EDITORIAL: Why CIVIL WAR Is More Film-able Then You Think

EDITORIAL: Why CIVIL WAR Is More Film-able Then You Think

Hey everyone! Hulksta here with my argument for Marvel to adapt Civil War finally in the upcoming Captain America 3!

Editorial Opinion
By Hulksta - Jul 12, 2014 11:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

With San Diego Comic Con only weeks away, it looks like we may finally see what Marvel has planned for our hero, Steve Rodgers! No matter where you look around the web, everyone has an idea of who or what the next Cap movie will tackle, some is simple fanboy gushing, others are a bit more realistic.

Realistically speaking, whatever story or characters Marvel and the Russo Bros. want to introduce, it'll have to contend with the upcoming Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. So how do you combat a large DC film? By creating an even larger Marvel film, with Captain America at the helm.

What story has the ability to make Captain America 3 a hit on that weekend?


Yup! So before you write me off as a crazy lunatic, you should read the rest of the article as I lay out my argument.

(I) IT CONTINUES PRE-EXISTING THEMES

At the end of both The Avengers and The Winter Soldier, we found ourselves with two major themes relating to both Cap and the infamous Civil War stroyline. In The Avengers we see a clash in ideologies between Cap and Tony, as it's made apparent that the two have a distaste for eachother. While their conflict never escalates to anything overly dramatic, we're never left with any resolution to that conflict either. For all we know, these two may still have resentment for eachother.



Also, throughout The Winter Soldier, Cap is shown a world where freedom has disapeeared, and no one is truly free under S.H.I.E.L.D. Hydra's program. If you look at Project Insight and The Registration Proram, they carry similar ideas of Steve having to reconcile his Government's actions with his own patriotism.



Whatever your views are on the scope of Civil War and how it would work without Fox's characters and Spider-Man, there's no doubt in my mind that for Civil War, it is a story of Cap fighting for freedom. Something he did in both The Winter Soldier, The First Avenger, and The Avengers (to a degree).

(II) IT'S EPIC AND BRUTAL

Upon the basic premise of Civil War lies an age old debate on freedom and liberty, and like any classic conflict, it will come with casualties on both sides.



While the MCU films have been lighthearted to this point, less we forget that we've seen some pretty dark stuff to this point. Everything from Banner's suggestion of suicide to the apparent death of Nick Fury. It would seem that Marvel isn't too worried about pulling the tradgedy lever when they need to.

The obvious ramification is of course the death of Steve Rodgers, the creation of Thor 'Ragnarok' Odinson, and many more are low-lights that these characters reach. While this brutality may be a bit much for the thus far light hearted MCU, it's also a great way to explore these characters far more then we would with a light hearted affair.

(III) S.H.I.E.L.D. IS ABOUT TO CHANGE

S.H.I.E.L.D. has already gone through changes in the last year as illustrated on both the large and small screen, and with undoubtebly more changes to come, we don't know where the institution will be by the time of Captain America 3.

Could S.H.I.E.L.D. go from the group we saw in the events of The Avengers to what we see in Civil War? I don't doubt it. The Winter Soldier already established a strong(er) distrust with the organization and that could change going forward as we see S.H.I.E.L.D. become an even darker organization. You may not see it now but we still have Age of Ultron coming up and only time will tell how drastically S.H.I.E.L.D. could change in the next couple of years. 

(IV) IT CHANGES TONY...FOR THE WORSE

While Robert Downey Jr. has brought a lot of charm, charisma, and humor to the role of Tony Stark, I think we see that he has a tendency to piss some people off as much as he does charm others. It's this trait that gets him the role of Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.

During this time he commits some really horrible atrocities, he even lets Happy die when he realizes that him and Pepper are back together. No doubt this would have to be changed for the movies, but it shows the effect the position has on Tony, and like they say, "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely". It's an age old story that ressonates to this day.

(V) IT CHANGES...WELL...EVERYTHING!

No doubt incorporating Civil War into the MCU would shift things immensely. We're talking an evil clone of Thor, a dead Steve, and so much more. There would have to be considerable alterations to the story, but even the idea of an ideological war between Cap and Iron Man would make for an interesting story worth telling.

CONCLUSION

There's a considerable amount of reasons why Marvel shouldn't adapt Civil War...

"It's a huge story to tell..."
"Marvel is just not ready to tell that story"
"Marvel should wait on the rights to these characters"
"It's too dark"
"Where does things go from there?"

Undoubtebly, Marvel could never do a straight adaption of Civil War. This wouldn't be Watchmen levels of devotion to the adaption, but rather it should be an adaption of an idea, and a continuation of the themes we've seen already in the MCU. The seeds have been planted as far back as you want to look, but I would think Marvel knows the value of this story and the potential it has to tell an engaging narrative.

Narratively speaking, it seems to me that the connecting threads are too apparent. Is it a red herring? Possibly. Is it a coincidence that The Winter Solider comic arc lead into Civil War when we've now seen a Winter Soldier adaption? Marvel plays the long game, and my guess is that we wouldn't be seeing all of this unless they were dedicated to bringing this epic to the big screen.

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NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 7/12/2014, 11:30 AM
*Than You Think

I have no doubt Civil War is filmable, it's more how they handle the movie that matters to me. If they do it right, it could be awesome but I doubt a single film would be enough.
SusanFuentes
SusanFuentes - 7/12/2014, 11:34 AM
The actual Civil War comic dragged on forever, had dozens of useless tie ins, everyone was written completely out of character, and the final fight between Cap and Tony was so anticlimactic that I was glad I didn't pay a single penny for it.

That said, Marvel Studios have a history of taking stuff from their comics and making them better when they adapt them to films so I'm sure their Civil War adaptation would actually be good instead of turning every character into an asshole for absolutely no reason.
DEVLIN712
DEVLIN712 - 7/12/2014, 11:37 AM
As much as I'd love to see the Civil War in a film, my favorite part of the story was Spider-Man's arc, which right now, isn't available.
Still, I agree Hulksta, thumbs up from me.
Hulksta
Hulksta - 7/12/2014, 11:39 AM
Yeah @SusanFuentes it definitely needs to be adjusted to be more 'digestible' and by that I mean focusing on Cap. Even though it's a crossover comic, it's also a Cap story, and focusing on him and his dynamic with all the other heroes could easily make for an interesting 2.5 hour film.
superotherside
superotherside - 7/12/2014, 11:55 AM
I doubt it would be a straight adaption. But it would be cool to have the MCU put their spin on it.

Although I'd like it to be a little later on. Lets deal with stuff like Planet Hulk and World of War Hulk or something.
Abary
Abary - 7/12/2014, 11:57 AM
I agree completely. Anyone that things this would be a direct adaptation needs to rethink a LOT. They can easily adjust a few things and they'll be set.
McNyagano
McNyagano - 7/12/2014, 12:01 PM
I dunno man...
breakneckbeck
breakneckbeck - 7/12/2014, 12:02 PM
Nice write up. Ive always liked the idea of the Civil War being on film. I know the books have their faults, but one of the great things about adapting an arc like this means you can learn from its faults. All of the characters can be imperfect without coming off like the a*holes they did in the comic.

If nothing else, the civil war was a brilliant concept with enormous potential. Which is why its still one of the most talked about books of the last decade.

This is actually one book where I would recommend a lack of faithfulness to the source. Take the concept, run with it in a new direction.

It's too bad we cant throw spiderman in the middle though.
breakneckbeck
breakneckbeck - 7/12/2014, 12:04 PM
Also just to be clear, its Steve ROGERS not RODGERS
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 7/12/2014, 1:17 PM
-Thematically, CATWS has already covered much of the ground that Civil War would.
-A Captain America movie should be about a Captain America. A Civil War movie would be an orgy of characters.
-There is no more SHIELD. SHIELD is gone. SHIELD is going to be rebuilt by Coulson and his crew, but all indications is that it is going to be a slow process, and I doubt that when they're done, they'll be worse than HYDRA.
-RDJ is just straight not going to be a villain. Least of all one in someone else' movie.
GreenLantern519
GreenLantern519 - 7/12/2014, 1:26 PM
They'd need to change the premise of Civil War a lot, mainly because there are NO Secret Identities in the MCU as of yet. Maybe they could have it be about Tony trying to start up SHIELD again and Cap being against it for Liberty and such. That seems out of character for this Tony though.
DrPeterParker
DrPeterParker - 7/12/2014, 4:16 PM
Marvel Studios wouldn't adapt the source material into simply steve vs tony and call it civil war. If they're gonna do civil war, they're gonna do it right. They know what they're doing. They know if they were to size down one of the greatest major events in their history, fans would be utterly disappointed.

They're gonna wait until they get spidey and fox's characters, or until the MCU has expanded much more.
blackandyellow
blackandyellow - 7/12/2014, 5:06 PM
Nah.
GeekyCheekyChic
GeekyCheekyChic - 7/12/2014, 5:22 PM
I think the basic premise can be adapted but its currently a thin roster.
I could see Captain and Falcon along with Widow and Hawkeye on one side while Iron Man Vision Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch on the other side ...War Machine also. Thor would be in Asgard and Hulk with the Guardians.
while possible though it wouldn't fit the current tone of the MCU. They seem to be gearing up for the eventual showdown with Thanos. To suddenly have a blood fued just one year after Age of Ultron ? Especially if they are setting up Avengers Academy.
NICKHART
NICKHART - 7/12/2014, 5:38 PM
this could work.. i think it all depends on how age of ultron ends though.. if the rumors about hulk being sent off into space are correct than that could potentially be a starting point for the tony vs steve conflict.. but tony's character arc has been him becoming a better person over time.. to suddenly have him become a bad guy would be like erasing the progress he had made in the avengers and iron man 3..
Mike1100
Mike1100 - 7/12/2014, 5:43 PM
I know people may not agree with me but I think that if Marvel gets F4 back then they could do a half-way decent Civil War movie. If I understood it correctly X-Men didn't play a significant role in Civil War and Spider-Man even though I would love to see him in it his role in the comic book was retconed so him revealing his identity was all for not. I'm sure Marvel being as consistent as they can for the MCU will stick with their guns if they decided to reveal Spider-Man's identity but he is not really that necessary.
staypuffed
staypuffed - 7/12/2014, 5:43 PM
Nice work! Civil War would be pretty cool to see.
Mastyrwerk
Mastyrwerk - 7/12/2014, 5:47 PM
Superhero96 has some great points. Civil War is a massive undertaking; something that would require an entire phase of movies to accomplish well.

I'm talking about a Netflix series or miniseries about the New Warriors in the style of reality TV.

A season of Agents of SHIELD dealing with the Index expanding into the Registration.

A Cap movie focusing on the start of the war.

A series devoted to the Avengers Initiative.

A New Avengers movie focused on the Rebellion.

Then the Civil War movie that ends with Cap surrendering and his assassination.

You could really milk this thing. And of course, do you follow with the Secret Invasion? That was the big twist, right? That is a whole movie onto itself.

I don't see this happening anytime soon, same as I don't see Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet happening anytime soon. These are major story arcs that are best handled with a massive roster of characters. I can see Civil War for Phase 4 and Infinity Gauntlet for Phase 5, but then I think that's still premature.

Mastyrwerk
Mastyrwerk - 7/12/2014, 6:15 PM
More filmable THAN you think.

Grammar nazi to the rescue!
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 7/12/2014, 6:17 PM
That picture of Steve & Tony is freakin sweet. Oh and I choose Iron man. Make them suckas register.
beane2099
beane2099 - 7/12/2014, 6:21 PM
It's a great story but I don't think it would fit what's going on with their movies right now.

There are hardly any characters to speak of. In terms of characters with powers there's Thor, Hulk and Cap. You could count Iron Man and War Machine, but really they're dudes that wear armor. Hawkeye, Widow, and Falcon are soldiers. Now we are getting Scarlett Witch, Quicksilver and Vision soon but is that really enough to make the Civil War story plausible? Even if you throw in the Netflix characters and Dr. Strange that would be a little less than 20 characters (not counting Guardians, seeing as how they're in space) only a handful of which have dangerous powers.

Now if the rumor is true that A2 ends with Cap and Iron Man forming their own teams then there might be a semi-foundation for this story. Also, I'm not counting super powered villains such as Bucky, Abomination, Deathlok and other AoS characters. So it's possible. However, I wouldn't expect anything approaching Civil War until phase 4-5, unless they incorporate it as a minor piece of the Infinity story where somehow Thanos turns them against each other with an Infinity McMuffin (that's right McMuffin).
DrPeterParker
DrPeterParker - 7/12/2014, 6:21 PM
@superhero96

"Also the heroes would have to be fighting over something else because right now the only secret identities will be the heroes that will be on Netflix."

WOW. I never thought of that. None of the current characters ACTUALLY have secret identities in the MCU. Hmm. One of the comic reveals was tony admitting he was indeed iron man, but we took care of that real quick in Iron Man 1. "The truth is....I am Iron Man" -media explosion-

The only person with a secret identity in any of the movies right now is spidey. Of course.
nikgrid
nikgrid - 7/12/2014, 7:01 PM
Wouldn't work like it did in the comics... because Tony Stark in the films is not a f.ucking no personality dickbag like Iron man WAS in the comics.
TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 7/12/2014, 7:22 PM
@TheIncredibleHulksta - I'm in love with your avatar, dude.

I don't think it's so far-fetched that they'd adapt Civil War. In fact, I think it would be a smart move, considering we all know what happens at the end. Chris Evans as Cap dying would make for some fantastic film-critic acclaim, seeing as everyone loves him and Winter Soldier was such a hit.

My on grievance with it is that there could be no Spider-Man, and that makes me a sad panda. Oh well.
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