James Gunn Reminds Fans DC Studios Had NOTHING To Do With Warner Bros.' JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX

James Gunn Reminds Fans DC Studios Had NOTHING To Do With Warner Bros.' JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX

With Joker: Folie à Deux set to be one of Warner Bros.' biggest DC critical and commercial failures yet, DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has smartly reminded fans that it's not his and Peter Safran's doing...

By JoshWilding - Oct 06, 2024 04:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

If you go by the CinemaScore aloneJoker: Folie à Deux is the worst comic book movie ever. That seems a tad harsh but it's clear comic book fans and regular filmgoers alike have wholly rejected Warner Bros. Discovery's Joker sequel. 

Despite mostly positive reviews out of Venice last month, verdicts since have not been kind and the consensus seems to be that neither the story nor musical elements work. 

After a disastrous 2023, the expectation was that Joker: Folie à Deux might turn things around for the brand ahead of a crucial 2025 which will launch a new DCU with Superman in July. 

Instead, it's another critical and commercial flop, doing DC few favours as it looks to rebound from the DCEU era of storytelling. It probably won't surprise you then that DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn was quick to remind fans on social media that they had nothing to do with the critically panned sequel. 

Director Todd Phillips and co-writer Scott Silver made similar comments last month at a pre-screening Q&A. "With all due respect to [Gunn and Safran]," he said, "this is kind of a Warner Brothers movie, and that's them also wanting it to be like, 'Okay, Todd did his thing. Let Todd continue to do his thing.'"

Silver chimed in to say Joker: Folie à Deux "started before [Gunn and Safran] even came up for it," prompting Phillips to remind those in attendance that this is "not like DC proper, even though it'll say DC after."

It's apparent that neither of them wanted to be associated with the DC brand any more than they had to be but that coukd do DC Studios the world of good when all is said and done. After all, the first project to boast their logo is The Penguin and that sits at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. 

In our review of the movie, we concluded by saying, "Lady Gaga shines and Joaquin Phoenix brings more of the same to Joker: Folie à Deux, a wholly unnecessary sequel with no new ideas and nothing to say. It doesn’t work as a movie or a musical. What a waste of $200 million."

Did you watch Joker: Folie à Deux in theaters this weekend? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section and check back here soon for the latest update on the sequel's box office performance. 

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/6/2024, 4:49 AM
Im sorry James, but capeslop fans will never forget when the Joker got Jonkled...i by that i mean anally enjoyed by Mad Eye Moody not so Moody One Eyed Irish Sausage .
This....was cinema....and Sabra is amazing.
NOW APOLOGIZE TO JARED LETO AND BRING HIM FOR THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD
SorceresSupreme
SorceresSupreme - 10/6/2024, 4:55 AM
@Malatrova15 - jared leto for supergirl
Batmangina
Batmangina - 10/6/2024, 10:30 AM
@Malatrova15 - JONKLED!!!!
relentless1
relentless1 - 10/6/2024, 4:54 AM
lol damage control getting underway 😂
TehJoker
TehJoker - 10/6/2024, 8:59 AM
@relentless1 - Damage control more uncontrol? You know like chaos and joker stuff? Societtttttyyyyyyy

Eh that one was bad even for me.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/6/2024, 4:58 AM
The Penguin also wasn't a DC Studios project, but that changed after he and the other high ups saw that it was actually good. Joker 2 not getting that label should've been a major red flag. Anyway, Gunn had no say in this movie due to how successful the first one was, so we can't exactly blame him for what happened. Then again, he's the same person who thought Flash was a masterpiece, so who knows really what he thinks.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 5:24 AM
@TheJok3r - Penguin was a DC Studios project. It might not have started as one, but all of the main stages of production was DC Studios. The Batman part II is a DC Studios movie too.
rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 10/8/2024, 3:51 AM
@TheJok3r - The Flash was a masterpiece as far as superhero films go. I kind of wonder what others will think of years later after they get over their stupor (if that happens lol).
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 10/6/2024, 5:00 AM
My nipples are already getting irritated
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 10/6/2024, 7:00 AM
@ProfessorWhy - ?si=ck7iRfC9Pgtxl_3N
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/6/2024, 5:01 AM
This Joker movie just killed what little chance Superman had at being successful at the box office. Gunn and his team would be smart to push it into 2026 to distance it from this train wreck of a movie. While they're at it, they might want to think about removing the DC logo form its marketing. That brand is pretty much dead now.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 10/6/2024, 5:08 AM
@TheJok3r - Your recommendations are pretty terrible and would just cost them more money, never mind that you’re clearly not confident in Superman, which already makes you the wrong person to ask for advice about what to do with the movie.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/6/2024, 6:36 AM
@TheJok3r - I think the general audience has no clue this is DC or what that means. Most probably think this is just a WB movie. Superman is safe
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/6/2024, 9:23 AM
@IAmAHoot - "you’re clearly not confident in Superman"

I wonder why that is, it's not like 9 of the last 10 DC movies completely failed critically and financially.

"which already makes you the wrong person to ask for advice about what to do with the movie."

Yeah, because the people running the clown show over there clearly know what they're doing.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 10/6/2024, 9:32 AM
@TheJok3r - It's a new studio, genius. You're complaining about something brand new, as in they already overhauled your qualm...
Dabs
Dabs - 10/6/2024, 10:55 AM
@IAmAHoot - now now, if he were to think logically, then he wouldn't have something to complain about. oh wait, he still would. nvm.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 5:11 AM
More reasons why I think he's a prick 🤣

All this picking and choosing crap is annoying. If Joker 2 isn't a DC studios film neither should penguin or the Batman be. This guy wants all of the glory and none of the blame when shit hits the fan.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 5:27 AM
@TheClungerine - He's not picking and choosing. It never was a DC Studios film. It's WB. It was always the very last WB DC movie.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 6:04 AM
@ObserverIO - then why is the penguin DC studios? Should that not be WB too?

I went to the Batman unmasked exhibition here in London a few weeks ago and thought it was strange why there was 0 promotion for this film but a massive Gunn superman poster there. Seems very shady to me
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/6/2024, 6:39 AM
@TheClungerine - "This guy wants all of the glory and none of the blame"

Well, can you blame him? I'd do the same thing. I'd keep Batman too, no matter it's an Elseworlds. Atleast Batman is recognizable.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 6:48 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I don't blame him for not wanting anything to do with the joker tbh, that was always elsewords to me. However, the push to include other elswords movies shows under his banner because its successful(reeves Batman)looks sly to me. It should be all elsewords or none of it imo and considering this guy went so hard tryna sell us the Flash only for him to go out of his way as the DC content ceo to distance his DC studios from the joker in its opening weekend looks bad imo.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 10/6/2024, 7:05 AM
@TheClungerine - Wasn't Joker 2 already being shot when he was hired as the head of DC Studios? The Penguin however hadn't started shooting yet and Gunn himself confirmed that he gave notes on that project.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 7:16 AM
@HOTSHOT - gun started in October 22, joker started shooting 2 months after.

If he made changes to the flash he could of to the joker and put it under his DC studios banner.

The Batman was else world's and penguin started shooting March 23 (3 months after joker). Also he announced a Batman project whilst the Batman 2 is in development so what is going on 🤣 it looks like he's picking and choosing to me.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/6/2024, 9:45 AM
@TheClungerine - TBF picking and choosing, if not being forced to do stuff, is kinda normal for all of humanity so...

...if you haven't got the authority to scrap it choosing what to not get involved with at all and what to creatively get involved in to varying degrees with a newly created DC division of a studio seems fair even if open to questioning.

Joker was only ever in name only not a true CBM, a Taxi driver type of film given a dash of brand association thus never REALY a DC film in any true sense regardless if you liked it or not.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 10:26 AM
@TheClungerine - Penguin is a DC Studios production because it was produced by DC Studios. Joker 2 is not because it was produced by WB. Two separate studios.

It's not about when DC Studios was formed. Anything that was already in production or ready to be released when DC Studios was formed was still getting made and being released.
These were:
Shazam 2.
The Flash.
Blue Beetle.
Aquaman 2.
Joker 2.

The final 5 WB DC films in production, before DC Studios was formed.

James Gunn has given notes on all of them, just as an exec at the same company (WBD), but he wasn't involved in their production. The directors and producers of those movies can choose to take Gunn's notes (like the Muschiettis) or ignore them (like Phillips).
newhire13
newhire13 - 10/6/2024, 11:37 AM
@TheClungerine - Movie was greenlit and in pre production with its own creative team before he even got started with his job. What exactly did you want him to say?
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 10/6/2024, 12:03 PM
@TheClungerine - In fact, Joker 2 may have started filming after, but on a movie like that, pre-production can start almost a year before cameras roll. As for the Flash, If he made changes, it was because someone incolved with the production asked him for an opinion or help. Not because he inserted himself in the process. Happens all the time. Writers, directors, producers, often seek the opinions or help of their peers as a fresh set of eyes to try and identify or fix things that aren't working - Doesn't always work out. Tonally, Flash is something with the potential to benefit from Gunn's sensibilities. Joker 2? Not so much.
As for picking and choosing? Probably. But if so, that's part of the deal he made to run DC Studios. That's the authority that Warner Bros. gave him.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 1:49 PM
@newhire13 - if you read on you'd see I said I don't blame for it but why is the Batman DC studios when it's a WB elsewords project. The fact is, the Batman is successful so he is happy to brand that universe under his DC studios when Batman 2 & the penguin spin off was Greenlit (March 22) before Gunn joined (october 22).
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 2:00 PM
@ObserverIO - penguin was announced before Gunn Joined. The Batman stuff was elsewords and not in the DCU yet now Gunn wants it part of DC studios even though the Joker started shooting 3 months after he joined and is released a few weeks after penguin show starts airing?

Why hasn't he left WB to handle Reeves Batverse instead of pushing to have it part of his DC studios banner? It began as a WB production after all 👀
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 2:02 PM
@Patient2670 - I don't doubt anything you said regarding the flash. It's just funny how he distances himself from the flops and the pushes for the successful stuff to be part of his studios 🤣
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/6/2024, 2:13 PM
@Apophis71 - yeah I agree.

I just find it funny
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 3:55 PM
@TheClungerine - DC Studios now oversees all DC productions. So The Batman part II would be DC Studios. WB can no longer make any DC movies, all of them will now be made by DC Studios. Everything after Joker 2 is now under James Gunn's purview.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 10/6/2024, 4:00 PM
@TheClungerine - Sure, and you're right. As the incoming boss, he was afforded that luxury for a time. But now that he's been in office for a while, and anything that's being produced will have been started under his watch, he won't be able to get away with that anymore. Even when a project doesn't bear the DC studios Logo, if it's one of their properties, he's at least responsible for approving their use. If he chooses to allow release under a different banner, he'll still be accountable for how they're portrayed.
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