EDITORAL: Should the Joker be in the Superman/Batman film?

they shouldn't put joker at least not yet, maybe a cameo of another batman villain yeah but it's to soon for the joker.

Not yet, and Hiddleston, No.

I'm not entirely sure what they're going for in this movie. They say it's semi-based on Dark Knight Returns, but there's such a specific stand-off between Superman and Batman in that story, and the same doesn't exist here. It... I mean maybe it COULD, but I don't see how you establish that this soon. Returns is such an "ultimate outcome" type story, and one has to assume this is there for them to build on top of.

In Returns, the real antagonist is purely philosophical, ultimately. Here, I suppose there has to be a "real threat" at some point.

One could easily see Batman getting a little antsy about this omnipotent space alien seemingly doing whatever the [frick] he wants, and decides to create counter-measures and takes him down a peg. Superman at the end of Man of Steel is definitely one you feel could learn a thing or two before growing into the Superman we know and (actually) love. I would've preferred to see a "real" Man of Steel 2 to bring him closer to that before mixing these franchises, but perhaps now Batman will be part of that lesson.

It does diminish Clark/Kal/Superman a little, in that it speaks to his inability to come to those conclusions himself, or to the fact that he lacks those components in his upbringing (which is sort of a huge deal) but Man of Steel already shows a different Superman from that. That's already stuff they need to deal with, just like Peter Parker is a fundamentally different guy in Amazing.

But I think it's still the smart thing to do. Using Superman's current air of superiority as the counter weight to Batman's convictions. Have them clash and learn from each other. I think it's smart to have a human villain if any, and if I was writing it, Lex would definitely be the obvious pick. Have him play on the uncertainty and paranoia people are bound to feel after Man of Steel, and have him be the "bad", greedy, self involved example of humanity to contrast Batman.


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It should just be Lex with some possible ties/nods to gangs of Gotham and Metropolis. Hiddleston? He's great as Loki so let's leave it at that. A little overhyped outside of that one character IMO.

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About the soon-ness, I don't think they'll do any solo Batmans for a long time - if at all.

Think about it. Justice League is what they're working up to. They'll want him back for a bajillion of those, more likely, because I think it's telling that they have never attempted a Wonder Woman, Aqua Man, Cyborg et all. I think THEY think most of those characters only work in a team environment.

I fully expect Justice Leagues to happen faster than Avengers with little to fill the gap between them.

Should be just Lex, Mercy and Metallo.

It should be Lex and Bizarro.

Plus, Tom Hiddleston is Loki. That would be so [frick]ing cheap.

No and no. I think it'd make more sense to have a villain who is obsessed with money like penguin instead of lex hiring a batman villain

No! Not because of the idea that nobody can play the character again, but because this is technically a Superman sequel. It needs to be his rogues gallery this time around, with nods to Gotham criminals. When Batman has his solo movie, definitely, bring back the Joker.

Isn't the obvious way to get Batman involved in Metropolis by having Wayne Enterprises help with the cities rebuilding after the destruction on MOS?

Personally, I do think both Lex & Joker should make an appearance.... However I don't think either of them should be the reason Superman & Batman meet up, a more universal villain that's not locked into being just one heroes main baddie would do the trick, like Vandal Savage or Prometheus and so on

@JayJayCAW

Since Josh Brolin didnt get the role for Bats, i can see him playing Vandal Savage or Jeffrey Dean Morgan :]

BANE5000@ Personally I'd title it "The Man of Tomorrow"

I think including the Joker would be a mistake. This would distract from the relationship they're trying to build with Bats and Supes. Lex is badass enough to hold his own as the only villian. Keeping the dynamic between these three would make the story stronger. Less is more in this case certainly takes presedence. Lex, Bruce and Clark are severly complex characters and adding more villians will only dilute the formula.

Alot of people will view Superman as being a villian for all the destruction that fell on the city. I'm sure Lex will be promoting himself as a hero at the same time condeming Supes as the villian. Batman may still be considered a threat as well. We still don't know whose POV this flim will be told.

The only exception I would make is Ra's using Lex for his power and money to further his own evil agenda. Other than him keep this a three way dance between Batman, Superman and Lex.

Ace in the sleeve*
Bit of Swedish residue in that choice of words. :P

Lexiac.
Or even if they don't meld together like in the animated series, I would like to see Lex and Brainiac.
Also, Lex might be able to get his hands on some super blood, and bingo, Bizarro.

Lex is a must in this film but I would also have a secondary villain that Supes and Bats can really let loose on like a Brainiac or a Clayface. Luthor has the brains but we need a physical threat as well imo.