Editorial: Phil Coulson, A Distant Memory

Editorial: Phil Coulson, A Distant Memory

A personal opinion on why Coulson will not be returning to the MCU as the popularly theorized "Vision."

Editorial Opinion
By BattlinMurdock - May 19, 2012 07:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers



Agent Phil Coulson, with his amazing power to bypass any and all emotion in the midst of the greatest danger, was a character Marvel created from nothing for their cinematic universe. For the three of you that have yet to see The Avengers, he also is the member of the SHIELD team that Whedon decides to impale.

However, there's been lots of speculation that because he is contracted to do more films (I believe a total of six, but that may not be correct), many believe that he will return as the legendary hero "Vision," as created by Dr. Pym in the comic mythology.

And might I say, "Holy #*$& that's awesome."

But I don't believe it true for the following reasons:

Agent Coulson dies in front of Director Fury while they're, as far as we know, the only ones in the room (it can be argued that the medical team is already there, but they seem to only do their job once Fury and Coulson complete their conversation). And Fury is torn up about it. His expression, even after Coulson's death, is one of genuine hurt and anger. If Coulson is a Life Model Decoy, why the sob scene? I understand that Fury is manipulative, but he also does sniff at what's easily fixable. If Coulson was a Life Model Decoy or even an Android, that's an easily fixable situation. He still could have used that death to bring the team together, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to imagine that he still could have done that nonetheless. Besides, Coulson was dating a cellist. Not necessarily an Android thing to do (unless of course, that's why she moved back to Portland).

Is Phil really the top choice to turn into Vision? Obviously, Coulson is a major player in the universe, but he's primarily Fury's scout. His only other bit of action from Avengers is his one-shot video "A Funny Thing Happened..." Remember all the agents that were killed because Loki was adopted? It can be assumed a plethora of those men and women were also field agents suitable for this "Vision" transplant. Yes, Coulson has a higher ranking, but in a way, it would be like Captain America all over again. And after the Hulk fiasco of attempting to recreate super soldier serum, is SHIELD really willing to risk it?

...I take that back. SHIELD probably would.

Joss Whedon isn't known for bringing characters back unless everything is in already in...excuse the pun...his vision. He brings Cyclops back from the dead in his Astonishing X-Men run for a quick and minute plot development, but he sacrifices Kitty Pride for the greater good. Wash from Firefly wasn't able to catch and enormous wooden stake. The only thing I can think of that's somewhat similar to this work is that Whedon has stated he wants to bring Penny back in DHSAB as a robot. But also remember, Whedon doesn't know if he'll direct an Avengers trilogy. He's currently torn. Setting up a character like this for his vision means he's already committed; which currently he has not. I doubt he would be able to convince Marvel to add Coulson on and add another team member to the roster that's going to take up a large chunk of time and back story. He was already given a hell of a lot of creative freedom, but setting up that character for that and then abandoning the project is careless. Whedon's a man who knows character development after working in TVLand for so long. He doesn't play that way.

And then, there are the few obvious ones:

Coulson now exists in the comics world, and is not Vision.
Pym has yet to be introduced in the MCU.
Thanos, not Ultron, seems to be the villain of the trilogy, pulling the strings.
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soundwave129
soundwave129 - 5/19/2012, 7:59 AM
Nice article, but Vision was created by Ultron, and Joss Whedon brought Colossus back from the dead.
Turtlestrong
Turtlestrong - 5/19/2012, 7:59 AM
The character Agent Coulson had a good run. If he shows back up as Vision cool, if not, it's okay. Though I personally think we may see his spirit running around in Val Halla (or however you spell it) in Thor 2. He certainly died a warriors death!
AutobotCommander84
AutobotCommander84 - 5/19/2012, 8:05 AM
The point of Nick Fury sobbing could be to trick the audience.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/19/2012, 8:48 AM
Whedon res'd Colossus in Astonishing X-Men, not Cyke. I'm sure you know that and just got your shit scrambled ;P

I agree with your assessment, but not the conclusion you draw from it. I feel like Marvel all but confirmed it. Even Clark has indicated that death isn't necessarily the end. I am starting to get the vibe that people think that Vision is a new body for an old soul. Not the case, the character in the comics whose brainwave algorithms were used to give Vision thought, Simon Williams aka Wonder Man, had died and they kept his body in suspended animation. SHIELD could have EASILY done this with Coulson. Now if you know the character of Wonder Man, you know he is fickle, selfish, and sometimes treacherous... why would you base thought matrix of a powerful android on someone who has betrayed you on several occasions, and who you even met as a baddie? Coulson is the logical and better choice. He's honorable, decisive, and unshakeable. This is a deviation from the source that is actually better than the source, and it's already setup! Awesome.
95
95 - 5/19/2012, 9:15 AM
You can never really know what Marvel's got up their sleeves. SHIELD puts everything to good use, including the body of fallen agents. He could be brought back as a cyborg. Not Vision. Henry Pym, I bet, will be a big player in Phase 2 (which I hypothesize to be about cyborgs).

At the end of The Avengers- the World Security Council is unsure of superheroes. In the natural course of things, they will seek more controllable methods to fending off threats-- ANDROIDS.

Thanos is beyond The Avengers. He's a cosmic threat. Galactus-level. Guardians of the Galaxy will be the space-version of The Avengers. This way we can get two story arcs running at once: Cosmic & Earth-centered.
95
95 - 5/19/2012, 9:35 AM
@dellamorte1872

Yes! Thank you!

You know, as I think about it-- the suggestion brought up on another article doesn't make sense. Stark CANNOT replace Pym's job of creating Ultron. Stark wouldn't want anyone replacing Iron Man-- nor will he build any War Machines for the Government. So Pym IS NEEDED. He needs to create Ultron....

And Ultron needs to prove to the WSC that the world needs superheroes.

TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/19/2012, 10:50 AM
I agree with Dllamorte and 3D on where phase 2 is going as well as how GotG will progress. I do think the culmination of the Infinity Gauntlet might combine the 2. However, I don't see why we need to go through establishing Wonder Man so we can have Vision. Coulson is setup for it, Clark Greg would do it justice, why the hate? I'm on his dick because I enjoyed the character, see the logic, and accept the reasoning? Maybe I understand that they can't fit 50 years of comics in 50 movies, let alone the 10-15 we'll likely see from MCU in the next 20 years. Somethings have to change in translation. Better to just accept it when it makes sense.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 5/19/2012, 11:54 AM
To add to the conversation of Phase2 that 3D and dellamorte1872 are talking about; it would be cool to see the Masters of Evil incorporated into the story for Avengers 2.

The government needs a good reason for campaigning project Ultron other then the reasons of controllable soldiers. Enter the Masters of Evil, a team of super villains that are equal to, if not greater than, the powers of the Avengers. A threat as big as that would help influence their decision in wanting to create a powerful defense mechanism that can combat something as deadly as the Masters.
avengersftw
avengersftw - 5/19/2012, 12:49 PM
BRING HIM BACK!!!!!!!!!
superotherside
superotherside - 5/19/2012, 1:17 PM
Yeah, I could see it turning out this way.

Pym makes Ultrons, to be the new Avengers since the World Security Council isn't sure the real Avengers will come back when they need them. At any rate, the Avengers come back together because the Masters of Evil (Mandarin, Zemo, Enchantress, Executioner, Leader?) are trying to get the cosmic cube (or the infinity gems) to Thanos because he promises them to be his generals. The Avengers would either have the cosmic cube (and defending it them from taking it) or they would be trying to find the gems before they did because they know they'll use them for evil. The Masters of Evil fight each of them and the Avengers sort of loose/stalemate. Pym makes Ultron help the Avengers defeat the Masters of Evil finally and they take them in to custody. Ultron takes over all of Shield's computers and Iron Man's armors. Making Banner Hulk out, using one of the Iron Man suits to shoot Banner making him turn into the Hulk. Stark suits up in his Hulkbuster and fights Hulk. Hulk tears Stark's armor up, while Stark realizes somethings wrong. Thor saves Stark from Hulk and Thor and Hulk have a bigger fight than in the first movie. Finally, the Avengers relize Ultron is behind all this and Ultron starts his invasion of his army of "Ultrons" with his general Vision. Vision (which has Coulson's thought patterns Ultron find them and uses them instead of creating something completely new, he already has had training in leadership etc.) realizes Ultron is wrong and helps the Avengers defeat him, although Pym ultimately defeats Ultron making himself Giant Man. Pym successively reprograms Ultron, stopping him for now. In the end, the world has suffered a lot from this. Hulk going on a rampage because of Ultron (it also gets out that Ultron is Pym's fault). Fury is fired as director of Shield, Hill is appointed director. The World Security Council puts a bill that every super powered individual must work for the government. Civil War has is starting. It is revealed that Thanos is behind Ultron's reprogramming. He realizes the only way to get what he wants is to split the heroes from working together to stop him.

Solo films would show the Superhuman Registration Act coming into law and the sides being chosen.

Civil War would be Avengers 3 and probably over several other films Perhaps even starting in Captain America 3, Iron Man 4, Inhumans, Guardians (if they could even be involved?), and finishing in Avengers 3. How to get everyone over so many films? Easy. It's one film. Civil War. Several different parts. Much like films based on books have been split up into two parts etc.


I think this would work. What do you guys think?
95
95 - 5/19/2012, 1:34 PM
@superotherside

I like it- don't think it'll happen, though. The Tesseract and Infinity Gauntlet are in Asgard. Loki is imprisoned in Asgard. Loki betrayed Thanos, wasting a good army. Thanos' fight is with the Asgardians now.
KAPZ
KAPZ - 5/19/2012, 2:06 PM
i notice how many of you wish for avengers 2 to be more earth based... making the thanos cameo and many stements by fiege inconclusive ... they want to take the cosmic route... god knows why ... id love a more earth based movie that would show more why the real world needs super heroes rather than goin straight out to the universe face first... we all agree that a thanos movie should be left for later but that doesnt seem to be the case however phase two needs to continue and they need hank pym for that basically for the same reason they already had ... they keep finding out that they need bigger weapons and if the tesseract isnt the alternative ultrons the next best thing (quite beter too i love ultron...) then theres the coulson ordeal...not sure how he fits in there but id love him to as well...
95
95 - 5/19/2012, 2:13 PM
@KAPZ

Joss Whedon would make the sequel "smaller, more personal". Feige wants to explore the Cosmic Side (aka Guardians of the Galaxy). Why can't they get two story arcs running at once? Cosmic-scoped and Earth-based. Thanos' quest for the Infinity Gauntlet, Tesseract, and Death can run parallel and often crossover with the problems on Earth.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/19/2012, 8:28 PM
@soundwave129
Whedon also killed off Book and Wash.

Gerrit
Gerrit - 5/20/2012, 5:09 PM
I saw The Avengers again, the team of medics that people said didn't show up in Coulson's death scene did appear. He's definitely dead and should not return.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/21/2012, 1:23 PM
Gerrit, Aaaand who else would move his body but a medical team? lol Your statement makes no sense. My sister broke her leg on the trampoline and went away with an ambulance... she must be dead because that's what that means when medical professionals arrive on the scene. Remember that Vision in the comics was based off a "Dead" Avenger...
sikwon
sikwon - 5/22/2012, 6:16 PM
cyclops got killed so that he could infiltrate ords base as part of an offensive. yes he was dead. as far as the plot of the avengers and the direction the rest of the mcu movies should take... alot of people have complained that the plot was to simple but if any of you are like me literally EVERYONE that i know has asked me to help explain what was going on. for the majority of us its a simple plot, for non fans, more then a few of them were lost. i go on a philadelphia eagles fan sight (my other love) that runs much like the comment section here except we chat directely with each other so in a given thread or during a given conversation its not uncommon for 30 guys top be taking to each other. many of them had seen iron man or iron man and captain america. after word spread that the avengers was awesome most of them went to watch it then red boxed the rest of the mcu movies. this has been the case with almost every one that i know and its been the same, people were still a little bit confused, there were still small gaps and questions like "how/why was the tesseract on earth in the first place". there was so much information in the avengers that people had a hard time figuring out what was really important. marvel needs to be careful not to put to much into the avengers. we can sit here and searh through every minute detail in these movies and know whats going on because most of us have an embarassing amount of comic information. the general public would just get lost. personaly i have a very small desire to see civil war brought to film, mostly because if it didnt involve alot of characters i would be dissapointed. i mean really it would boil down to nothing more then stark vs steve right now. thor could just go home, hulk is the hulk (who is really going to tell him what to do?) widow and hawkeye are already shield agents. that leaves cap vs iron man (with the current avengers roster.) i think alot more needs to happen before civil war would even be interesting as a movie.
Bumble
Bumble - 5/23/2012, 12:22 PM
i love how everyone has gotten so caught up in this "vision" rumor and have run with to the point that they are forgeting what and who we saw at the end of the avengers...THANOS! why go off on a tangent about ultron and cyborgs? marvel has already given us an idea of the direction with which they are going. they've talked about it time and again. they are wanting to go a more "cosmic" route. i highly doubt ultron is even on the radar right now. i actually think it is more likely that we'll see a hint of captian mar-vel and the kree (possibly in thor 2) and some hints regarding the guardians of the galaxy, maybe ms. marvel. maybe pym will make an appearance but i only see that happening in one of two movies: im 3 as a rival scientist or colleague of stark or in cap 2 as a resource of shield. as for coulson, i'm a fan of clark gregg and all the work he did. we should see him one more time (probably in flashbacks) based on his deal but other than that i think coulson and his death takes it's rightful place of respect and importance in the mcu.
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