AVENGERS: Here's The Latest On Whether DOOMSDAY And SECRET WARS Will Deal With Kang - Possible SPOILERS

AVENGERS: Here's The Latest On Whether DOOMSDAY And SECRET WARS Will Deal With Kang - Possible SPOILERS

While Marvel Studios has shifted focus to Doctor Doom for the remainder of the Multiverse Saga, we now have a small update on how Kang the Conqueror's absence could be handled in Doomsday and Secret Wars.

By JoshWilding - Nov 25, 2024 09:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Secret Wars

We first met Kang's "He Who Remains" Variant at the end of Loki's first season. It was revealed that, following a Multiversal War, he was the last Kang standing and free to then create his own "Sacred Timeline" to rule over. 

Having grown bored with an eternity trapped at the end of time, He Who Remains hoped Loki and Sylvie would take his place. Instead, the latter killed him, though we'd later learn it was all part of Kang's plan as he knew he'd be resurrected after the failing Time Loom destroyed the TVA and branching timelines (all while leaving the Sacred Timeline to thrive). 

Loki refused to follow He Who Remains' path and instead created a new Multiverse powered by him, giving everyone free will and his friends at the TVA enough time to prepare for the war to come with Kang's Variants. 

We met one in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania when it was revealed the Council of Kangs had trapped Kang the Conquerer - who was seemingly killed by the lead heroes - in the Quantum Realm due to the threat he posed to their plans. And, in Loki season 2's closing moments, the TVA briefly mentioned that they were keeping an eye on Kang's Variants. 

Now you're up to speed, we're sure you'll agree that there are still a lot of stories to tell with the time-travelling villain. Instead, Jonathan Majors' legal issues and subsequent firing led Marvel Studios to rename Avengers: The Kang Dynasty as Avengers: Doomsday, swapping out Kang for Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom. 

Similar to Eternals' cliffhanger, it seems we're meant to assume the TVA dealt with his Variants before they could start a war, leaving the Ant-Man threequel's post-credits scene and the villain's story largely unresolved.

According to reliable insider @Crypitc4KQual, "Last [I] reported, his role was gonna be diminished and it seems now they're aiming for no presence whatsoever. Most [we get] is a Kang namedrop."

A namedrop would go some way in satisfying fans, even if it's just to confirm that Doom wiped out the Council. Marvel Studios could choose to just move on from Kang and pretend he never existed, but that would be akin to forgetting Thanos after his Guardians of the Galaxy role and all that Infinity Stones set-up. 

So, a disappointing update for the most part. Still, if you got this far, we have something else for you. In another X post, the insider has strongly hinted that there's been some movement on the Wolverine vs. Hulk project that was first rumoured to be in the works earlier this year.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive in May 2027.

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/25/2024, 9:17 AM
He should be the villain of Young Avengers/Champions. If Ironheart is there instead of Iron Lad then just make her the younger version of Kang and cast an older black woman to play Kang.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/25/2024, 9:34 AM
@ObserverIO - either ultron or kang for champions villain. Im all for that.

Have kang for the disney+ villain and have it wrap up the kang story line. Make have Cassie's familiarity with the Conqueror be the thread

Then when champions are a mature group, have them work with west coast avengers to take down Ultron for good
TheyDont
TheyDont - 11/25/2024, 9:38 AM
@ObserverIO - At this point it's like raping comic Kang's corpse
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 11/25/2024, 10:32 AM
@ObserverIO - Not only was Kang defeated by ants, now you want a bunch of kids to bully the guy XD
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/25/2024, 10:49 AM
@Urubrodi - Rather than the real Avengers, yes I think they're much better suited.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/25/2024, 10:50 AM
@Vigor - Cassie's connection makes it perfect. Good call.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 11/25/2024, 11:00 AM
@ObserverIO - I don't think Kang should be treated as a low tier villain... but since the MCU already turned him into one, then maybe it could work. I really enjoyed Kate Bishop in the Hawkeye series, bue when she singlehandedly defeated Kingpin, that bothered me. Some villains deserve some more respect than others. Unfortunately for Kang he lost his after being defeated by ants.

I personally always though Arcade (which is very underrated) would make for a great Young Avengers/Champions villain. You could have a Hunger Game type of movie with superheroes. Plus it could be used as an excuse to kill some of the worst ones...
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/25/2024, 11:07 AM
@Urubrodi - Arcade would make for a great movie. Always thought that. Such a great concept. One that's often used in horror movies though, but a Marvel version of that would be pretty cool. You're right though there'd have to be a body count.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/25/2024, 9:21 AM
Man , that sucks if true but oh well…

I wish they just continued on with their story by recasting the character instead of abandoning him all together but I say that as someone who was enjoying that story so oh well.

I think we should have Doomsday open with the Council being wiped out by Doom , it would help establish him as a threat imo.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/25/2024, 9:33 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I agree with you quite a bit. I'll say this does take some of the magic out of disney/mcu for me a little bit
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/25/2024, 9:35 AM
@Vigor - same

It just feels so unlike them since it’s so reactionary
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/25/2024, 9:54 AM
@TheVisionary25 - wanted to say the same thing about the Council being wiped out as a cold open. It takes care of Kangs and introduces Doom perfectly.
MG0019
MG0019 - 11/25/2024, 9:31 AM
Just move on. No explanation needed.

To the general audience, the overblown Kang The Conqueror was killed by ants.

Lame end to a lame villain. Nobody is asking what happened to the dark elves from Thor. Same difference.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/25/2024, 9:36 AM
@MG0019 - the thing is. Kang was just 1 variant. There were more variants to kang. And until the muktiverse saga concludes, the "kang threat" still exists as the TVA noted in loki season 2 finale

He's overshadowed by Doom and king Thanos and Maestro. So it's probably best i guess to forget him. I just always liked the villain and wished we had a clean send off
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/25/2024, 11:01 AM
@MG0019 - never want him in movies he’s powerful in books he’s not powerful in movies be beat by ants in books thanos is more popular than kang and stronger if kang is that strong in books how is it kang is not always going after earth and avengers it’s always thanos kang nothing special to him like stilt man
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 11/25/2024, 1:49 PM
@MG0019 - The "killed by ants" thing is only a problem for the sort of people on this site, or others of intense fandom. The general audience wan't bothered by it because they followed the concept of it being just one of many Kangs.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 11/25/2024, 9:38 AM
... He who no longer remains??
someone get a Dr. Evil gif in here...
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 11/25/2024, 4:25 PM
@AgentofSH1ELD -

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AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 11/26/2024, 5:20 AM
@IAmAHoot - !!! :D
JayLemle
JayLemle - 11/25/2024, 9:41 AM
I don't think most viewers will care if Kang is completely forgotten. The public spoke when they didn't go see Ant Man 3. With larger-scale and (arguably) more popular characters, there will have been enough time from 2023-2026 that we will have gotten Kang.
SATW42
SATW42 - 11/25/2024, 9:46 AM
@JayLemle - I don't think you can say "people don't care about Kang, look at Ant-Man 3" when someone can counterpoint "people do care about Kang, look at Loki Season 2"
JayLemle
JayLemle - 11/25/2024, 11:38 AM
@SATW42 - the turnout for Ant Man 3 was just so low. It took me until the last few months to FINALLY watch it myself. While I did like it myself, I don't think people gave two shits because of other factors. Like: DEI, woke, race-swap, Kang supposed to be a VERY powerful but looking "weak" by being defeated in Ant Man 3, among any other issues people have with the film. Majors is a great actor (also, just my opinion), but I don't think the Marvel public will care as much as they did (IF they even did) when Kang was our guy. Once people see that DOOM mask in an after-credits stinger, it's going to be one literal wet dream for Marvel nerds, LOL. That's no diss either. If the FF movie is good, which I don't doubt it will be, it'll be "Kang, who?" after that.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/25/2024, 12:15 PM
@JayLemle - Ant-Man 3 was bad because of everything besides Kang & Kangs defeat. He should- yea, he MUST RETURN.

Have him pop up after the Doom conflict/Secret Wars, with a potential resurrection for Doom. Both should have alterior motives with their alliance, and full intention of betraying one another. 🪙 🪙
JayLemle
JayLemle - 11/25/2024, 12:50 PM
@KennKathleen - that would be awesome to see. No doubt about that. Just like that Deadpool/Thor sequence playing on the screen, we'll probably see that resolved, and a resolution for Kang. Kang's appearances were somewhat limited that I think a recast would've been justified. I bet we're only going to get a mention of Kang. IF, even that. It'll be interesting to see how Kang's overall existence in the cinematic universe, is handled.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/25/2024, 9:12 PM
@JayLemle - I hope they give some credible substance. The fans deserve better, and Majors has no reason to be fully off the table.

The beauty of Kang is his storytelling flexibility.

Say for instance, Doom DOES go and destroy the counsel of Kangs in one fell swoop....

There could be a Kang who goes back in time, to place the idea in Dooms head, therfore using Doom as a heavy tool for a greater goal.

The capability of Kang fully resides on the level of usage MARVEL wants to get out of the character.

When it's all said and done, I hope he has a satisfying run, with Johnathan Majors as the face of the character.
SATW42
SATW42 - 11/25/2024, 9:45 AM
I've long maintained even before Doom was announced, that whatever the threat was, it should just wipe out the council of Kangs in one hit, let that be how they establish it as a threat, and just move on. I do think they should show it though, a random name drop and something happening off screen seems weird. I don't know how his deal with Disney was structured, but just show doom showing up outside the arena, and maybe cut to inside when all the kangs are showing up and screaming, and then hard cut to a massive explosion and back to doom.

Kang threat neutralized, Doom a badass, the end.
SethBullock
SethBullock - 11/25/2024, 9:46 AM
Lame.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/25/2024, 9:46 AM
to the GA when they even "name drop" Kang:

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SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 11/25/2024, 9:54 AM
I mean, you could retcon the anticipation a bit and just say he was built up to be the Ant-Man 3 villain. Doesn’t do the character justice, but I don’t think dropping him is as big of a deal as Thanos. Most of the MCU characters still have no idea who Kang is. It’s a thread you could drop for now and pick up down the road after Secret Wars.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/25/2024, 9:56 AM
Kang only being namedropped would be kinda lame. He played his part as HWR, Kang and Timely, but some resolution would be nice. TVA just dealing with the council is too easy.

Think they should instead have the Council take the place of the Beyonders in Secret Wars. Doom swoops in, steals their power, and builds up Battleworld.
Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 11/25/2024, 10:07 AM
Wolverine vs Hulk could be awesome.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 11/25/2024, 10:14 AM
@Jackraow21 - Hard pass if it’s Hugh. If he continues on and on as Wolverine it feels eerily similar to Sony’s Spider-man less Spider Universe. In that the longer it continues the longer we’ll have to wait to see those characters done properly in the MCU.

Hugh was great when we had nothing, but he’s old news. He can’t keep playing the character for 20+ more years.

Hulk vs Wolverine sounds like a great place to introduce the new Wolverine. After all that’s where he was introduced.

We need to move away from the Fox verse, and lean into a newer fresher more accurate take done properly in the MCU.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 11/25/2024, 10:34 AM
@Jackraow21 - That could have been a nice Special Presentation. Just a short story focused solely on that fight.
Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 11/25/2024, 11:40 AM
@MuadDib - Well, I think general audiences may feel differently. At least if the $1.34B that Deadpool & Wolverine did at the box office is any indication. But do understand your feeling that way. Should Feige and Marvel Studios choose to keep Hugh around for this, however, I'm thinking it'll work out fine for them even if you opt to pass on it. Guess we'll see.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 11/25/2024, 1:29 PM
@Jackraow21 - I totally get where you’re coming from, and personally I’m a huge Wolverine (the character) fan, but huge BO numbers don’t mean the movie was good. Just that a lot of ppl paid a lot of money to watch it.

I feel like the initial MCU movies all told a cohesive story that played out from different vantage points, and the latest batch of movies is all over the place, without any real sense of direction.

A movie can make a billion + and not contribute anything to the overarching narrative. Ryan as DO is a perfect casting, but if his movies are all jokes with no real ramifications for the wider MCU, he does nothing to move the needle forward.

That said, money makes the world go around, so I’m sure dollar signs will make more and more cash grab movies, just like Sonys terrible movies.

Just bc something makes money, doesn’t mean they should make more of it.

Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 11/25/2024, 2:37 PM
@MuadDib - True, but it was also very well received / got good reviews and cinema scores, so I think the comparison to Sony’s CBMs is a bit of a stretch here honestly. So, that being said, how else should studios make these types creative decisions if not using box office gross and/or moviegoer reactions to guide them? Should they just listen to the vocal minority online who wants a younger, shorter Wolverine then? Not sure that’s the right approach.
Corruptor
Corruptor - 11/25/2024, 6:25 PM
@MuadDib - Sounds like a great place to introduce a new Banner too, we don't need another 20 years of Smuffalo either.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 11/25/2024, 10:47 PM
@Corruptor - completely agree. Ruffalo has been great, but characters like Hulk, IM and CA shouldn’t be phased out when actors get tired of playing their roles or age out, they should be recasted. Those are characters that can continue on forever. It a comic book universe! they could cross paths with anyone, they have decades and decades of stories to tell.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 11/25/2024, 10:08 AM
Idc, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I for one was looking forward to the whole Kang storyline and was a fan of Majors portrayal of the character.

At the very least I hope for a recasted variant to pop up in Secret Wars, give us some inkling of closure
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/25/2024, 10:20 AM
Everything we saw of Majors as whatever variant of Kang was bad, he was terrible in Loki Season 2.
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