very differnt movie.

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