JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Early Tracking Points To Solid Opening Weekend...That's Way Behind DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Early Tracking Points To Solid Opening Weekend...That's Way Behind DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE

Early box office tracking for Joker: Folie à Deux has hit which points to the latest DC movie having an impressive opening weekend. However, it's still going to fall short of Deadpool & Wolverine...

By JoshWilding - Aug 31, 2024 04:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

In 2019, Joker opened to an impressive $93.5 million in North America and ultimately exceeded expectations by grossing over $1 billion at the worldwide box office.

A great deal has changed since then and the box office hasn't - and likely never will - recover from the impact of COVID-19. The days of blockbusters easily grossing $1 billion are also over as many moviegoers wait to watch new releases at home typically just weeks after they hit the big screen.

While we expect Joker: Folie à Deux to be a hit, the odds are stacked against it due to the damage done to the DC brand in 2023 and the fact this sequel will feature musical elements (which is never much of a draw). 

According to Box Office Theory's Shawn Robbins, the movie is currently eyeing a $120 million - $150 million domestic debut. Those are great numbers and suggest the Clown Prince of Crime will be largely immune to the factors mentioned above. 

However, this tracking is five weeks out, tickets haven't gone on sale yet, and we'd expect more conservative estimates to drop in the weeks ahead.

Also of note is the fact Deadpool & Wolverine, the R-Rated Marvel Studios movie that demolished the records set by Joker, debuted with $211 million last month. Even with a $150 million bow, Joker: Folie à Deux clearly won't be taking any of those records back.

It's not a competition, of course, but the comparison is interesting nonetheless. 

Asked recently whether this franchise (because, despite what was said five years ago about Joker being a standalone tale, that's exactly what it's become) could continue to expand, director Todd Phillips closed the door on Joker 3. For now, at least. 

"It was fun to play in this sort of sandbox for two movies, but I think we’ve said what we wanted to say in this world," he said. 

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Phillips, who was nominated for Oscars for directing, writing and producing Joker, directed Joker: Folie À Deux from a screenplay by fellow Oscar nominee Scott Silver & Phillips, based on characters from DC. This follow-up was produced by Phillips, Oscar nominee Emma Tillinger Koskoff and Joseph Garner. Lady Gaga served as music consultant.

Joker: Folie À Deux arrives in theaters on October 4.

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FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 8/31/2024, 4:57 AM
It won’t outgross D&W, but it doesn’t have to. It’s going to do well, that’s for sure.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 8/31/2024, 4:57 AM
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? 🕺👹🌙
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 8/31/2024, 4:58 AM
@ProfessorWhy - because now you can!
TCronson
TCronson - 8/31/2024, 5:03 AM
Another completely pointless clickbait article from Wilding. Joker still did more than Deadpool & Wolverine overseas and it grossed more than Deadpool 2 with much lower opening weekend. We won't know shit until it releases. Plus the first Joker adjusts to 1.32 bln after inflation which is more than what D&W did so far with China.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/31/2024, 5:14 AM
@TCronson - not sure why DP&W needed to be mentioned in this article at all if it's not a competition....
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/31/2024, 5:18 AM
@TCronson - Oh so Joker wins really, lol. Except it didn't.

I can't believe you adjusted for inflation for a movie that's barely 5 years old and D&W still grosses more even when adjusted.
TheClungerine
TheClungerine - 8/31/2024, 5:25 AM
@lazlodaytona - didn't take its highest grossing r-rated movie crown?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/31/2024, 5:38 AM
@TheClungerine - it did. But my whole point is I don't care about about whose got what.

Comparing the two films. One film had its premiere as the 1st of a possible franchise and the other is like, what 23rd of a franchise with a bigger budge

One had tons of cgi with a plethora of cameos and supporting roles. The other is focussing grounded as hell and mostly focused on two characters.

Even if you didn't know the names of the film, after reading that quick comparison, you'd realize comparing the two's money outcomes is ridiculous.

How about we all grow up and just wish the best for this huge franchise.
TCronson
TCronson - 8/31/2024, 6:17 AM
@ObserverIO - inflation nosedived since 2019, so how old the movie is doesn't matter. Joker adjusts to 1.32 bln while D&W did 1.219 bln right now. D&W wins domestically, but Joker wins overseas even without inflation. Joker's worldwide gross adjusted is higher than D&W, unless D&W somehow manages to gross extra 100+ mln from what it did right now.
Arthorious
Arthorious - 8/31/2024, 8:37 AM
@lazlodaytona - it’ll be spun to be Marvel vs DC and we already know what side Josh has taken.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 8/31/2024, 11:40 AM
@ObserverIO - dont forget the budgets too.

D&w marketing alone beats the whole production + marketing of joker it seems
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/1/2024, 4:28 AM
@TCronson - If that's what you gotta do to convince yourself that Joker is still the highest grossing R-rated film of all time when it's actually Deadpool & Wolverine, then I guess it must matter a lot to you. You really, really, really don't like the fact that D&W took it's place, huh?

I mean you had to work that out. How did you work that out exactly?

You might wanna tell Todd Phillips though, because he already congratulated them.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/1/2024, 4:30 AM
@vectorsigma - Budget wise they're both the same, around $200 million, but D&W's marketing is def bigger than Joker's. Joker's thus far is abysmal.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/31/2024, 5:11 AM
@JoshWilding , you know I love you and I try to show much support for creating this site for us. But then you write THIS near the end:

"It's not a competition, of course, but the comparison is interesting nonetheless."

However, your whole article was one GIANT comparison of the two films...which makes it feel like a competition 😉😀

I had to ask myself does he know what he's doing here?...like did you do that to stir the pot or just didn't realize it?
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 8/31/2024, 6:36 AM
@lazlodaytona - To me, it's just an interesting/noteworthy comparison, especially after DP&W recently broke all of Joker's records!
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/31/2024, 7:56 AM
@JoshWilding - fair enough. sorry. Not trying to be competitive, but how much money/cameos were needed for DPvW to beat that record giving the fact JOKER 1 cost $55 million to make.

It's about profit compared to expense and Joker still knocks it out better that this latest X-Men film, which I highly loved btw, because of profit. That's why Blaire Witch is in the top 5 to 10 movies that was the most profitable. Studios don't care as much as hitting that high dollar (though it's a great look at first, but, end of the day, it's all about profits.

JOKER 2 May not make what the X-Men movie made world-wide, but it'll definitely turn a profit. For some reason our society likes, borderline is obsessed, with serial killers and the minds that make that body happen.
Lisa89
Lisa89 - 8/31/2024, 11:16 AM
@lazlodaytona - Josh didn’t “create” SHIT.
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 8/31/2024, 2:24 PM
@lazlodaytona - "@JoshWilding , you know I love you and I try to show much support for creating this site for us"

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Wilding created what now? That dude can't even build a lego minifigure.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/1/2024, 2:15 AM
@Lisa89 - um🤔, ok...🤷
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 8/31/2024, 5:52 AM
Joker 2 won't open to $150 million.
It will struggle to break a $120 million opening.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 8/31/2024, 6:00 AM
@MarvelZombie616 - was just about to say this.

Unless they do something amazing with the marketing and have Gaga drop a music video or something I don't think it will even crack 100.

Total gross I'd say would be around 550 to 600mil
TCronson
TCronson - 8/31/2024, 6:20 AM
@MarvelZombie616 - it will easily open way past 120 mln, Marvel Zombie.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/31/2024, 7:58 AM
@MarvelZombie616 - where'd u get your Intel...?
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/31/2024, 6:22 AM
I mean i didn’t think this would “beat” Deadpool & Wolverine since even with its R rating , that movie was meant to be a crowd pleaser that appealed to kids & adults alike while this does not and is more niche for lack of a better word.

It’s still estimated as of now to open bigger then the first one did which is good news for the crew , cast & studio but obviously tracking closer to release will give a better picture.

The GA honestly doesn’t really care about the past so stuff like how the DC brand was in 2023 doesn’t affect them , it’s all about whether they liked the first one and if this appeals to them aswell.

Hell , the marketing hasn’t done that great if a job indicating that this film has musical elements so some atleast might not even be aware of it and are expecting more or less the same type of film like the first one.

Anyway , I’m intrigued by this since it does look decent and an improvement atleast over the first one which i didn’t care much for tbh.

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Nolanite
Nolanite - 8/31/2024, 6:25 AM
Oh Joshy boy, you never learn.. most likely will never.
A 120-150 domestic debut is beyond amazing!
Looking forward to seeing this on opening night!
Nolanite out
Arthorious
Arthorious - 8/31/2024, 8:24 AM
The DC brand was also damaged in 2019 yet this first movie was still largely successful. This is just another jab at DC with the D&W comment.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 8/31/2024, 8:33 AM
You're way behind everything Josh. Stop making it a competition you man-child.
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 9/1/2024, 3:40 AM
Joker 2 tickets go on sale tomorrow in Germany, exactly 1 month before start (wednesday october 2nd).

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