JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Reactions From Venice Hail It As "Movie Of The Year" And..."A Huge Disappointment"

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Reactions From Venice Hail It As "Movie Of The Year" And..."A Huge Disappointment"

Joker: Folie à Deux has just screened in Venice and, while the review embargo hasn't lifted yet, we do have some early reactions which are every bit as mixed as those for 2019's Joker. Check them out...

By JoshWilding - Sep 04, 2024 07:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

The first Joker: Folie à Deux screenings took place at the 81st Venice International Film Festival this morning and the first reactions are here. 

The vast majority of critics have not chimed in because they're adhering to an embargo; some have either ignored that or didn't need to agree to it, explaining why we have a few early thoughts on Todd Phillips' Joker sequel. 

We'll start with some of the verdicts posted on Letterboxd@Filmdreams_FD says the "message of the movie is poignant and devastating," but adds that the movie "lacks emotions" and "feels like just a response to those people who thought the first was an eulogy of violence."

@D-Mo states that "the musical aspect feels like a gimmick and eventually [become] tiresome," while @starboy describes it as a "convoluted mess that aspires to be everything and ends up being nothing." Finally, @detectivezinc calls Joker: Folie à Deux "a huge disappointment."

In contrast, the social media reactions are far more positive; our friends over at JoBlo, for example, have hailed it as the "movie of the year." 

If these mixed reviews tell us anything, it's that Joker: Folie à Deux is unlikely to be a critical darling. Joker has only 69% on Rotten Tomatoes but, at the 92nd Academy Awards, it still earned 11 nominations, the most of any film at the ceremony, and won "Best Actor" for Joaquin Phoenix and "Best Original Score" for Hildur Guðnadóttir.

See what critics are saying about Joker: Folie à Deux below and check back here soon for a full review roundup. 

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Phillips, who was nominated for Oscars for directing, writing and producing Joker, directed Joker: Folie À Deux from a screenplay by fellow Oscar nominee Scott Silver & Phillips, based on characters from DC. This follow-up was produced by Phillips, Oscar nominee Emma Tillinger Koskoff and Joseph Garner. Lady Gaga served as music consultant.

Joker: Folie À Deux arrives in theaters on October 4.

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Forthas
Forthas - 9/4/2024, 7:14 AM
I am guessing it is probably a huge disappointment. When you tinker with a winning formula by adding musical numbers...don't expect the same response. It seems like this film may wind up being one of those sequels that tried to be different just to be different with no creative reason why.
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 9/4/2024, 7:23 AM
@Forthas - The 'lacks emotions' comment sounds like there isn't a sympathetic character to root for, much like the first, Fleck loses most of the audience goodwill when he begins to kill.
Vigor
Vigor - 9/4/2024, 8:12 AM
@BillyBatson1000 - funny because that's when I started caring for the guy. It's nice to root for the bad guy every now and then
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 9/4/2024, 10:17 AM
@Vigor - I should have written general audience. I regularly root for the bad guy - they're more honest.
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 9/4/2024, 7:17 AM
The dichotomy of opinion is interesting - both extremes. The cynic in me suspects paid reactions ...
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 7:29 AM
Honestly , not too surprising…

The first one had a mixed critical reception to an extent and this seems like it’ll go a similar route (though we only have a small sample size to measure that from).

Anyway , the movie seems decent to me and an improvement over the first one which I didn’t care much for….

I’m intrigued to check it out , especially for Phoenix & Gaga!!.

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xfan320
xfan320 - 9/4/2024, 7:38 AM
A "predictable mess with great lighting and cinematography" is how I see it going down
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 7:43 AM
That one review mentioning the ending makes me think that maybe Arthur doesn’t make it out of this alive?.

I get this vibe from Gaga’s Harley that she is the master manipulator here.

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UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 9/4/2024, 7:53 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Batman jim, but not as we know it.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 8:01 AM
@UltimaRex - batboy!!

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UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 9/4/2024, 8:56 AM
@TheVisionary25 - big scary murderous batboy...
tRuckRogers46A
tRuckRogers46A - 9/4/2024, 12:49 PM
@TheVisionary25 - that's if she's not just a figment of Fleck's disturbed mind.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 1:04 PM
@tRuckRogers46A - perhaps but idk if that would repeat that beat again
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 9/4/2024, 7:44 AM
Jussie: Smollet á Doosh
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MisterBones
MisterBones - 9/4/2024, 7:51 AM
Hyperbole has killed movie criticism
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/4/2024, 8:00 AM
@MisterBones - It's literally the worst thing ever.
RolandD
RolandD - 9/4/2024, 8:23 AM
@ObserverIO - I see what you did there.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 9/4/2024, 9:53 AM
@ObserverIO - you clever boy
The1st
The1st - 9/4/2024, 1:18 PM
@MisterBones - Hyperbole is a silent assassin...more infamous than the Baba Yaga ever was.
LSHF
LSHF - 9/4/2024, 7:51 AM
It's only a disappointment if you're expectations are incorrect.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 7:52 AM
@LSHF - or if you go in there with any at all instead of just judging what you see
LSHF
LSHF - 9/4/2024, 10:00 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Yep.
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan - 9/4/2024, 8:20 AM
First was shite & is 'Joker' INO. I'm expecting the exact same here so don't really care if I see it or not. Hopefully the musical aspect of it is the interest killer I'm hoping for.

First one was/is overrated & I expect the exact same weird praise to be heaped on this load of bollocks!
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 8:40 AM
@TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan - Honestly ,the musical aspect is one of if not the most interesting aspect for me though I get it’s not for everyone.
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 9/4/2024, 8:26 AM
Joker has a strange place in my heart as a franchise I hate while having never seen it. Truly unique.
TheShellyMan
TheShellyMan - 9/4/2024, 8:31 AM
I can see the critical response to this movie is going to be divided.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/4/2024, 8:43 AM
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We're going to increasingly root for Ga-garly, as we long for Fleck to finally blossom into something he was never meant to become. In the end I am guessing the optimist will accept the outcome, creating poignant jargon to justify amusement that must be seen with squinty eyes.

While the pessimist, will give an actual account of what transpired, while gauging each scene in the most diluted manner possible, overlooking whatever nuances that may exist.

I think we'll see excellent visions of a story that could've been greater, yet is still nonetheless polarizing... type shit.

🪙 🪙
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 9/4/2024, 8:46 AM
History repeating itself.

Critics will be divided.

The public will love it.

It'll get an actors an OScar. This time it'll be Lady Ga Ga.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/4/2024, 9:06 AM
@Nomis929 - 🤔: Multiverse Thinking....

Aubrey Plaza played Harley

Lady Gaga starred in Agatha All Along...

🙄😐😳😬🤨
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 9/4/2024, 9:30 AM
@KennKathleen - LOL!!
SuperCat
SuperCat - 9/4/2024, 8:52 AM
"Movie of the year."

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Itwasme
Itwasme - 9/4/2024, 8:55 AM
The first was really dialed in to mimicking Scorsese and it worked well. Same with how TDK mimicked Michael Mann. Veering from that mimicking is where I think it might struggle. Moreso than adding music.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 8:59 AM
@Itwasme - interesting because it veering from mimicking Scorsese is one of the things that makes it feel more unique & appealing to me

I never got the Michael Mann thing with TDK (though I know Nolan used HEAT as an inspiration) but you are right once that movie does have a tight propulsive nature to it at times.
Itwasme
Itwasme - 9/4/2024, 9:02 AM
@TheVisionary25 - on TDK the cast and crew watched HEAT the night before filming started. The opening heist is literally Mann, though the rest of the film veers a little, it still sticks with that tone. Nolan's talked about it before.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/4/2024, 9:07 AM
@Itwasme - yeah

I meant besides the opening heist which definitely is inspired by his work , the rest of the film doesn’t entirely capture the feeling of his work for me though I can see what you mean aswell

Should have clarified
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