AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Writers Admit To Being Left Confused By AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON's Mid-Credit Scene

AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Writers Admit To Being Left Confused By AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON's Mid-Credit Scene

Thanos made his third Marvel Cinematic Universe at the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron in a mid-credits scene many fans described as baffling. Well, it turns out the Avengers: Infinity War writers agree...

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By JoshWilding - Mar 21, 2018 12:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Infinity War
Source: Slash Film
Marvel Studios can seemingly do no wrong but an argument could be made that they've mishandled Thanos over the past few years. He first popped up at the end of The Avengers in a brilliant mid-credits scene but then made a small cameo appearance in Guardians of the Galaxy and later popped up at the end of Age of Ultron where he made it clear that he was ready to start collecting the Infinity Stones.

That seemingly came as a result of the Mad Titan being fed up with the likes of Loki, Gamora, and Ronin letting him down but many fans were baffled by the appearance of the Infinity Gauntlet in what looked like an air vent and the implication that Thanos had been sitting around doing nothing.

Now, Avengers: Infinity War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely have weighed in on the scene and it doesn't sound like they're fans of the choices Joss Whedon made with the villain.
 
At the end of Ultron, he said “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”
 
Stephen McFeely: Not our movie.
 
[laughter]
 
Christopher Markus: And we’ve all sat there and went, “What the hell is he talking about? Where was he when he did that?”
 
There was also the other gauntlet in [Odin’s treasure room].
 
Stephen McFeely: Another delightful, delightful problem.
 
Christopher Markus: Odin’s a bit of a showman. Thanos turns out to have quite a few people to talk to both on his side and not on his side. Weirdly I think he’s the most understandable guy in the movie sometimes.
 
So, it doesn't sound like we should expect to revisit this scene in Avengers: Infinity War but it will be interesting seeing if the movie sheds any light on where Thanos found the real Infinity Gauntlet and why he chose to send others to find the Infinity Stones for such a long time. What do you guys think? As always, be sure to let us know your thoughts on this in the comments section down below. 
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HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 3/21/2018, 12:53 PM
I don't see any problems with that scene.
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 3/21/2018, 1:14 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - To me the biggest problem with that scene is it made it seem as if Thanos was watching Ultron fail in his attempt to defeat the Avengers even though they had nothing to do with each other. Conventional wisdom would say that maybe that scene takes place after Guardians Vol.1 after Ronin failed him but to my knowledge that wouldn't fit in the timeline.

I honestly just think it was the then creative group and suits just wanting to remind the audience that Thanos exists and is coming in the 3rd film.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 3/21/2018, 1:19 PM
@LongMayHeReign - To be honest, I never got that impression at all. It was always, to me, a scene indicating Thanos was tired of sitting in the chair. I never saw any connection to Thanos because we were never shown any connection to Thanos. Just because it was an after credits scene in Age of Ultron doesn't mean it has anything to do with Ultron himself.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 3/21/2018, 1:26 PM
*connection to Ultron
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 3/21/2018, 1:32 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - True that could be a way to look at it. It's just the line itself that seems like it's trying to imply that that he was actually watching what had just happened in Ultron.

It's like if my Moms asks me how to redirect an email or some simple computer shit and I tell her over the phone but she just can't figure it out. Eventually I would see myself saying "Fine, I'll come over and do it myself".

But you may be right, I guess the only way to truly know is to ask Joss. He doesn't seem too busy someone should hit him up on twitter. lol
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/21/2018, 1:34 PM
The truth is, none of the scenes had problems.

AoU Thanos credit scene;
The movie explained it. The Mind Stone is alive, it thinks and communicates. The Mind Stone birthed Ultron.



Thanos had the Mind Stone prior. You really think after being defeated in Avengers that Thanos wouldn't be watching Earth waiting for his time to strike? Throw into this that the post credit scenes could occur whenever and they could have wrote this to be Thanos stealing the Gauntlet from whenever/wherever.

Instead of including this or explaining it, it sounds like they are ignoring it - so we have no explanation of Thanos getting the Gauntlet... i guess he just has it ¬.¬

Gauntlet;
The Gauntlet in Thor was an easter egg, yet they could have easily used it as a set-up to explain who created the Infinity Gauntlet, develop the Infinity Stones story line or even set-up the idea of Thor knowing about the Dwarf King Eitri before Infinity War.

They had story potential, yet got rid of it in a gag.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 3/21/2018, 1:45 PM
@LongMayHeReign - Well Ultron wasn't collecting the stone for Thanos. So while I agree with your middle paragraph, we must remember that Thanos is uttering this after the failure of Loki (who doesn't collect the space stone and loses the mind stone) and Ronan (who takes and then loses the power stone). I think it would be too much reading into the scene to try to make it connected to Ultron at all. Could he have been watching over? Maybe, but that's not what the scene indicates.
CuddlyCereal
CuddlyCereal - 3/21/2018, 3:45 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - The problem I had with it was that Thanos just picks up one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe out of....somewhere? Some random inconsequential vault I guess? Idk just seemed weird to me.
ThanosFanBoy
ThanosFanBoy - 3/21/2018, 5:09 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - that's assuming that Loki failed. Perhaps it went exactly according to Thanos' plan. If this is correct, then this explains the current writers frustration with the old mid credits scene.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 3/21/2018, 5:45 PM
@CuddlyCereal - I really didn't have any issue with that. Perhaps he's raiding some vault, or he's had the gauntlet in his own vault for some time and just hasn't gotten the stones as he had planned.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 3/21/2018, 5:46 PM
@ThanosFanBoy - If it did go according to his plan, with Loki failing and losing the mind stone AND not retrieving the space stone, I'd be surprised. But we shall see soon enough!
CuddlyCereal
CuddlyCereal - 3/21/2018, 6:21 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - I mean this is kind of my point. If we had gotten just a little bit of context like something you suggested it would have been fine.

Instead we have no context and what should be a big moment (Thanos getting the Gauntlet) is portrayed in a random 10 second scene. Not a huge issue in the grand scope of things just a little weird imo is all.
incredibleTalk
incredibleTalk - 3/21/2018, 6:40 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - I just really think that the studio wanted a Thanos end credit at the end of every Avengers film letting the audience know that he is still coming...not that it had anything to do with the film...this could be what happened after he stood up in the Avengers end credit not after Ultron's failure!If there is an end credit of Thanos behind IW we could put all three together in chronicle order and it would make since...my theory!!!
willyburz
willyburz - 3/21/2018, 7:36 PM
@Scarilian - they had to make it a throwaway in Thor Ragnarok, because of this credit scene...otherwise he would have went to odins vault. Either way, not the best way of handling it, but it's still working out👍👍 Nothing too outlandish.
ThanosFanBoy
ThanosFanBoy - 3/21/2018, 9:10 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Perhaps Loki feels like he lost and failed (Avengers would agree), but the Thanos in the comics would consider it a success, part of his game of chess. From the comments of the writers, it seems they agree!
Fogs
Fogs - 3/22/2018, 5:43 AM
@Scarilian - Thank you for explaining the Ultron-Thanos connection. That was also what I got from AOU.

About the gauntlet in Odin's vault, the only problem with that is that it existed before? Thanos previously wore it? Cause in the comics the gauntlet is just part of his armor. He had all stones before? If not who had it?

Kind of a problem, really.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/22/2018, 8:42 AM
@willyburz -
The gauntlet in Odin's vault is for the right hand while the gauntlet that Thanos has is for his left hand.


@Fogs -
I see those more as potential story telling opportunities. Thanos is not the only worn who has worn an Infinity Gauntlet and the MCU seems to be introducing Celestials, who were implied to have wielded the Infinity Stones in the past.

Personally thought that they would write it so that Eitri the Dwarf King designed a Gauntlet to contain the Infinity Stones, the one in Odin's vault being a prototype or perhaps worn by one of the Celestials - further delving into the lore of the Infinity Stones.

Thanos would then have forced Eitri to create a Gauntlet for him - and the thing we see him retrieve it from would be effectively an advanced '3D Printer' or a 'Kiln' to forge weapons - and we could then see Thor using the same device to craft his weapon in Infinity War.
willyburz
willyburz - 3/22/2018, 7:27 PM
@Scarilian - I get it, but I'm guessing the original easter egg in the vault hadn't come to full fruition in the planning stage yet. It was just a general Marvel Easter Egg at the time in my opinion. It's before the Avengers movie at that point as well. I'm not bothered either way, just an obsvervation.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/21/2018, 12:55 PM
At the end of Ultron, he said “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”

Stephen McFeely: Not our movie.

[laughter]

Christopher Markus: And we’ve all sat there and went, “What the hell is he talking about? Where was he when he did that?”
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