Todd Phillips Blamed For $300 Million JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Bombing; Director "Wanted Nothing To Do With DC"

Todd Phillips Blamed For $300 Million JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Bombing; Director "Wanted Nothing To Do With DC"

Joaquin Phoenix's dreams were being blamed earlier, but now it's filmmaker Todd Phillips' turn to take some accountability for Joker: Folie à Deux's failings. A new report reveals his disdain for DC...

By JoshWilding - Oct 08, 2024 12:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Source: Variety

Love or hate Joker: Folie à Deux, there's simply no getting around the fact that it's an embarrassing misfire for Warner Bros. Discovery.

A critical and commercial flop, we've now reached a point where fingers are being pointed. In Variety's latest piece, they're aimed squarely at filmmaker Todd Phillips and very much away from DC Studios. 

Noting that both James Gunn and Peter Safran were absent from the Joker sequel's premiere, it's said a "dysfunctional dynamic" behind the scenes saw Phillips decide he "wanted nothing to do with DC" during production. That allowed him to make the movie he wanted without anyone bringing up the comics or attempting to intervene. 

"If the first movie was about some down-on-his-luck, mentally ill guy in a downtrodden city, it makes maybe $150 [million] worldwide. Not a billion," one insider tells the trade. "People showed up because that guy was Joker."

While a DC spokesperson claims Gunn was busy working on Peacemaker and that Safran had bronchitis during the premiere, Phillips refused to take notes from the duo and would instead only liaise with Warner Bros.' Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy.

Gunn and Safran were on hand for the first director’s cut screening for the studio, but it appears their notes were ignored. So was Warner Bros.' for that matter; CEO David Zaslav tried to push Phillips to make the sequel for less money in London, but the filmmaker wouldn't budge on Los Angeles. As a result, the budget ballooned to $200 million before a $100 million marketing spend which takes those costs up to a whopping $300 million. Joker: Folie à Deux needs to earn $450 million to break even. 

A Warner Bros. spokesperson denies any friction and claims the studio didn't want to debut the movie at the Venice Film Festival. The trade is adamant Phillips didn't want test screenings and his rejection of the DC fanbase has only served to alienate the fans who paid to see 2019's Joker multiple times in theaters. 

"No one could get through to Todd," a source directly involved with the movie tells the trade. "And the one thing about genre stuff: If you don’t listen and pay attention to what the fan expectations are, you’re going to fail."

As things stand, Joker: Folie à Deux will be the year's biggest failure. It's not something we ever saw coming, but if Phillips has the attitude detailed here, it's also not remotely surprising. 

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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 10/8/2024, 12:13 PM
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asherman93
asherman93 - 10/8/2024, 12:14 PM
So, was this movie essentially Todd Phillips trying to pull a Springtime for Hitler?
TheyDont
TheyDont - 10/8/2024, 12:19 PM
@asherman93 - Or Matrix Resurrection
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 1:58 PM
@asherman93 - Sure sure he made it bad on purpose. Right TCronson? That was his plan.

Because he didn't want to keep getting paid to make these movies. He didn't want to do a Two-Face spin-off and a Harley Quinn spin-off and a 'The Joker' with the younger version, etc etc.

He wanted to do this forever. He failed.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/8/2024, 2:24 PM
@ObserverIO - no they're right. This was so obviously made to spite those who loved the first film. He went Wachowski.
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 10/8/2024, 12:20 PM
"Wanted Nothing To Do With DC"
Aaaand that's all it boils down to.

If you want to do something Elseworlds like this with a character, I don't care how much you deviate and do your own thing, but if you ignore the audiences connections to these characters, you're taking a big risk.

These are characters that have stood the test of time with fans for a reason, there's an audience experience that so much of Hollywood ignores when they're adapting something, if you're going to strip something to it's bare bones and rebuild it, you at least need to understand what's attracted people to it for this long and incorporate those qualities into what you're making.

Phillips took the names, left everything else on the floor, and then wonders why fans didn't connect with his story. There was absolutely no legitimate reason to make this a movie about an established character other than putting asses in seats.

JFerguson
JFerguson - 10/8/2024, 12:20 PM
Well you know what they say. A man at unease will never be a “man at ease”
SuperJefe
SuperJefe - 10/8/2024, 1:07 PM
@JFerguson - Man-at-Ease was my favorite character in Masters of the Universe.
StSteven
StSteven - 10/8/2024, 6:01 PM
@SuperJefe - Plus I pretty sure that they're endangered these days, so watch out when you out boating in FL. Oh, wait...
SuperJefe
SuperJefe - 10/8/2024, 8:17 PM
@StSteven - hahaha
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/8/2024, 12:20 PM
"People showed up because that guy was Joker."

-But he wasn't. That's just ONE of the many reasons this second movie has flopped.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 10/8/2024, 12:39 PM
@Feralwookiee - Todd Phillips to Joker is what Rob Zombie was to Michael Myers. When are these studios going to stop allowing these types to come in and completely destroy a character for the sake of being an egomaniac.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 10/8/2024, 8:13 PM
@SonOfAGif - Hey hey hey, watch your mouth, RZs Halloween was actually legit AF.
NickScryer
NickScryer - 10/8/2024, 12:21 PM
I guess studio interference can be a good thing.

thebamf
thebamf - 10/8/2024, 12:22 PM
How do you post a gif? LOL
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/8/2024, 12:26 PM
@thebamf - Usually just cut and paste the link, but delete the "s" from https.
The site seems to have trouble with gifs from giphy and imgur most times though.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/8/2024, 12:28 PM
@thebamf - I like to use tenor. The quality isn't always the best, but at least it displays it correctly on here.

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thebamf
thebamf - 10/8/2024, 12:53 PM
@Feralwookiee - Thanks for the info compadre!
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/8/2024, 1:14 PM
@Feralwookiee - this site is like MySpace lol
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/8/2024, 2:26 PM
@Feralwookiee - giphy gifs are the only ones that work for me
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/8/2024, 2:35 PM
@McMurdo - Really?
I always have problems with them. 🤔
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/8/2024, 2:35 PM
@bobevanz - Totally!
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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/8/2024, 2:37 PM
@thebamf - No problem kemosabe!
Batmangina
Batmangina - 10/8/2024, 8:24 PM
@bobevanz - User Comment Image
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/8/2024, 12:24 PM
It seems like Gunn can't get anyone to take his seriously. Both Phillips and Reeves have pretty much given him the middle finger when it comes to his opinion on their projects.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 10/8/2024, 12:33 PM
@TheJok3r - Phillips not listening to Gunn has nothing to do with taking him seriously, clearly Phillips wasn't listening to anyone. And what are you referring to about Reeves? Gunn praised The Penguin; but what opinions did he give that got the middle finger?
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/8/2024, 12:39 PM
@IAmAHoot - Do you really think Phillips would be able to pull that with someone like Nolan running things ? As for Reeves, Gunn said his projects were off limits to him and his team. Again, do you think Reeves would be able to do that if someone like Nolan was in charge ? Gunn clearly isn't a respected leader of his own studio.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 10/8/2024, 12:46 PM
@TheJok3r - How does him letting them make their movies outside of the universe he's building tell you that? He let them do their thing and make the movies they want in their own universes. He didn't want to include either of those iterations in the world he's building fresh, and neither of them wanted to join, but rather keep building the worlds they started independently. Comparing it to Nolan and his tenure is so utterly moot.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/8/2024, 1:22 PM
@IAmAHoot - I'm not talking about including them in his universe, but rather having a strong enough voice to put a stop to something that's clearly going in the wrong direction, like this Joker movie.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 10/8/2024, 1:34 PM
@TheJok3r - This level of failure was unprecedented. Prior, it was a unique and interesting direction for a one-and-done sequel to a billion dollar success, with immense talent involved in collaborating on it. And, by the way, Gunn wasn't a producer on the movie; it wasn't his job to oversee the captain on this ship.
newhire13
newhire13 - 10/8/2024, 1:49 PM
@TheJok3r - I think you’re making assumptions and saying dumb shit because YOU don’t like Gunn
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/8/2024, 1:58 PM
@newhire13 - I think he's one of the better filmmakers working on comic books, I'm just not confident in his ability to lead a studio.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 2:04 PM
@TheJok3r - This movie was not made by his studio.

This is like Simon Kinberg ignoring Kevin Feige's advice when making Dark Phoenix.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/8/2024, 2:11 PM
@ObserverIO - It was announced to be part of the "else worlds" brand when Gunn announced the future of DC. He even said that everything DC related was under his control. Simply put, he was not a strong enough leader to push for changes for something that was clearly not working.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/8/2024, 2:27 PM
@TheJok3r - you live in your own little world
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/8/2024, 2:29 PM
@ObserverIO - exactly
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/8/2024, 2:30 PM
@TheJok3r - He used it as an example of a non-canon project, he didn't announce a Joker 3.

Joker 2 was never under DC Studios.
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