Does JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Connect To Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT? SPOILERS

Does JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Connect To Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT? SPOILERS

Todd Phillips' Joker: Folie À Deux is now in theaters, and the ending of the movie has led to speculation that this DC sequel might connect to Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 04, 2024 08:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker

"You wanna know how I got these scars?"

Joker: Folie À Deux is now in theaters, and while the ending of Todd Phillips' musical sequel has proven to be highly divisive (much like the rest of the movie), one particular moment has led to some speculation that the events of this film could connect to Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight.

Major spoilers follow.

Folie À Deux concludes with Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix) returning to serve out his sentence in Arkham after initially going on the run following a car bomb explosion outside the courtroom. Fleck catches up with Lee Quinzel (Lady Gaga), but when she rejects him for renouncing his Joker persona, he allows the cops to take him back to the institution. 

After being told that he has a visitor, Arthur makes his way down the corridor before being stopped by a clearly unstable young inmate played by Connor Storie, who asks Fleck if he wants to hear a joke. The unnamed inmate tells a joke about a psychopath in a bar, and follows the "you get what you f*cking deserve" punchline by stabbing Arthur repeatedly in the stomach.

As Fleck bleeds out on the floor, we see the inmate carve a Glasgow Smile into his own face in the background.

It seems like a pretty blatant nod to the late Heath Ledger's take on the Joker from The Dark Knight, but is it actually supposed to be the same character? We highly doubt it - for multiple reasons. In fact, we're not even sure Phillips is directly referencing Ledger's iconic version of the villain by having Storie's character carve his own face up.

It seems more likely that the filmmaker is simply attempting to illustrate how Fleck's celebrity status has influenced the more impressionable members of society, and that even if he dies, the "Joker" monicker will continue to be taken up by others. Could Ledger's Joker be one of these people? It's possible, but something tells us Phillips wasn't being that specific.

What did you make of this moment? Let us know in the comments section down below.

From acclaimed writer/director/producer Todd Phillips comes Joker: Folie À Deux, the much-anticipated follow-up to 2019’s Academy Award-winning Joker, which earned more than $1 billion at the global box office and remains the (second) highest-grossing R-rated film of all time.

The new film stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The film also stars Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out, Capote), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

The movie is rated R for “some strong violence, language throughout, some sexuality, and brief full nudity.”

Do you plan on seeing the Joker sequel opening weekend? Let us know in the comments section down below.

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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/4/2024, 8:35 PM
This sounds like something Josh would write
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McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/4/2024, 10:53 PM
@HashTagSwagg - low-key...you ain't lying.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/4/2024, 11:42 PM
@McMurdo - whats this hate against Josh? He is the soul of this site
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/5/2024, 1:55 AM
@Malatrova15 - I don't hate Josh at all!
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/5/2024, 1:57 AM
@McMurdo - who is josh? ...
Ooh the wilding guy...that mofo gave 5 star reviews on The Marvels ..he is the Cole Smithey of comicbook movies
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 10/7/2024, 9:57 AM
@Malatrova15 - This has got to be the O.G. gusto....
dracula
dracula - 10/4/2024, 8:37 PM
No

We saw Batman’s origin in batmam begins

We saw a completely different one in joker
TheyDont
TheyDont - 10/4/2024, 8:54 PM
@dracula - Heh, Batmam
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/5/2024, 4:32 AM
@dracula - Also Harvey Dent would be a decade older.
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 10/4/2024, 8:38 PM
So dumb! The Wayne’s killer in Joker was wearing a Joker mask while the killer in Nolan’s was Joe Chill without a mask. I don’t see how they can connect it 🤷‍♂️🤣
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/4/2024, 10:17 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - Yeah and Falcone said to Bruce that Joe Chill told him how Thomas Wayne begged for mercy. Lets talk about how Falcone just "lied" to the person who witnessed the murder.

So choose your poison -
1) was the Wayne Murder scene a non-reliable dreamlike interpretation of Bruce's repressed memory
or
2) does Nolan not give a F about plot holes.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/4/2024, 10:51 PM
@SpiderParker - good to see ya bud
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 10/5/2024, 2:16 AM
@SpiderParker - falcone was clearly just saying that as a [frick] you to Bruce.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 10/5/2024, 5:34 AM
@SpiderParker - Um…or maybe Joe Chill lied to Falcone? That’s a really weird hill for you to die on 😂
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/5/2024, 6:56 AM
@Twenty23Three & CerealKiller1 - To the guy who witnessed the murder and hence the supposed begging for mercy part? The lie (or the [frick] you) doesn't work if the other party already knows its a lie.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/5/2024, 7:02 AM
@McMurdo - Good to see you too, Hulk. How's Banner?
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 10/5/2024, 8:02 AM
@SpiderParker - yeah it does. He’s taunting him by saying that his father was a coward, knowing he can do nothing about it. He’s showing his power, which is whole point of the interaction
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 10/5/2024, 8:49 AM
@Twenty23Three - And you are a killer, Doc Brown told me how you used his time machine to kill John F Kennedy. Can you feel my power now? Grow up, lies cant be used to taunt someone if there's no shred of doubt.

Also FYI, in between the flashback, you can see adult Bruce waking up from the dream and calling it a nightmare, take it as you will.
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 10/7/2024, 9:05 AM
@SpiderParker - don’t get upset with me because you didn’t understand a scene buddy
RaddRider
RaddRider - 10/4/2024, 8:50 PM
Is it Connor Storie or Jacob Lofland???
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 10/4/2024, 8:52 PM
@RaddRider - Connor Storie... Lofland plays Arthur's friend who he kisses.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/4/2024, 8:51 PM
I get how the Glasgow Smile or scars thing can make people reach to the conclusion this is meant to be the origin of Heath Ledgers Joker but if you think about it , it makes no sense since the timeline is off…

They just paid homage to that since I doubt we would have gotten him falling into a vat or acid & such for this more grounded take while showing that Arthur’s Joker persona was his undoing and has led the way for someone worse it seems to take his place.

Also it’s not Jacob Lofland’s character that stabs him but a different inmate played by Connor Storrie.

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/4/2024, 8:53 PM
Off topic:
@JoshWilding

Elizabeth Henstridge reportedly cast in Superman & Lois S4.

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/elizabeth-henstridge-to-appear-in-key-role-in-superman-loiss-final-season/
Forthas
Forthas - 10/4/2024, 9:04 PM
If it was an attempt to connect to The Dark Knight it is a piss poor attempt. It clearly is not but I do think it was put in to subtly remind people of their favorite Joker. In my opinion peoples interest in the Joker is single handedly the result of Ledger's take and what propelled Phoenix Joker to the popularity it once had.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/5/2024, 2:15 AM
@Forthas - I think the hate for this movie is overblown, just saw it and it's exactly on the level of the first one but with a more ham fisted message tacked on. Still an entertaining film.

That said, early on there is a shot of the "Joker" that stabs him which seemed so disconnected from everything else in the scene that it pulled me way out of the movie and all I could think about was if that was a reshoot to add more setup for their weird Joker origin retcon..
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/5/2024, 4:35 AM
@UncleHarm1 - I'm not even a fan of the first movie, but it's Citizen Kane compared to this.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/4/2024, 9:14 PM
Todd tried to go full on meta and it didn't work in the slightest. This ending was surely a studio note or something. Like how the [frick] are you gonna go ahead and do this, and assume this was the only way.. I gave the first movie a pass but this shit is irredeemable
Forthas
Forthas - 10/4/2024, 9:16 PM
If they were smart, they could have linked it to The Batman. A few overlapping castings an then this newer version could have been used as the new Joker.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/4/2024, 9:34 PM
@Forthas -
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Toecutter
Toecutter - 10/4/2024, 10:19 PM
@Forthas - What an awful design. I hope they fix it for the sequel because Barry Keoghan is a great actor, and unlike everyone else, I'm willing to give him another shot.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/4/2024, 10:50 PM
@Toecutter - I agree! They over did it with the makeup. Not sure if I would have cast him as Joker but if he has to be he could turn out to be a good choice
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/4/2024, 10:52 PM
@Toecutter - he's 3 feet tall. Good actor, terrible for the role.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/5/2024, 4:40 AM
@Forthas - The time periods don't match. Bruce was 10 in 1982 in Joker, which would make him in his 50s in The Batman. But I think The Batman and Joker were originally gonna be in the same universe, because they both featured Earth One elements, Thomas Wayne being Mayor and having a murky past for example. And The Batman was reportedly set in the 1990s originally, which would have fit.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/5/2024, 10:28 AM
@ObserverIO - The time frames could better match if the guy that kills Phoenix Joker is the new one.
TK420
TK420 - 10/4/2024, 9:23 PM
So does it?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/5/2024, 4:43 AM
@TK420 - no not at all, thankfully.
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 10/4/2024, 9:53 PM
So Josh's attempt at his attempt to connect to the Dark Knight Trilogy is to deny that it connects to the dark knight Trilogy?
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/4/2024, 10:53 PM
@BraxtonHicks - this isn't Josh's article. Even if it sounds like a Josh article lol
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 10/4/2024, 10:04 PM
LOL
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NoobNoob
NoobNoob - 10/4/2024, 11:37 PM
pointless article, since the first one we already know that is an elseworld. They even recreate their own version of the murder of the Waynes

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