JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Director Todd Phillips Says His Time In The DC Universe Has Ended Following Sequel

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Director Todd Phillips Says His Time In The DC Universe Has Ended Following Sequel

Joker: Folie à Deux writer and director Todd Phillips has reiterated that his time in the DC Universe has reached its end with the sequel, dismissing the notion of helming a Harley Quinn spin-off project.

By JoshWilding - Oct 04, 2024 05:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

Joker: Folie à Deux is now playing in theaters and, following Joker's box office and award success in 2019, Warner Bros. Discovery was banking on this sequel being every bit as successful.

As of now, that doesn't appear to be the case. Joker was meant to be a standalone story and, while there was speculation about an eventual follow-up perhaps pitting Arthur Fleck against a mentally broken Bruce Wayne who'd become a vengeful Batman, that always felt more like fan fiction than a realistic prospect.

The movie we're getting this weekend instead focuses on the twisted romance between Joker and Lee Quinzel/Harley Quinn, with musical numbers and an ending that's dividing fans

Regardless of whether he goes out on a high or low, filmmaker Todd Phillips views Joker: Folie à Deux as the end of his stint in the DC Universe. 

"It’s not really where this movie is headed for me," he told The Hollywood Reporter when asked about a potential spin-off for Lady Gaga. "I feel like my time in the DC Universe was these two films." 

"I think we sent her half the script, and she texted me pretty quickly that she was really into it, that she loved it and everything you want to hear," Phillips said of casting the singer. "And then I went out to her house, and we met about what it was going to be, the rest of it, because we hadn’t written it yet. [Co-writer] Scott Silver and I are notoriously slow writers."

This is a surprising contrast to 2019 when the filmmaker talked about wanting to create his own DC Universe for Warner Bros. 

"I said, 'This will be the first movie, and then we'll get this director to do that, and this director to do this, and we'll call it DC Black, and Joker will be the first film,'" he explained. "In a weird way, it gives you two bites of the apple, of these characters."

"You can do these kind of down-and-dirty character studies over here, and still do the DC Universe over there. To which they said, 'Okay, calm down, you're not starting a label here at Warners.'" 

Have you watched Joker: Folie à Deux yet?

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Phillips, who was nominated for Oscars for directing, writing and producing Joker, directed Joker: Folie À Deux from a screenplay by fellow Oscar nominee Scott Silver & Phillips, based on characters from DC. This follow-up was produced by Phillips, Oscar nominee Emma Tillinger Koskoff and Joseph Garner. Lady Gaga served as music consultant.

Joker: Folie À Deux is now playing in theaters.

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 10/4/2024, 6:03 AM
What about " JOK3R: Le Peux " tho?
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/4/2024, 6:07 AM
phuck him.
TehJoker
TehJoker - 10/4/2024, 7:58 AM
@harryba11zack - Heyyy not. Thats not very nice. Not very joker of you. Nyehehehehehehhe

Would you like a sweetie pop
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/4/2024, 11:41 AM
@harryba11zack - phuck him in the eye.
Sicario
Sicario - 10/4/2024, 6:20 AM
He really isn't a good story teller. But he does get lucky. Hangover 1 and joker 1. Joker 2 was where he was gonna show if he had learnt to make a good movie. Because joker 1 had been a mishmash of other better movies, this movie was going to be the test.

And the result speaks for itself.

Not to mention when a movie prioritizes the message it wants to convey over a good story, it has never been a success, I don't think.

But rarely does a sequel ruin it's predecessor this badly. Looking back now, the joker has been retroactively ruined.

What a waste.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/4/2024, 9:33 AM
@Sicario - I actually liked Hangover 2 and 3 a lot. Not nearly as good as the first, but nothing is funnier when the wedding party at the end of part 2 start asking, "um ... is that Allen driving the boat?" To add on, when they crashland on the ground Allen drops the anchor overboard.
Moriakum
Moriakum - 10/4/2024, 6:48 AM
Todd Phillips is a mediocre director who got lucky with the first Joker when all he did was copy better films and wrap everything in a cloak of pretentiousness and beautiful cinematography, under a famous character´s name to sell tickets. Now when he tries something original from himself, he shows all his lack of talent.

Whoelsebutkevin
Whoelsebutkevin - 10/4/2024, 9:23 AM
@Moriakum - The Hangover was hella funny first time seeing it, it was smart and had a good story. I feel he's great as one and done movies, but his sequels hurt his legacy.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 10/4/2024, 7:01 AM
At one point WB really wanted this guy running DC lmao
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/4/2024, 7:38 AM
I guess the previous not the current DC/WB regime bit on his DC Black label idea (which admittedly imo is a great concept).

Anyway , this is likely for the best not just because of the critical reception to Folie A Deux but because you can tell this is just not his genre and he’s even said so himself which is fine…

I’m 100% all for creatives being able to tell the story they want to tell but if you are doing a take on an established character or adaptation then I think there should be a respect and a love for it (I think the former is there from Todd but not really the latter).

Anyway , I’m glad he got to tell the story across this duology he wanted to tell but I’m cool with him moving on especially if he can resurrect that Hulk Hogan movie with Chris Hemsworth that he was planning!!.
CplHicks
CplHicks - 10/4/2024, 7:41 AM
You can't fire me, I quit.
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 10/4/2024, 8:08 AM
"I feel like my time in the DC Universe was these two films."

What universe?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/4/2024, 11:45 AM
@MaxPaint - lol, yeah also is that a promise?
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 10/4/2024, 8:24 AM
DC Black?
WTF is that
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 10/4/2024, 12:34 PM
@BabyLasagna - DC Comics created an subdivision imprint called DC Black Label so they could do more adult stories, use harsher language and include more sex and drugs and whatnot - That's what he's trying to emulate here.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 10/4/2024, 2:24 PM
@Patient2670 - oh yeah, I knew the comic sub-label, I didn't know they were doing it in movies.

Not a fan tho, sounds like they want to label movies like "oh this is the cool adult ones"
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 10/4/2024, 3:03 PM
@BabyLasagna - That's what they were trying to do, at least. This was before Gunn took over, so I don't know where it currently stands, other than Matt Reeves Batman being called "Elseworlds" to indicate that it's not in continuity with the other stuff they're making. I'm not a huge fan either.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 10/4/2024, 4:13 PM
@Patient2670 - yeah, if it gets confusing to someone that's into comicbook movies, imagine the confusion for a casual, not a fan at all
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 10/4/2024, 5:00 PM
@BabyLasagna - Agreed.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 10/4/2024, 8:30 AM
I think there’s a great filmmaker buried deep deep down in Philips. There’s some legitimately great shots in The Hangover, as well as some really cool framing of big moments (I’ve described it as kind of a classic feel to a modern film). And despite what all I didn’t like about the Joker, that last scene in the talk show is a masterpiece. In that scene, Philips is able to get the audience to want to see Joker kill Maury, which is just wild. I’d recommend any fan of film to watch that scene, even if they skip the rest of the movie.

Haven’t seen this one yet, but I maintain that Philips has good filmmaking instincts. He has some really bad ones too, but I would never say he’s talentless or whatever.
Matador
Matador - 10/4/2024, 9:00 AM
But did he weep like Mark Webb when he heard Lady Gaga singing?

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Forthas
Forthas - 10/4/2024, 9:21 AM
TODD PHILLIPS TO WARNER BROTHERS:

"Give me my check and you all deal with the garbage I just put out! Suckers"
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 10/4/2024, 9:40 AM
This article has already been posted at least a couple of times here with different wording and an alternate headline... and the same author.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/4/2024, 9:41 AM
Like, no kidding. You went from a billion-dollar film that made tons of profit because the cost to make the film was so low to getting almost more 4 times the budget to make a film that won't even reach 400 million.

Yeah, you weren't welcome back.

I don't believe the musical idea was bad, he just should have bowed out and let a more experience director at musicals take the reins.

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