JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Came To Joaquin Phoenix "In A Dream" Reveals Report Detailing Cast And Crew Paydays

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Came To Joaquin Phoenix "In A Dream" Reveals Report Detailing Cast And Crew Paydays

Following Joker: Folie à Deux's laugh-free opening weekend, a new report details who came up with the sequel, whether anyone will take the blame for its failings, and how much the cast and director made.

By JoshWilding - Oct 08, 2024 10:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

The Hollywood Reporter has published an in-depth analysis of where things went wrong for Joker: Folie à Deux, detailing the movie's conception and who might be to blame for its failings. 

Under pressure from Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav, Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy - the co-heads of Warner Bros. Pictures - decided to give a Joker sequel the green light. Toby Emmerich had already got the ball rolling, and filmmaker Todd Phillips and lead star Joaquin Phoenix quickly nabbed themselves $20 million paydays.

As for Lady Gaga, she negotiated a deal which saw her paid $12 million to play a new version of Harley Quinn.

Unsurprisingly, De Luca and Abdy "were left reeling" (as was everyone at the studio) after Joker: Folie à Deux's disastrous $37.8 million opening weekend. As for Phillips, he's gone into hiding, "[spending] the weekend in seclusion on a ranch property he owns."

One source close to the movie calls its debut "[a] complete audience rejection," and it seems Phillips may end up taking the lion's share of the blame. As the trade explains, he was "given an extraordinary level of autonomy and final cut." 

That meant no test screenings and while insiders argue it was a mutual decision between Phillips and Warner Bros. to preserve spoilers, the trade scoffs at that (after all, spoilers were prevalent online for a month following Joker: Folie à Deux's Venice Film Festival premiere). 

It's also been confirmed that no DC executives were involved with the movie; that includes DC Studios co-CEOs James Gunn and Peter Safran, as well as former DC Films President Walter Hamada who was an executive producer on Joker. Gunn didn't see the movie until De Luca and Abdy, likely just as a courtesy. 

Here's where things get really weird, though. While it's true that Phillips and Phoenix considered taking Joker to Broadway, "The idea for the sequel came to Phoenix in a dream, and he and Phillips brought the idea to Emmerich, according to sources."

Comic book fans and regular moviegoers alike have rejected the Joker sequel and it seems neither group was the intended audience. After one insider was asked who the movie was made for, they responded with two words: "For Joaquin."

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Joker: Folie À Deux is now playing in theaters. 

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MclovinLife
MclovinLife - 10/8/2024, 10:15 AM
WRITE ABOUT SOMTHING ELSE
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 10/8/2024, 10:17 AM
@MclovinLife - Sure! How about the two MCU rumour roundups I've posted today? Or the Paradise Lost update? Maybe that Smallville and Venom news or an Amazing Spider-Man comic preview? But yeah, too many Joker articles, for sure...
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 10:24 AM
@JoshWilding - funny thing is. They don't have to actually click. But yet they do and then take the time to type out a complaint

NickScryer
NickScryer - 10/8/2024, 10:25 AM
@MclovinLife - leave him alone, he earns more for these "articles" than our fat unemployed asses in a week. According to him, at least.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/8/2024, 10:45 AM
@JoshWilding - User Comment Image
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 10/8/2024, 10:46 AM
@MclovinLife - Great job increasing the engagement on this article!
ThorArms
ThorArms - 10/8/2024, 11:18 AM
@MclovinLife - About what? Got any hot comic book news you're sitting on??

There's nothing until Brave New World
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 10/8/2024, 2:01 PM
@Vigor - for Josh, semper fi!
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 2:59 PM
@RegularPoochie - lol
StSteven
StSteven - 10/8/2024, 9:08 PM
@JoshWilding - Whaaaaaa?!? How dare you sir, I say, how dare you! You should NOT be posting articles related to films that are currently dominating the headlines due to how well or poorly they are performing and the reasoning behind that, because no one cares about NOW stuff. No, I want BEFORE stuff.

So, if you don't mind, good sir, how about an article or two about the "Barbie" movie, or "Oppenheimer" or even "The Flash". F**k it, you know what? I know that the oven is still hot on this one, but how about something about "DP&W"? C'mon! At least you're not posting stuff about "Beetlejuice Beetlejuice" or "TF One". *Checks previous posts* Oh shit. Well then, forget it. 😉
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/8/2024, 10:22 AM
his wet dream
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Matador
Matador - 10/8/2024, 10:25 AM
LMAO

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His past self watching his future self
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Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 10:28 AM
@Matador - Joaquin made bank
Matador
Matador - 10/8/2024, 10:31 AM
@Vigor - Of course he did $20 million for making a bad movie after this he won't be bankable. Hope he enjoys his Razzie.
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/8/2024, 11:03 AM
@Matador - yeah but even if he did a bad job, he still gets that $20 million. It's his rate. Even if he does a bad job
Matador
Matador - 10/8/2024, 1:48 PM
@SATW42 - Damn I want that job or a job that pay 20 million just to do a bad job.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/8/2024, 10:27 AM
So many bombs this year, from movies, to TV shows, to videogames, to pagers.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 10:28 AM
@HashTagSwagg - wow
TheyDont
TheyDont - 10/8/2024, 10:52 AM
@HashTagSwagg - This year is da bomb
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 10/8/2024, 1:06 PM
@HashTagSwagg - User Comment Image
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 10:27 AM
This report seems spot on
I was just talking to someone about this movie and I said that the decision to make a musical/comic book movie about a character who may or may not really be the joker, as risky as all hell. But from an artistic standpoint it's admirable. It's the execution that seems to have failed

Which is why this statement - "[a] complete audience rejection" seems mislabeled for joker 2. The movie failed on quality. I'd say the audience more aptly rejected The Marvels as an example. Because thar movie had decent audience scores if I recall. But people were heavy into their hate Brie Larson/women-led films/anto-woke phase at that time
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/8/2024, 10:33 AM
@Vigor -idk if I agree with that since the Marvels for example still has a better audience score then Joker 2 does…

complete audience rejection does seem a bit exaggerated since they are people who did genuinely like Folie a Deux.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 10:35 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I meant to say the marvels didn't fail because of quality. It failed because people made up their minds about the movie before the first trailer even came out

It was rejected by the audience despite being a really entertaining movie
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/8/2024, 10:37 AM
@Vigor - ahhh fair…

Yeahi have seen a fair amount of people who saw The Marvels on D+ , enjoyed it and said they wish they saw it in theaters.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 12:28 PM
@Vigor - So Joker 2 is art and The Marvels is quality. okaydokeydookee!
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 12:52 PM
@ObserverIO - the concept of joker and its sequel is art
I didn't say marvels 2 was quality. I said it failing was NOT due to its perceived lack of quality
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 1:22 PM
@Vigor - How is the concept of Joker 2 art?

"Hey this film made a billion dollars"
"Well what are you waiting for man, fasttrack a sequel, give it a $200 million budget! Put a pop star in it and make it a musical!"

Sounds pretty commercial to me.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 1:42 PM
@ObserverIO - musicals are anything but a safe bet. It's risky as heck to do that. You have to have a heck of a vision to marry a story about joker with a musical. Almost as it you don't care if it made money or not

I'm not into musicals but the concept of this movie sounded like something a high iq person would come up with
Too bad the execution failed
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 1:46 PM
@Vigor - Sounded like something a low iq person would do to me. Guess I was right.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 1:53 PM
@ObserverIO - haha fair
Forthas
Forthas - 10/8/2024, 10:32 AM
This was clearly not made for fans but rather the predilections of the people making the film!

Boy! It is a good thing Warner Brothers hasn't hired a CEO of DC studios who makes decisions based on their own narrow predilections about who should be cast and which characters should be highlighted. That would seem like a disaster in the making!
Vigor
Vigor - 10/8/2024, 10:34 AM
@Forthas - I'm going to start using that big word
Predilection
Forthas
Forthas - 10/8/2024, 10:46 AM
@Vigor - I had to look up how to spell it.
Snow43214
Snow43214 - 10/8/2024, 10:39 AM
Am I right in thinking Gunn said he gave notes after seeing the film?

I wonder what he advised, either way I imagine Todd Phillips had his mind made up so didn't have to take them.

Not to go off on a tangent...but I will

I wonder Gunns level of authority, like if he debunked rumours about The Batman 2, could Matt Reeves ask him to leave things alone?

TheyDont
TheyDont - 10/8/2024, 10:53 AM
@Snow43214 - He said it needed more rape
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 12:33 PM
@Snow43214 - That's a tricky one. He's head of DC Studios, but he can't tell Matt Reeves he's fired because the contract is with WBD. Only Zaslav can cancel The Batman part II. At least I think that's how it is. I can't see Gunn allowing a franchise in direct competition with his to exist.
Snow43214
Snow43214 - 10/8/2024, 1:02 PM
@ObserverIO - yeah, that is awkward, obviously we only know his public persona but I can't see Gunn being an awful person who demands control and wants to oversee The Batman II anyway

I just wonder if Reeves could tell him to back off if he wanted

More just musing to myself if anything haha
Snow43214
Snow43214 - 10/8/2024, 1:02 PM
@TheyDont - ah, usually I'd say source but I trust you @TheyDont my love
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/8/2024, 10:46 AM
20M for Phillips & Phoenix along with Gaga’s 12M seems more reasonable then the 50M each originally reported (I mean , it’s still millions but oh well lol)…

However it really does make me wonder where the rest of the money went for the movie to have a budget of 200 million?.

I mean I get it’s a period movie so creating that world would cost a fair amount of money but not the budget we had by the end (especially if it doesn’t include marketing etc)…

Maybe there is a money laundering scheme going on lol.
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