Three of Five Reasons The Avengers Movie Won't Work

Three of Five Reasons The Avengers Movie Won't Work

Yahoo Movies UK is offering up five reasons why the in development Avengers Movie might not work, and we're offering up three of those five reasons.

By EdGross - Nov 16, 2010 02:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers
Source: Yahoo UK

1. The best Avengers movie can’t be made

In 2002 'Kick-Ass' creator Mark Millar was asked to rejig 'The Avengers' for the new Ultimate comic book line (a popular series of titles that rebooted Marvel's most famous superheroes). Calling it 'The Ultimates', Millar's version of the superhero group was gritty, violent and wholly entertaining. It was an action-packed story featuring a truly kick ass Captain America, a brilliantly cocky Tony Stark and a black Nick Fury, who looked very much like Samuel L Jackson (Jackson was cast in 'Iron Man' purely because of this series). Until 'The Ultimates', Fury had always been a grizzled white man.

Backed by Bryan Hitch's cinematic drawings, you had the perfect film storyboard for an 'Avengers' movie.

The problem? It would have cost hundreds of millions of pounds. Unless Marvel and Disney have bottomless pockets, don't expect Hulk smashing up streets and aliens invading the world quite like Hitch and Millar depicted.

And that brings us to our next concern.

2. Are studio bosses cutting corners?

It was reported last week by Bleeding Cool that pre-production work on the movie had been put back a few weeks due to negotiations over the film's budget.

The actors' salaries notwithstanding, considering the necessary special effects and big actions sequences, a film this size needs to have money thrown at it. Otherwise, what's the point? No one wants to see a scene featuring Captain America and Iron Man talking about their problems over coffee – even if it's written by Whedon.

The website claims that Marvel Studios want the film to cost roughly the same as the first 'Spider-Man' movie, which was about 100 million pounds. It's still a huge amount of money, but enough for this kind of picture? Marvel, of course, has history with penny pinching.

One of the appeals of casting Robert Downey Jr. in 'Iron Man' was that his salary was relatively cheap for such a fine actor, and they reportedly axed Terrence Howard from the second movie because he was too expensive. There were similar rumours concerning 'Iron Man' director Jon Favreau's lack of involvement for 'The Avengers' movie.

3. Too many egos spoil the broth

Actors have egos. There, we said it.

Now, the set could turn out to be one of the most peaceful and loving places in film history, full of back slapping and graciousness in allowing other actors to grab their screen glory. Of course, it could also be one where high-profile actors like Downey Jr, Samuel L Jackson, Mark Ruffalo and Scarlett Johansson battle it out with their rising star counterparts Jeremy Renner, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth for every single second of screen time.

Downey Jr joked with MTV recently, “I just read the script and it's going to be fantastic. Once I tear his script to smithereens and fix it, we're going to have a great movie.”

Or at least we think it was a joke.

For the other two possible reasons and the full article, follow the link.

So, what do you think of these observations? Sound off below.

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TheBumblingIdiot
TheBumblingIdiot - 11/16/2010, 2:59 AM
what dose the uk know about cbm do they even have comic book movies over there
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/16/2010, 3:04 AM
That's their reasons? A bullshit Bleeding Cool rumor, speculation on which story it SHOULD follow to be the best it can be and "actors have egos"? I'll pass on clicking for their last two thanks! Probably:

"Reason 4: RDJ had a very public drug habit. What if that returned to sabotage the production!!!"
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 11/16/2010, 3:07 AM
Indeed. This movie must cost 300 million like Avatar. They try to make a cheap successful movie. Big mistake. First comes the quality and then money.
Pokeysteve
Pokeysteve - 11/16/2010, 3:08 AM
I've though about the salary thing. They don't need these big names to make these movies let alone multiple names. I didn't go see Iron Man because Downey Jr. was in it. The characters are the stars. I hope future movies they take that into consideration. Instead of giving this guy here 15 mil get this guy over there who will do it for five. 10 Million is not too shabby to put towards the special effects.

@ror
Yeah don't waste your time with the other two.

Hey Ed why didn't you post the other two anyways?
the99comic
the99comic - 11/16/2010, 3:09 AM
giant man ant man wasp should play in avenger 2012, ant man should cinema 2011
Denn1s
Denn1s - 11/16/2010, 3:10 AM
i think the reasons are right but i have faith in it. we are talking about the biggest cbm ever. lots of money in the box office so why don't just increase the budget? it is a sure winner. but i think 100 millions are very little for a movie of that scale. iron man 2 had a 200 million budget with very little action scenes...
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 11/16/2010, 3:12 AM
DON'T TEAR IT DOWN, ITS THE DREAM MOVIE, WHEDON KNOWS COMICS..I'LL WAIT TILL I SEE FOOTAGE OR CONCEPT ART.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/16/2010, 3:20 AM
marvel & disney give the avengers $250 million budget your on to a winner.

if they don't.

don't expect to see a justice league movie if the avengers fails through lack of budget.

marvel studios is the future of the comic book genre.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 11/16/2010, 3:30 AM
i prefer avengers to jla. both cool teams but i like avengers more...
MrMadrox
MrMadrox - 11/16/2010, 3:31 AM
I agree with Ror, bullshit rumors from Bleeding Cool are nothing to go on. Besides, based on what we've seen so far, I have the utmost faith in everyone involved.
Fenlion
Fenlion - 11/16/2010, 3:32 AM
Here's the other two reasons, guys. They're as whiny and pointless as the first three:

"4. Is Joss Whedon the right man?
Don't get us wrong – Whedon's writing talent is without question. His work on TV shows like 'Buffy', 'Angel' and 'Firefly' is full of wit and brilliant character developments. His big screen work is also impressive, with his screenwriting credits including the first 'X-Men' movie and 'Toy Story'.

He also, of course, directed the big-screen version of 'Firefly' and several of his TV shows, including the brilliant 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' episode 'Hush'.

However, devising set pieces involving Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and The Hulk would probably give Michael Bay nightmares, never mind someone new to directing a big summer blockbuster.

In fairness, Marvel Studios does take risks with its directors, and in 'Iron Man's case, got it spot on in hiring the relatively inexperienced at this kind of thing Jon Favreau. Fingers crossed Whedon can be just as successful.

5. Are we just going to get a headache?
So if we do get the big-budget and action-packed 'Avengers' movie that we all desperately want, there shouldn't be any complaints.
It may be just a case of getting old, but while watching the second 'Iron Man' film, feelings of excitement were replaced by an urgent need for some aspirin.

CGI-fuelled scenes added with hectic shaking cameras seem to be a prerequisite for summer films now. One superhero in a film can just about be handled. Perhaps that scene featuring Captain America and Iron Man talking over coffee might be a refreshing break for some viewers after all."

BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/16/2010, 3:40 AM
There's probably a 100 reasons this movie won't work.
EdGross
EdGross - 11/16/2010, 3:40 AM
I didn't include the last two reasons in the original post because it would have been a wholesale lifting of their article, hence a portion was here with a link to the rest.

And for the record, I'm not saying I agree with them at all. Just wanted to present a different point of view.
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 11/16/2010, 3:45 AM
There's some truth to actors have ego, though I think Downey is the only one who might be an actual concern, he's got two movies already, by the time Avengers starts shooting, everybody else will have only one, except for Ruffalo who doesn't have any leverage.

About the rest, I disagree on all points.
Yes, it is completely sensible for Marvel to get this made without just lobbing money at the production team. Yes, I WOULD watch a scene of Stark and Rogers talking over coffee. No, Ultimates is not the best thing since sliced bread.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/16/2010, 4:00 AM
BLEEDING COOL is BS.....

Hell if HOLLYWOOD can make WATCHMEN they can make anything... AVENGERS is a walk in the park, plus its owned by MARVEL and made by MARVEL!!!

(Minus one thing, can't wait)
Bigbywolf
Bigbywolf - 11/16/2010, 4:06 AM
I'm going to reserve judgement until later. It's hard to say what the problems will be, without speculating, when the film isn't even in production. In terms of how much Marvel is going to put into it, well I guess they will want to wait and see how much money Thor and Captain America make. Pirates of the Caribbean from what I've read is going to made for about 200 million. So I can't see Disney making the Avengers movie for less than that.
Orphix
Orphix - 11/16/2010, 4:08 AM
All the points in the article are raised simply as questions to get people to debate about the project...which it has us doing.

I wouldn't worry about it too much - tho it does raise some interesting points that we have already discussed before.

The whole budget debate is pretty interesting. Marvel Studios will have a pretty good idea what they hope to earn with this movie so they will budget according to that. That is the only figure they will work to.

And I thought the whole idea of hiring Evans, Hemsworth, Ruffalo and RDJ was because of avoiding big salaries.
CapsUnknownSidekick
CapsUnknownSidekick - 11/16/2010, 4:11 AM
I really get a kick out of the fact they praise The Ultimates as the best Avengers story and then in their next point talk about how they don't want a scene w/ Cap and Iron Man hashing out problems over coffee... Maybe they should go back and read the last half of Ultimates #6.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 11/16/2010, 4:15 AM
@ thedarkknight666 - Yes, we do have cbm's over here. A lot of them are filmed over here, and the director of the most successful cbm of all time, The Dark Knight, is an englishman. Don't ask dense questions.

In relation to the main article, the only thing I have concerns about is the budget. As people have noted, this film will need a budget of about 200 million minimum. If it gets any less, it won't be very good with little to no character development due to lack of screen time, and some cheap looking action sequences scattered sparsely throughout the film. When you take into account actor's salaries, maybe 200 million is nowhere near enough. Maybe Marvel have been over-ambitious and their grand plan is showing signs of cracking. No wonder WB have no plans for a JLA film, they probably saw this coming a mile off.
IF the rumours are true...

murf
murf - 11/16/2010, 4:16 AM
@thedarkkinght666 the uk knows a hell of a lot about comicbookmovies , batman begins filmed in the uk as is captain america , kick ass , x men first class, the best comic book movie of all time the Dark Knight directed and co written by a bloke from the uk , Thor directed by a bloke from the uk , x men first class directed by a bloke from the uk , the ultimates which the avengers will lift directly from written by a bloke from the uk and drawn by a bloke from the uk , so the question isnt what does the uk know about comicbookmovies its what do you know?
Jimdlux
Jimdlux - 11/16/2010, 4:22 AM
The reason Terrence Howard was axed from the second movie was not because he was too expensive. He was accidentally paid as the star of the movie in the first film. due to a screw up in the contract, the first to be cast was suppose to be the star of the (Downey), but Howard signed on 1st getting the top salary. They had to rewrite a sub-clause in the contract allowing Downey to get the same salary. When the contract was rewritten for the 2nd film paying Howard as a "supporting" actor bailed out cause he wanted the same amount as the lead again. So it wasn't penny pinching, it was greed.
question83
question83 - 11/16/2010, 4:24 AM
Actually there are some valid points in this article. To make a good cbm movie you need two things, good character depiction and great action sequences. I think characters portrayal will be spot on, cause it's Whedon, but penny pinching could really hurt the movie when it comes to action departament. Second, i don't know RDJ, but from all the interviews and aperances on tv shows i've seen he comes off a litlle cocky. And seeing that he has two hit movies under his belt, and he is a star right now, he can easily dominate the movie and make it, Iron Man and the Avengers. I'm a big fan of Whedon, and he is a great screen writer and director, but when comes to directing a big Holywood blockbuster you need more than just talent, you need the ability to put theese egomaniacs called actors in line. And Whedon always works with the same pepole, and none of them are big stars, so he doesn't have the experience needed.

Of course i hope Whedon and Co will overcome this difficulties and make the best comic book movie we have ever seen.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 11/16/2010, 4:28 AM
@ murf - Way to go dude, let him have it!
EarlGrey
EarlGrey - 11/16/2010, 4:30 AM
I'm very skeptical of the Bleeding Cool rumor and surprised by how many media outlets and fans have taken the rumor as gospel.

Remember that Marvel is now under the watchful eye of Disney and with that also have access to their $$$$.

There's absolutely no good reason to short change the Avenger's movie budget as Disney stands to make 10X their investment on the back of merchandising and branding rights alone.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 11/16/2010, 4:35 AM
But are Disney willing to make that gamble?
80sFace
80sFace - 11/16/2010, 4:38 AM
1. In The Incredible Hulk they tore up parts of NYC. If that's part of the criteria for a good Avengers film -- which it's not -- then they should have the ability to do the same and more, especially given that it's 5 years later and the technology is getting better/cheaper to do that sort of thing.
2. They're spending $150MM on Thor and Cap each. Why would they spend less on the Avengers? F'in stupid speculation. This film will have budget.
3. Egos? Actors all have egos. But did Oceans 13 have issues? How about RED? Dozens of films with big casts don't have problems. Conversely, you can have a film with 2 stars that don't get along, so, in this instance at least, size really doesn't matter. This is a BS reason. A National Enquirer type speculation where people WANT to create controversy just because they're bored douche bags.

IMO. ;)
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 11/16/2010, 4:48 AM
There are hundreds of reasons every movie ever made wouldn't work! That's why they take so long, cost so much and sometimes still fail. Every single movie is a financial gamble for the benefactors and a road of pitfalls for everyone else involved, but as long as everyone is working toward the same goal then more often than not the movie will be a success.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/16/2010, 4:50 AM
Lets see from 1 to 4, Brainless, wrong, highly unlikely & Yes he is.

For 5 in regards to both Iron Man II and The Avengers... if you cannot take the intensity of a proper CBM then don't go see it. Pretty sure there are more than enough of us who can to make Avengers the year's blockbuster film.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 11/16/2010, 4:50 AM
80sFace - Nicely said sir!
comic2004
comic2004 - 11/16/2010, 5:06 AM
Ultimates Millar's version Sorry but it suxed. i have alot of Comic book friends that i lend old comics too they like the older ones more then any of the new ones.
If they use stuff from old story lines it will be great.
shiftysharp
shiftysharp - 11/16/2010, 5:13 AM
the ego thing wont come into play, look at any of the oceans movies and the ego's and talent crammed in there,way more and way better actors than in the avengers movie.
i have plenty of faith that marvel/disney will not cut off their noses to spite their face when it comes to the biggest movie they are likely to ever release!
ManThing
ManThing - 11/16/2010, 5:27 AM
Absolute crap, every word.

The only one of those that could possibly hold any real water would be the second one. However I like to think that the studio has the brains to know what an incredible cash cow Avengers could be. If ever there was a time when it was wise to pony up the dough, it's on this movie.

If they can spend 150 million on Captain America, I am sure that they could afford at leastthat much


I also agree with comic2004, and Frank Garret.
BobHasMyPants
BobHasMyPants - 11/16/2010, 5:28 AM
Avengers will assemble and kick ass at your local theater summer 2012..... nuff' said!!!!!!!!!
smallvillefanricky
smallvillefanricky - 11/16/2010, 5:48 AM
whats that first guy ona bout
''do the UK have CBmovies'' who do you think did [frick]ing kick-ass...
m73
m73 - 11/16/2010, 5:56 AM
If something like the 2012 movie can show in fair detail the end of the world why can't they throw a few super heroes in the mix?
dahamma
dahamma - 11/16/2010, 6:07 AM
@juggernaut agree completely all this is crap, im not worried at all for this movie, its gonna be awesome
airbeyonder18
airbeyonder18 - 11/16/2010, 6:18 AM
Interesting argument. But I think they will "Ultimatelty" pull it off.
JackBauer
JackBauer - 11/16/2010, 6:19 AM
This is all BS.

Marvel hasn't put in all this time, effort and money building the MCU to cut the budget on the money shot. The Avengers budget will be 200 million plus. That is why they anounced they were going to do smaller budget movies at somewhere around 50 million. This will offset the high budget for the Avengers. Besides, If they need a little extra cash Uncle Mickey has deep pockets. Whoever spread the budget rumor(DC/WB?)are just being d**ks.

As for the supposed ego trouble. Won't be a problem. Just ask Edward Norton or Terrence Howard.
Tin
Tin - 11/16/2010, 6:32 AM
I do want to see a scene featuring Captain America and Iron Man talking about their problems over coffee, but not only that, ofc
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