Darren Aronofsky Says The JOKER Origin Film Sounds Very Similar To His BATMAN Pitch

Darren Aronofsky Says The JOKER Origin Film Sounds Very Similar To His BATMAN Pitch

Did you know that many years ago, acclaimed Hollywood director Darren Aronofsky pitched a wild Batman reboot to Warner Bros. that was passed over in favor of Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins?

By MarkJulian - Sep 13, 2017 02:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman
Source: FirstShowing.net
It seems everyone's fascinated by all the news surrounding WB's plans to create a standalone anthology banner for a new slate of DC Films that exist outside of the DCEU, even Darren Aronofsky (Black Swan, The Wrestler, Pi, Requiem for a Dream).  He's apparently well aware of the rumors that WB (reportedly) wants Leonaro DiCaprio to play Gotham's Clown Prince of Crime in a standalone origin film.

In a new interview to promote his upcoming film Mother, which stars Mystique actress Jennifer Lawrence, Aronofsky was asked about his Batman pitch and if the studio rejected it because they felt it was too dark.


"You know what, I think it's finally... I think we were basically, whatever it is, fifteen years too early.  Because I hear the way they’re talking about the Joker movie and that's exactly – that was my pitch."  

"I was like: we're going to shoot in East Detroit and East New York.  We're not building Gotham. The Batmobile – I wanted to be a Lincoln Continental with two bus engines in it... With two bus engines, all duct taped together. It was the duct tape MacGyver Batman.
"

In addition, Aronofsky believes that elements/ideas from his script made their way into Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice as his film also featured a Bruce Wayne who branded wrongdoers.  

"Some of my ideas got out there through other films.  Like the ring with "BW", Bruce Wayne's ring making the scar was our idea and I think that was in Zack [Snyder's] or something. Which is fine, you write these ideas and they get out. "

"We were all about reinventing it and trying to make it more Taxi Driver visceral. That was the whole pitch. But the toy people were like,
'Oh it can't be a Lincoln Continental, you have to make a Batmobile.'"

Perhaps WB will revisit Aronofsky's film under their new standalone (untitled) DC Films banner? Hopefully they release some news on what it's called and what they're planning in the coming weeks as there's a generally-negative vibe encircling the idea- mostly due to a lack of specific information.

Side Note: Back in 2011 (wow, time flies) during my early days at CBM, I wrote a series of articles looking at all the unmade superhero films in Hollywood's history called Looking Back.  One of those articles was dedicated to all of WB's unmade Batman films prior to Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins.  

It seems Aronofsky wanted none other than a young Ben Affleck to play Bruce Wayne in his Batman: Year One film.  Read more details by CLICKING HERE.
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LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/13/2017, 2:11 PM
I think Arnosfsky's Batman take would be better for a comic than a film. It feels much more interesting as an elseworld story.

Having read the script, WB made the right choice going with Batman Begins but I'd still like Arnosfsky's take in a comic form.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 9/13/2017, 2:15 PM
@LEVITIKUZ - As a comic, sure. But movies are few and far between, and have an outsized role in shaping cultural understanding of characters. It's not really the place for ground-up reinterpretations of a character that still hasn't really been properly depicted on screen.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/13/2017, 2:22 PM
@Spock0Clock - reinterpretations of a character that still hasn't really been properly depicted on screen.

When you say this, are we talking when Arnosksky pitched the film or currently?
MarkV
MarkV - 9/13/2017, 2:28 PM
@LEVITIKUZ - You have to ask? Batman has NEVER had a proper screen depiction. There have been great films, but no real Batman to speak of.
MarkV
MarkV - 9/13/2017, 2:31 PM
Batman = Darth Vader + Sherlock Holmes.

Batman is just standing there doing nothing scary. Batman walks as much as he runs. Batman broods. Bruce Wayne, the real Bruce Wayne not the one we see in public is cold as ice.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 9/13/2017, 2:13 PM
I didn't make the connection between the brand and Aronofsky's ring, but I'll be damned if he's not right about that.

That said, his pitch was dog-shit, anyway.
TomSolo
TomSolo - 9/13/2017, 4:52 PM
@Spock0Clock - He may feel that way, but the Phantom has been branding people with his ring almost every Sunday in newspaper comics for about 80 years, so I hope Aronofsky doesn't think he had an original idea.
OptionFour
OptionFour - 9/13/2017, 8:47 PM
@Spock0Clock - Isn't that sort of a trope at this point though? In lots of action movies? 'Tough guy punches villain, villain is left with a ring mark/scar'? I'm sure I've seen that at least a dozen times. For anyone at this point to say they came up with it, or to say its original, is pretty spurious. Its not special or new at all.
MarkV
MarkV - 9/13/2017, 9:32 PM
@Spock0Clock - This thread! It's pushing all my Batman buttons. OK, so the "ring brand" is kind of a perfect symbol of weak writing and characterization. It's a kind of Cargo Cult of the Bat mythology. Obviously being a target of Batman is going to be psychologically destructive. He is going to live rent free in your head forever after. To replace that figurative fear for a literal brand shows a huge failure of imagination.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 9/14/2017, 8:04 AM
@TomSolo - My reading of this situation was that Aronofsky included the idea aware of the Phantom having a similar gimmick (the twist here is that the T and W of the ring are overlapped, and people think he's leaving a bat-shaped mark, thus leading to him adopting the bat as his own symbol). Which is clever in its own way, but one of those "overly complicated explanations for something that people should just take at face value". Basically, I fully expect it to show up in the fourth season of Gotham.

But I'm pretty sure by the time it got to Snyder, WB were using Aronofsky as the frame of reference instead of the Phantom. At least... I'm guessing os.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/13/2017, 2:17 PM
@Batmaniac - I don't think Arnosfsky's pitch was shitter. He was going for a more Earth One grounded Batman film.

Here's a trailer for what his film would've looked like made by someone who read Arnosfsky's script. It's interesting to say the least.

ELAYEM
ELAYEM - 9/13/2017, 2:15 PM
Aronofsky sounds like a great director for Batman and then you read these comments...

Yeesh sounds awful
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 9/13/2017, 11:19 PM
@Elayem - exactly my thoughts
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 9/13/2017, 2:15 PM
RolandD
RolandD - 9/13/2017, 2:16 PM
That sounds like we dodged a bullet. Lincoln Continental with two bus engines duct taped together. This is The Batman. That sounds like it belongs in Super with Rainn Wilson.
ODanil
ODanil - 9/13/2017, 2:17 PM
that was some shade right there
bcom
bcom - 9/13/2017, 2:17 PM
Had they produced his Batman movie it honestly would've buried the franchise deeper that Batman and Robin already had done. It was a horrible idea and in no way remotely stuck to Batman's origin or mythology. A young Bruce Wayne being raised and trained as a street fighter by a mechanic called Big Al and using a deserted subway station as the Batcave with his batsuit being a pair of mechanic's overalls? Nope. Not my Batman.
BlacktimusPrime
BlacktimusPrime - 9/14/2017, 3:38 PM
@bcom - Exactly. Maybe as some sort of parody, or an elseworlds comic? Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy was amazing. This, not so much....
DENNISsystem
DENNISsystem - 9/13/2017, 2:17 PM
If they ever did an adaptation of Batman: R.I.P., these ideas would be perfect for the Batman of Zur-en-arrh. Otherwise it doesn't sound like my cup of tea.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 9/13/2017, 2:19 PM
What is with people's fascination about taking all of the comic book stuff out of Batman and making it just another of the 1000 generic vigilante stories that Hollywood produces?
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