Why Is Whedon Rewriting Cap and Avengers?

Why Is Whedon Rewriting Cap and Avengers?

Or, why The First Avenger: Captain America will be set in WWII and The Avengers will be the comic book origin story of the Avengers?

Editorial Opinion
By JoshSHill - Apr 17, 2010 07:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers
Source: Joshua S Hill

It was good news the day I saw on iFanboy that Joss Whedon was supposedly in talks to direct and polish the script for the Avengers movie. I was even happier when I saw the rumours that Whedon would be rewriting the Captain America script. Whedon has a history of polishing movie scripts that go on to be very impressive films.

But is there a connection?

I think there is, and I think it might give us a clue as to Marvel’s intentions for the two films, as well as future films.

Captain America is really the key here.

The Captain America movie is set to be released a year before the Avengers movie. That makes sense. Add him into the plethora of individual character movies being released before the big team up. But he’s not like the others, and I don’t mean simply that he’s the most important character to the Avengers. He’s a man out of time. His origin isn’t some acid spill or technological genius brain. He’s a super-soldier from the 40’s who wants to smack Hitler right in the face.

So how does he end up fighting with the Avengers?

Well there’s a bomb and a fall and an iceberg and some sketchy science, but let’s just say that he makes it safe and sound to the present – whenever that may be – and helps create the Avengers.

You can’t do Captain America without doing a WWII story. You simply can’t do a Cap story without his origin. Without Bucky and the super-soldier serum and Hitler bashing. It just can’t be done. Or shouldn’t.

And Marvel have been doing pretty well with their movies. No weird Uma Thurman-Poison Ivy’s happening here, thank you very much. Marvel know just what they’re doing, and that’s to please the fans.

So assuming that the Captain America movie does take place in WWII then it would also make sense that the Avengers movie will be their origin, and that can’t be done without Captain America being found in an iceberg, or something maybe a little more realistic for the 21st century. Find him in a cryogenic chamber or something like that.

We’ve got Joss Whedon given script control over two movies that, in reality, really are a pair. The original then its sequel. The First Avenger: Captain America and the Avengers. It’s even in the title: “First Avenger” anyone? It makes sense that Whedon’s control is because there needs to be a seamless transition between the two movies.

Marvel, as I’ve said, have been doing a great job of adapting their comic-book superheroes and doing it right. Stepping away from the original origins of these two – Cap and the Avengers – would be unlike every step Marvel has taken so far. Especially considering that the movies they are going with are more in line with the original Avengers line up than any of the more modern day ones. In other words, no Hawkeye, no Scarlet Witch, no Black Panther, no Luke Cage.

I must admit that part of this is hope, but I think it’s relatively well reasoned hope and something that I can put some faith in.

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TruePunishment
TruePunishment - 4/17/2010, 7:31 AM
First?
TruePunishment
TruePunishment - 4/17/2010, 7:33 AM
I am sorry but I think Buffy The Vampire Slayer sucked... But I won't judge until I see these movies.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/17/2010, 8:16 AM
To late he was already spotted in the ice in the hulk movie .
tazmaniak
tazmaniak - 4/17/2010, 8:17 AM
TruePunishment, I guess everyone has different tastes.I put Buffy and Angel up there with my favorite shows like The Shield and The Wire.While I don't think it's the best show ever produced, I think it's the best genre show.

I like how his shows can take a large cast and flesh out each individual character.Even though the shows were about Buffy and Angel, it also focused on a dozen other characters.You don't really get that with other shows.He also knows how to balance out the humor and drama amid all the action.

I think he is perfectly suited for these movies.

I don't know how much about the Cap script will change, but they've already told us the film will begin and end in the present, and the other Avengers would show up at the end.
foxfan
foxfan - 4/17/2010, 8:18 AM
this is a cool article, but i don't think anyone has ever doubted that Avengers will be an origins movie. i think the consensus theory is (and has been) that the movies about individual characters are heading towards the making of a team, the Avengers (as indicated by the nick fury easter egg at the end of IM).

so sure, Avengers will probably be an origins movie.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 4/17/2010, 8:20 AM
TruePunishment @

You need to be PUNISHED!



NO FISTING ALLOWED! : P
tazmaniak
tazmaniak - 4/17/2010, 8:24 AM
"To late he was already spotted in the ice in the hulk movie."

Yeah, but that was a deleted scene.If it didn't make it into the movie, then it's not canon.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 4/17/2010, 8:24 AM
JOSH @ Pity you don't share your thoughts in the comment section dude, but yeah JOSS will be alright!

And welcome back.
betarayphil
betarayphil - 4/17/2010, 8:41 AM
Yeah Buffy was a great metaphor for high school/college experience...but he also scripted or script doctored alot of other movies like :
# Speed (1994) – writer (uncredited)
# The Getaway (1994) – writer (uncredited)
# Waterworld (1995) – writer (uncredited)
# Toy Story (1995) – screenplay
# Alien Resurrection (1997) – writer
# Titan A.E. (2000) – screenplay
# X-Men (2000) – treatment (uncredited)
# Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001) – treatment

He claims they only used two of his lines in X-Men, and I haven't seen Titan AE.... but the story on Alien Resurrection was good - the directing sucked, Speed was a great movie for what it was, and who the hell doesn't like the original TOY STORY??? Waterworld? hmm.. will have to think about that one...
betarayphil
betarayphil - 4/17/2010, 9:00 AM
oops apparently they didn't use his script for Waterworld..."He also wrote uncredited drafts or rewrites of Speed, Waterworld, Twister and X-Men, although in interviews, Whedon disowned the latter three films. He claimed that he had a good script for Alien: Resurrection, which he felt was spoiled by its director Jean-Pierre Jeunet.[24] His Waterworld script was thrown out, and only two of his lines were kept in the final script of X-Men.[25] Even the Buffy movie bore little resemblance to his original screenplay.[26] According to Graham Yost, the credited writer of Speed, Whedon wrote most of its dialogue[citation needed] (see examples of credit conflicts in the WGA credit system."
stopdropandroll
stopdropandroll - 4/17/2010, 9:00 AM
Hey don't knock Waterworld. I actually liked that movie. LOL

I love the scene where Costner goes aboard the oil tanker, surrounded by the bad guys and demands that they release the girl.

I think Whedon will do a fine job with rewriting both stories. Say what you will, but Whedon has a good eye for seeing what's ahead and connecting stories together.
DaenerysTargaryen
DaenerysTargaryen - 4/17/2010, 9:56 AM
I heard Whedon was originally supposed to direct and write the Wonder Woman film but something happened that he quit the project.
Ryden
Ryden - 4/17/2010, 10:40 AM
Yeah we already know this...I kinda thought this was common knolwedge that First Avenger will set up the Avengers? :P
CaptainAmerica
CaptainAmerica - 4/17/2010, 10:42 AM
Isnt this shit common sense? Havent people been saying this for months already? Why make a [frick]ing article out of it?
PS3geek1
PS3geek1 - 4/17/2010, 10:45 AM
I say give Whedon his chance with these movie scripts... Serenity and Firefly where really good when it comes to action and character. It does make sense that Captain America and the Avengers do have to have a continuous story line. So it does make sense for the scripts to tie into each other, without any hiccups.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 4/17/2010, 10:56 AM
@Darantino, that's pretty interesting. I wonder if they'll explain why they're called avengers.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/17/2010, 10:56 AM
@ anil

no offense, buddy, but you're stating your opinions about Whedon's run like its fact, when in reality, the vast majority of fans loved his Astonishing X-Men run and were very upset when he left. also, Whedon never said he didn't want his Astonishing books in continuity. They most definately are in continuity. he just didn't want his story to be bogged down by other things that are going in in the main X-Books. But everything that happened in his Astonishing books are in continuity. (Colossus returning, Kitty getting lost in space...) Also, you say his run turned into a "cowyboy space fight." Its not like this was the first time the X-Men have had adventures in space. Sci-Fi has been a part of X-Men history for years and years. i know some people don't like their space adventures, but the bottom line is, its a part of the X-Men. If you want to blame anyone for putting the X-Men in space, then blame Chris Claremont.

you also mention Brubaker's run as being good, while, in reality, fan consensus states that it sucked. personally, i loved it, but most fans did not, which is why it only last about 5 or 6 issues.

all i'm saying, (and as respectfully as possible) is that your opinions don't reflect the comic community or the fans as a whole. because the truth of the matter is that Whedon's run on X-Men was loved by a LOT of fans.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/17/2010, 10:59 AM
and yeah, this is pretty much common knowledge. did anyone really think that all these single character movies were building toward anything OTHER than the Avengers origin??
Betty
Betty - 4/17/2010, 11:10 AM
Me on the fence with Whhhedon. Most of his stuff is silly to me. Like a sillier Sam Raimi.
MSJuggalo
MSJuggalo - 4/17/2010, 11:22 AM
@thunderforce and kenny38606

The shield was also spotted in Iron Man (and not in a deleted scene). However, this is before they find Cap in the ice.

So as it was stated before: these are Easter eggs! They don't necessarily apply with the actual story.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/17/2010, 11:27 AM
I'm sorry but these articles keep getting more and more pointless - we already know this! It's common sense!!! And a "cryogenic chamber"...very realistic, I dont think! So what, he gets trapped in it for 60 years like some sort of idiot, lol!?

Guys, check out my SECRET AVENGERS Fan Cast!!! Just click the link!!! :)
Android666
Android666 - 4/17/2010, 11:30 AM
Android has peered into the Marvel crystal ball, and foresees a French resistance femme fatale Peggy Carter love story in First Avenger. But what's hot is that when Steve Rogers thaws into the 21st century he will also fall in love with her daughter, Sharon Carter, a smokin sexy S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. Nothing like a little patriotic mother-daughter action to get your flagpole nice and erect! Whedon can't resist.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/17/2010, 11:33 AM
@ josh


haha!!! they don't have cryo-chambers NOW, much less in the 40's, lol. so yeah, seems realistic to me...
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 4/17/2010, 11:41 AM
THANK YOU captain obvious!


JoshW is with me, i can tell...
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 4/17/2010, 11:43 AM
i thought this was going to be like a scoop. like someone got a quote or a comment from marvel/joss/inside source about this.

but nope just a bunch of crap. put this shit fan fic.
Rango
Rango - 4/17/2010, 11:54 AM
plz will HULK be there?
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/17/2010, 11:54 AM
CDB: Lol, and how would he even get in there? Wander in and have the Red Skull close the door behind him..? ;) There is nothing wrong with Cap being frozen under water - at least that's borderline realistic!

OdinsBeard: Dude, this shouldnt even be put under "Editorials"! It's like me writing an article saying that Thor should be set in Asgard and build up to The Avengers...[frick]ing pointless! :P
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/17/2010, 12:32 PM
tea: LMAO!!! :D

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Checkmate
Checkmate - 4/17/2010, 2:57 PM
Soooo, I never understood, what are the Avengers avenging?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/17/2010, 3:10 PM
@ negativeman

heh, actually nothing. Mark Millar said the same thing when he was writing The Ultimates. Thats the whole reason he changed their names, because the Avengers weren't avenging anything.
1chris2
1chris2 - 4/17/2010, 3:14 PM
a cryo chamber would be pretty cool to see the cap in.
Checkmate
Checkmate - 4/17/2010, 3:18 PM
@CDB Lol, thats pretty funny stuff.
Apoc4all
Apoc4all - 4/17/2010, 5:07 PM
Well [frick] you all you Joss Whedon haters. And [frick], man, have you not been reading the articles on this site? It was the whedon deal, and the two movie outlines have already been announced. In fact the movie plots (the exact ones you just theorized), were announced, like, a year ago, long before whedon ever signed on.
Raziel44
Raziel44 - 4/17/2010, 6:25 PM
I think it would work better for the Avengers movie if they find Cap in the ice at the end of his movie, maybe a scene after the credits. That way Avengers can get right into it. What do you think?
Raziel44
Raziel44 - 4/17/2010, 6:34 PM
I think it would work better for the Avengers movie if they find Cap in the ice at the end of his movie, maybe a scene after the credits. That way Avengers can get right into it. What do you think?
MCat
MCat - 4/17/2010, 8:18 PM
no luke cage? did you see iron man?
SHAZAM171
SHAZAM171 - 4/17/2010, 10:37 PM
Matthew Vaughn did 2 movies before Kick-Ass. Layer Cake and Stardust, 2 movies that did not do all that great and were no way awesome or blockbusters. He did Kick-Ass and it was amazing. Joss Whedon is going to do an amazing job. Watch and mark my words.
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