Steering Batman’s Franchise!!!

Steering Batman’s Franchise!!!

If Christopher Nolan isn’t on board for the 3rd chapter, who should be?

Editorial Opinion
By Shaman - Feb 11, 2009 12:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

The day we heard from “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight’s” writer David S. Goyer that the rumours of a third movie in production were unfounded, we all wept in a certain way. The next news we were to hear from executives at WB/DC that there was to be a “lock down” of sort in their comic book movie franchise was actually worse. Not only did it say to us that there wouldn’t be a third Batman but also no other superhero adaptation that were slated for our near future.

Quickly fans rejoiced in hearing that the execs came back from their pep talk with plans for several Batman movies to come. But to me, I couldn’t help but think of what Goyer had mentioned earlier. Goyer had specifically mentioned that he spoke to Nolan and that there was just no plans for a third movie yet. Would this recent news mean that the studio will be using the same pressure tactics with Nolan than they used with Tim Burton? If so, it sure as hell doesn’t sound like good news to me. I’m sure a director of Nolan’s stature wouldn’t appreciate being pressured after not only delivering the most profitable comic book adaptation to the big screen ever made but also the second most profitable motion picture ever brought to the box office!!!

Pondering this situation further and discussing this with others, I came to the realisation that “logic” wouldn’t give us many outcomes in this matter. If Nolan sticks around for a third movie, I’m sure DC/WB hasn’t changed their minds in going on ahead with their project for a Justice League movie despite Nolan’s lack of interest. His pride behind his creation which is a “realistic” approach to Batman’s universe goes against the very concept of every other Justice Leaguer and quite frankly doesn’t or shouldn’t provide much comfort to us DCU fans. Some of you are actually seeing where I’m going with this. I get the gut feeling that we won’t like where the studio is going with this character. The first outcome from this would be for Nolan to make the third chapter of his creation which excludes the possibilities of tie-ins with the DCU and for DC/WB to “replace” Batman’s character in the JL with another member, which they didn’t want to include in the first place such as Martian Man hunter, Aqua man or maybe even Hawk man. This idea to me sounds just about god awful. It would be the same as having The Avengers without Ironman. Possible yet lacking incredibly!

The other outcome would be to have two separate Batmen. Having already three different takes on Batman is bad enough as it is so I find this option to be the worst and also the most ridiculous. Unfortunately we’re running out of answers for this dilemma which brings me to this last one. The reality is that with the stellar work he has done with TDK, Nolan really doesn’t need to come back for a third one. It would be more “realistic”, speaking of Nolan, to think that he would rather end with a “bang” than risk his very reputation. Of course this in no way means that DC/WB are stupid enough to “change” once again the style of the bat-franchise, risking yet another dreaded fiasco much like Schumacher’s version. Most likely they will try and find a promising young lad straight out of film school to do their bidding but then again… not having enough experience alone could also ruin the franchise so I started to think of what the next Batman movie could look like? Who would be involved for the cast as well as the characters? In which style would it be filmed and of course who would have the talent to not only follow in Nolan’s footsteps but to bring it to new heights that wouldn’t make it a considerable flop. The fact is that there is no chance that it could surpass TDK but depending on who is appointed at the helm, it could very well be as enjoyable and somewhat profitable.

I think it is safe to say that regardless of our own personal preferences, the majority in itself does prefer to have The Riddler be the next main antagonist. And the most favoured actor to play the role is none other than Johnny Depp. Now Depp, being one of the most versatile actors in the business, wouldn’t need any help to bring justice to this repeatedly raped role. However the way he will be filmed counts for much more than what we would want to admit. In thinking of Depp with the green outfit along with his hat and cane made me think of a scene in one of my favourite movies of all time where it was abrupt and suspenseful and the soundtrack provided such an intense atmosphere to it that it seemed perfect for this character. Of course the green lighting in the background is probably what made me remember it from the beginning but putting details aside, it felt as if this was the very “vision” that could break the 3rd chapter curse Hollywood seems so obsessed about.

And so I went researching for the director that brought us that inspiring motion picture. And when I found him on IMDB, I was shocked at all the accomplishments he was responsible for. Granted some are probably not on your all time favourite movie lists but all of them without exception, are all awe inspiring breath taking visual spectacles. As he is not responsible for the “lacking” scripts, his filming style speaks for itself and his resume is one to make his peers jealous! Here is his best work listed: Mortal Kombat, Soldier, Resident Evil, AVP, Death Race and my own personal favourite, the very picture that brought me this vision, Event Horizon!!! You have guessed it by now, I am of course talking about Paul W.S. Anderson. His style of filming is not only realistic but he has the ability to “realistically” incorporate “fantasy” smoothly in a very believable manner. This would be ideal since he would be able to keep Nolan’s realistic approach and incorporate the Justice League smoothly to co-exist in Batman’s new realistic universe. He would also be able to add more suspense and “edge of your seat” action to this franchise as it needs it to move forward. To keep the same recipe without adding a different dash of spice to it once in a while, get’s dull in the long run.

Of course by choosing someone else than Nolan, it might also convince Christian Bale NOT to return for the next chapter. It would be unfortunate but if it would be his wish, I would nominate Adrian Pasdar as the 1st contender for the cape and cowl. This time around, I think that Bruce Wayne’s half of the character shouldn’t be taken lightly and Pasdar captures Bruce’s essence naturally all while having the required “darkness” for the Dark Knight. He has proven to have talent beyond expectations in the series “Heroes”. And although Paul W.S. Anderson is slated to be a big part in the production of my upcoming “fanboy dream come true” movie adaptation of the video game titled “Castlevania”, he has handed down the director’s responsibility to his protégé Sylvain White which might give Anderson the opportunity to work on batman’s franchise. I do understand that all this sounds like sacrilege but reality’s purpose is not to give us all what we want which would be for Nolan to change his mind and adapt his vision to incorporate the DCU. To me, I think I might just have provided the best alternative. Your thoughts are more than welcomed!

Shaman

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loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/11/2009, 5:12 PM
I say give Joel Schuamcher another chance! Let the poor bastard try and redeme himself. So what if he turned the Batsuit into a fetish outfit? Who cares if everything was accented with neon? I say... oh screw it, I can't do this any more and keep a straight face! Please - ANYONE (within reason) BUT JOEL SCHUMACHER!!!!!

I'm going to hell for that bit... and Peter Stormare is going to pop me in the kiester with a pitchfork (forgive me, comic book god - I know not what I've done... LMFAO!).
Shaman
Shaman - 2/11/2009, 5:26 PM
LOL, well buddy, i'd willingly go down with you if it meant uttering your very words on the top of the highest buldings!!! Amen brother, amen!!!

Tell you the truth, Stormare is probably already firmly lodged in Schumaker's keister LOL :P You can't possibly tell me that Schumaker's going to heaven for the disgrace he made LMFAO!!!
Burns2k
Burns2k - 2/11/2009, 7:39 PM
gays only go one place mate and it aint heaven lmao /k
realfirstavenger
realfirstavenger - 2/11/2009, 9:30 PM
homophobes suck dude

and i really like this casting pic for Batman btw Shaman
seen it in a couple of your articles and have to say its a good choice.
but no schumacher
Nolan all the way
Batzarrowwd
Batzarrowwd - 2/11/2009, 9:35 PM
Yeah, Paul Anderson. Are you being silly? I'm not one of those diehard Dark Knight suckups that had they're eyes sewn because "we ain't gonna see anything better than TDK, EVER", but Paul Anderson seems like a pretty poor choice. I enjoyed his movies for what they where, but he hasn't done anything better than average since Event Horizon. Aliens vs Predator was especially underwhelming, since it was two classic franchise, and NEITHER utilized properly.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/11/2009, 10:14 PM
hes prob a religious nut to have that opinion, i wouldnt get into it or wel have pagerage like back in the Gay Superhero days!

Shaman if those are some of Andersons better movies id hate to see his bad ones! But seriously i guess he does have good visuals in his movies but thats about it, i have enjoyed a couple of his films but i really think he would make a Batman movie all style over substance..i mean anyone that can mess up a rock solid concept like AVP must be doing something wrong!

But iv always agreed Pasadar would be a great Bats..speaking of which, anyone been watching Heroes? What the hell happened to that show!
agentend
agentend - 2/12/2009, 1:08 AM
Jesus shaman you like to type. Well......I say Joss Whedon. I know...I know. He's more t.v. I'm still throwing it out there. The Firefly series was excellent, and the movie Serenity is already a cult classic. He has proven his directing chops. I believe that he has the vision to carry on where Nolan would leave off. He is a fan of comics and would not want to let fans down and or ruin a great franchise like batman, not under his belt. He's a good director, with obviouse talent. I personally think that he would make atleast a fine canidate to take over. Now..........let the bashing begin.......I can take it.
Shaman
Shaman - 2/12/2009, 6:17 AM
Actually agentend, i couldn't possibly bash you on that one because Whedon is a very talented director. Not only that but as for "visionnary film makers" go, he's very much along the lines of "style" with Paul W.S. Anderson. The similarities are there weither we want to admit it or not.

Batzarrowwd and Roar, i do get your points guys. BUT and it is a very huge "but", you guys pretty much poved MY point here LMAO!!! You guys said it yourselves:

"I enjoyed his movies for what they where" and...

"But seriously i guess he does have good visuals in his movies but thats about it, i have enjoyed a couple of his films but i really think he would make a Batman movie all style over substance".

If you guys were able to "apreciate" the "visual feel" of those movies and the action and suspence in them, then he did a STELLAR job with the "shitty" scripts he was given! "Style" is the director's responsibility while "substance" is the writer's responsibility. If you guys would've gotten your hands on those scripts first hand, you guys would've said "this is total and utter SHIT!". But the BOTTOM LINE is you still ENJOYED them. That, in my opinion, is what i would call "a job well done". Even more so because he has the innate and incredibly rare talent to "Polish a turd"!!! Now just imagine what he could do with Goyer's script!!!!!!

It is also the same thing that happenned with Singer on Superman Returns and i know for a fact that you agree with me on this one Roar. Singer was labelled a "Bad Director" for this movie when he was in reality just a "Bad ScreenWriter". His SCRIPT is what sucked. He was even able to make that SACRILEGE he called a "script" visually entertaining. Now you guys gotta admit that that is pure talent. So writing isn't his bag'o nuts. It doesn't take anything away from his undisputed directing talents.

It's a shame that the majority will always blame the "goalie" for a hockey team's loss. But the reality is that if the puck always got in his face all along the game, the rest of the team really didn't do they're job. Making a movie is a team effort. Paul W.S. Anderson has proven on every occasion that he is a "team" player with the talent of ten. But him alone wouldn't be able to make AVP a reference of stellar stature in the movie industry.

You guys also have to face the reality which is making you say "no" because Nolan is still a "maybe" until publicly anounced. If Nolan would've already said "No", we'd be debating over who would be the best follow up instead of pretty much finding anybody else "inadequate". I find it's better to prepare ourselfs for that eventuality. And if on account of a miracle Nolan decided to stick around well it would just be an amazingly pleasant surprise now wouldn't it? :))
CRUSH
CRUSH - 2/12/2009, 7:08 AM
Bring back Tim Burton for 2 more movies.
Shaman
Shaman - 2/12/2009, 7:34 AM
If only t'were possible Crush, if only :))
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/12/2009, 7:47 AM
Nah Burton would turn Nolans world back into a goths wet dream again!

But your forgetting another thing a director should do Shaman and thats coax good performances from his actors! A bad script is one thing, but a good director will always accentuate the positives and hide the negatives..Anderson just throws visuals at everything regardless with no pauses for character beats or development..thats nothing to do with a bad script thats all the man in charges decision. Yes i have enjoyed a few of his movies, but i enjoy a Mcdonalds from time to time too..but i prefer steak!..knaaaaaaawiramean?
agentend
agentend - 2/12/2009, 8:08 AM
As for someone to take over the cape crusader, if Bale is out..................Josh Hartnet????? Maybe, maybe. To keep with the theme of batman in his late 20's earily 30's like Bale. He might be able to pull it off.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 8:14 AM
I've got to agree with Rorschach - Burton was good FOR HIS TIME, but tastes have evolved beyond the 'uber-goth' look of his films. If I may, I'd like to recommend the following directors (from the following franchises) for consideration:

007 - Bond (New):
Martin Campbell - 'Casino Royale'
Marc Fisher - 'Quantum of Solace'

Jason Bourne:
Doug Liman - 'Bourne Identity'
Paul Greengrass - 'Bourne Supremacy' & 'Bourne Ultimatum'

Today's Bat calls for hyper-realistic view of the world, an total understanding of plot developement in relation to movie pace, and the action/timing skills of someone TOTALLY experienced with martial arts films. All these director have demostrated these skills in the afore-mentioned films.
realfirstavenger
realfirstavenger - 2/12/2009, 8:37 AM
never offer up josh hartnet as batman ever again please :)
as much as he is a talented actor, he is not Bruce Wayne, let alone Bats

to comment on the Joss Whedon idea, I am probably one of his biggest fans and Serenity was a masterpeice. Not too sure on how he would do continueing in the vein of the darker batman movies, I think he would be better suited writing/directing movies like Wonder Woman (which his script was turned down I beleive, stupid execs) or the flash with his patented witty banter. The new Batman franchise is just too epic and intese for Mr. Whedon I beleive. Not saying he couldnt make an excellent Batman movie, but to continue in the series I wouldnt pick him.

did anyone else find Quantum of Solace a good action movie but a poor James Bond movie. Cause i felt like there was no suave like the good old days of Mr. Conery (who is the by far the best bond). The action sequences were amazing and the opening 10 minutes in the theatres had me on the edge of my seat but it lacked that sophistication and 'spy-ness' for lack of a better world.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 8:52 AM
That's because 'Quantum' (and 'Casino') were the 'making of' Bond as we know him. It's beta-test 007 - before the finished product is released. Everything you've seen so far is leading up to 'Dr. No'. He's still rough around the edges and still learning his way 'round the whole 'cool and sophisticaed' thing. Hell, the didn't even (re)introduce his standard 'vodka martini, shaken not stirred' until the end of the film!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/12/2009, 8:54 AM
i found quantum of solace to be shit! ah that might be a bit harsh but it was very dissapointing after casino royale which is actually the only bond movie i ever enjoyed!..i like Greengrass though, id say he could do a decent job on Bats.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 9:05 AM
To each their own, Ror. I will admit, there were a few sticking points I had with the film - but that was more in the adaptaion of the original source material and how they tried to work it into the modern world. It was a risk to take the character into territory he'd never been in before, but I think they pulled it off adequately. I'm glad at least we're in agreement on 'Casino'.
Shaman
Shaman - 2/12/2009, 9:05 AM
Roar, as for coaxing good performances, you can bring a horse to the river but you can't force him to drink...knaaaaaaawiramean? And here are in my opinion great performances from his films (above mentionned):

Mortal Kombat- Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa
Event Horizon- Every single one (specially Jason Isaacs)
Soldier- Kurt Russell, Jason Isaacs, Jason Scott Lee
Resident Evil- Milla Jovovich (the rest were meh...)
AVP- Lance Henriksen (need i say more)
Death Race- Statham (usual performance), Joan Allen and Ian McShane

Looking at all these, it ain't that bad of a track reccord. The cast is also part of the team Roar, it ain't always the fault of the coach either. Players all have their own responsibility in the out come of the finished product. And casting is also no fault of the director's. A man's gotta work with what he's dealt. As you stated, a big mac's good but can't be coaxed to become "great".

agentend- I'll have to agree with FirstAv here. I really hate Hartnett with a passion. And there's just nothing about him that actually says "batman", ya know? And no matter how much make up you put on him, he'll never look to be in the same age range as Bale. He looked stupid in Sin City. Like a teen in a tux.

Ooh loganoneil, very fine additions :) For a "realistic" view with a dash of "martial arts" spice, they'd be awesome but none of them really portray the "grittyness" needed for Batman's side of the story. And yes, even though i did enjoy Tim Burton, i'll have to agree with the majority and say that it would be a "gritty-goth" overload which would be decieving since we have evolved.

Sony's version of Bond = Not "Bond" but damn entertaining.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 9:23 AM
Shaman - c'mon, sprinkle a little gravel on Doug Liman's Jason Bourne and you've got 'GRITTY'! Now all you have to do is dim the lights for 'DARK'...
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 9:26 AM
...'REALISITIC' martial arts spice, not that 'Keysi' bullsh!t they've been trying to peddle in the past two Batman films!
TheDevilsRightHandMan
TheDevilsRightHandMan - 2/12/2009, 9:33 AM
Hey Shaman, Adrian Pasdar is an excellent choice. Something about the guy just screams BRUCE WAYNE. They should at least screen test him.

And as for the director, Zack Snyder anybody?
Shaman
Shaman - 2/12/2009, 9:59 AM
Okay loganoneil, i'll conciede. They have the chops, they just might know how to make a "gritty" movie even though they haven't yet LOL Good choices :))

Thanks Devil's, greatly appreciated :) And OF COURSE i'd love Snyder to helm Batman but i felt that the "squid" fiasco wouldn't win me any points. I still prefer Anderson but DAMN Snyder would do an amazing job!!!
CRUSH
CRUSH - 2/12/2009, 2:03 PM
They should make Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns,
I'm not saying that they need to make this next or right away but DC/WB need's to make TDKR some day.
If you've never read The Dark Knight Returns it tells the story of Batman's efforts to save a city in chaos after nearly a decade's absence.

The Dark Knight Returns:

- Written by Frank Miller
- Co-Directed by Zack Snyder & Frank Miller
- Batman/Bruce Wayne - Bruce Willis
- Commissioner Gordon - Clint Eastwood
- Robin - Scarlett Johansson
- The Joker - Viggo Mortensen
- Two Face - Clive Owens
- The Leader of The Mutants - Nathan Jones
- SuperMan - James Caviezel (for Shaman)

With both Snyder & Miller making TDKR it could have a very distinct look to it like "300" or "Sin City" I'm not saying do the whole movie in front of a green screen, more like 75% on set/location & 25% green screen(mix it in throughout the movie). Do the movie in color except for scenes like: when Superman stops the nuclear war-head & when Bats beat's the shit out of the Mutants Leader, then have those parts look like 'sin city', just certain colors(Black,White,Blue,Red & Yellow).....I'm sure you guys hate this idea, hahaha.

-Zing
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 2:18 PM
CRUSH - Bruce Willis? uh, isn't he a little too, (oh-how-shall-I-put-this?) "rough" around the edges (and soft in the middle) to be Bruce Wayne (even the future Bruce of the DKR world)? Sure, Bruce is old(er), but he's still pretty @#$!-ing ripped! And Scarlett (while very attractive) is a bit OLD to play Carrie (she's in junior high, or pretty close to it). As for the Commish, why couldn't you just keep Oldman? He's the spitting image of Gordon, all you need is a little old age stipple.

Much as I love Frank as a writer, I think he's a one-trick-pony as far a a director is concerned. I don't know about everybody else, but I'm getting PRETTY tired of the 'film-noir' look that he's doing with ALL of his films. And let's face it, having Rodriguez as a mentor really doesn't put my mind at rest that he's learned all he needs to know to be a director (even WITH someone else looking over his shoulder!)
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/12/2009, 3:53 PM
Crush i would kill to see a movie of TDKR..lets hope.

But yeah as much as i would like to see ol Scarlett busting out of that Robin outfit, Carries only sposed to be 14! I think Willis would be a great tdkr Batman, check him out in Sin City..practically the same character!

NoobMike
NoobMike - 2/12/2009, 4:49 PM
Shaman, I'm surprised you didn't cast your cool buddy Snyder to direct Batman, mmm maybe there's no comic book to trace his storyboards from or maybe you don't want 40% of the movie to be Batman in slo-mo.

As far as Doug Liman as director, don't know I find his movies to be extremely shaky for my taste, I usually walk out dizzy form his shaky camera.

Anderson, it would probably be a popcorn movie, probably like death race, you get excited when seeing it but you have forgotten about it 4 hours after you walk out of the theater.

I'd love to see what DelToro would do with it, but I seriously doubt it will happen (Nolan would probably be free sooner than DelToro). Could be one of his apprentices, maybe Juan Antonio Bayona (did a pretty good job with the orphanage, except for the ending).

Burton suffers from the same thing that Death suffers, most goths and emos have adopted him as their father. I think it would be cool, but he'd return to a campier Batman (remember the penguins walking through Gotham?).

If it was up to me I'd give the franchise to..... Chan-wook Park, his movies are awesome, Oldboy, Lady Vengeance and Sympathy for Mr.Vengeance (his vengeance trilogy) are dark, gritty and although based on the real world have a nightmarish feel which I loved and which I think is perfect for Batman. I want new blood injected in Hollywood, damn it. And by new blood I don't mean what they did with quarantine, have you guys seen it? have you guys seen Rec? (the spanish movie which they shamefully copied) I mean it is just awful, same camera angles, same lighting, practically same set.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/12/2009, 5:54 PM
Noob - I have a problem with your suggestion of Del Toro simply because his style is best suited for fantasy (which is why I'm tickled pink that he's picking up where Jackson left off with 'The Hobbit'). Also, Burton IS NOT goth! He (and many emo kids under the age of 15 might think he is, but DARK he is not!

Chan-Wook Park, hmmmmm.... I am VERY familiar with his stuff - a VERY interesting selection... You know, I could see that!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/12/2009, 6:42 PM
Jeasus Noob, I would wait 10 years to see what Park did with Batman!..although he would take it into places even Millers Batmarv never went..imagine the audience watching with Horror as Batman eats a live penguin, before screwing his own daughter and cutting his tongue out!
NoobMike
NoobMike - 2/12/2009, 6:43 PM
I'm possitive that DelToro won't happen, but I'd love to see what he could do and how he'd adapt Batman, even thought I know that he's more phantasy oriented, just that I think it would be fun as a sort of experiment, with the huge economic expectations raised for Batman it will never happen.

As for Chan-Wook Park, that would rule, I'm positive he would bring a whole new take on Batman, although he'd make it a different kind of dark than Nolan did.

Burton, he's a cartoon kind of dark. Although dark, the cartoon makes it cute and it ends up being campy. I mean I loved his take on Batman but when you think about it, he did make it sort of cartoony, closer to the animated series than to Nolan's take.
loganoneil
loganoneil - 2/13/2009, 6:37 AM
Noob, you might want to check the dates - the original animated sieries was based partially off of Burton's original work...
NoobMike
NoobMike - 2/13/2009, 6:57 AM
lol, I'm not saying he based it off of it, just that he used the same sort of feel for it (just like I know he didn't base it of off Nolan's), and I'm not complaining but going back to Burton is sort of like making Superman comics today with storylines from the 50s, they worked fine then and are quite enjoyable but audiences today expect something completely different.

It's no wonder that Burton has that cartoon feel to everything he does, since he did study animation and his first job was a very short run on disney.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/13/2009, 7:38 AM
Guys as much as i loved Burtons movies as a kid and for a long time after, i watched them recently and they have not held up well! Seriously there are actually groan inducing moments (the whole last 20 mins of Batman in the church tower uugggh, the penguins running aroung with james bond style bombs on ther little heads in Returns)
Shaman
Shaman - 2/13/2009, 10:37 AM
Well i know honestly jack shit about Chan-Wook Park. Never seen a damn thing even remotely related to him. Oh what a disapointment am i. Oh well, though shit.

I like how Burton directs and envisions but i'm wondering if he'd be able to pop out of his "bubble" and make something as down to earth as what Nolan made Batman out to be. It would be kinda cool to see him try.

And Crush, actually, that's your best cast yet! I wouldn't change a damn thing from it. BUT i don't think that movie is ever gonna happen. Not with where DC wants to take the franchise. Going the "watchmen" route with Batman is not exactly keeping in with the spirit of their most anticipated project, JLA.

For the same reason as why i don't think DC will ever offer it to Del Toro Noob. But i do agree that it would be damn cool to see his version.
CRUSH
CRUSH - 2/13/2009, 11:25 AM
Yo guy's sorry for starting that whole "Burton" fiasco, I was more or less just jokin' when I said "Bring back Tim Burton for 2 more movies" but in his defence I doubt if he had another chance at doing 'Batman' he wouldnt do the cheesy shit he did back in '89 & '92, -like no penguin's with missles on their heads, His last few movies were supposed to be cheesy "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" & "Sweeney Todd" also back in the late 80's n' early 90's they were still testing the waters with comicbook movies, he knows now its the "realistic route" to take....but still if Burton did take another crack at Bats it's safe to say that Depp would be in it for sure(probibly as Bats himself,lol) & Helena Bonham Carter would wind up being Catwoman...trust me I don't want to see that flick hahaha.

a list of good Director's that haven't been mentioned yet, that could take on the Batman franchise:

- I already commented before saying the duo of Snyder & Miller is my pick but now I'm saying a bat-trilogy using Miller's "Year One,The Dark Knight Returns & TDK Strikes back" lol, that's just me.

- John Woo
- James Cameron
- Steve Barron (the first TMNT 1990)
- Michael Mann
- Baz Luhrmann
- Danny Boyle
- Alex Proyas
- David Cronenberg
- The Coen Brothers
- F. Gary Gray
- Ridley Scott
- Steven Soderbergh
- J.J. Abrams

Who would you want to see take over on this list ???
CRUSH
CRUSH - 2/13/2009, 11:50 AM
& Guys we always say that some stuff just dosen't translate good from comic to the big screen right ?? well that would be one of the reasons why I picked Scarlett Johansson as Robin...I mean I just wouldn't want to see a 50-something Batman running around with a 14 yearold girl (thats [frick]ed up) thats a change I can live with, lol, change her to a 20-something (big deal)...plus I can see Scar-Jo with the Orange hair & crazy 80's glasses...in that lil' Robin outfit (yum) seriosly though she's a decent actor that could pull off a believable Robin.
IMO Bruce Willis is a f'n dope pick for a beat-up Bruce Wayne...imo
as for Eastwood as Gordon....loganoneil I love Oldman & your right he is the best commish. but I think Eastwood would have to be Gordon in a TDKR movie, Even with make-up Oldman wouldn't look right with Willis...Eastwood's
face looks like he's lived a long Police officer's life & he's twice the actor, plus Clint looks more like an "Old Man" then Oldman,lol, but like I said Oldman is an F'n awesome actor & IS commish.Gordon.
also loganoneil I wasn't saying Frank Miller should Direct the whole thing, just kinda help Snyder(like how he did in sin city)...I mean since he did write TDKR.
Shaman
Shaman - 2/13/2009, 3:22 PM
Actually crush, johansson was probably you're best pic! Putting aside the "age" detail (i hate the idea of a 14 year old girl anyway), she has the perfect physique and facial atributes for that role. When i read it, i went "daaaaaaammmnn", she's perfect for it. of course it wouldn't be her most attractive role but she fits like a glove. And i also very much like ol'gran torino for the commish. That's a good call :) As for your list of directors, i'll have to get back to ya.
Retribution13
Retribution13 - 2/14/2009, 11:40 AM
[frick] anderson! he ruined resident evil that bastard!!!! yeah tell him to burn in he-
NoobMike
NoobMike - 2/14/2009, 4:23 PM
Shaman... go and rent any of the three movies I said by Park. You should find it easy enough to find Oldboy since that is famous enough.

Quick reply to some of crushs directors, no coen brothers (they'd probably cast Frances Mcdormand for Barbara Gordon and make her be batgirl in costume). Danny Boyle, could be interesting, and thank you but no John Woo for me, suffers form the same thing that Anderson suffers. As for the rest I seriously don't know.

Now I'll go and get my well deserved beers.
MrYetti
MrYetti - 2/15/2009, 9:47 PM
Okay -

All of you have excellent ideas and suggestions, but I have to throw my hat into the ring on this one, as it just came to me in a flash of light who could create a brilliant third bat-flick in the same tradition of storytelling and direction of Nolan.......

David Fincher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not familiar? Think of the following . . . . .

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008)
Zodiac (2007/I)
Panic Room (2002)
Fight Club (1999)
The Game (1997)
Se7en (1995)
Alien³ (1992)

The onlyone of these flicks I haven't yet seen is Benjamin Button, but I can vouch for the rest - the guy is a genius, and has an affinity for green lighting in his direction style. Why does that matter? Most of the group consensus calls for a Riddler storyline. Green costume, green lighting. Also, I have often compared some of Fincher's storytelling to the way Stanley Kubrick told stories. And when I think of a Riddler storyline, I think of a homicidal megalomaniacal genius, i.e. - the main character from A Clockwork Orange. Anyway, give Fincher a decent script, a willing band of actors, and a favorable budget, and I believe we could have something not only as good as TDK, but possibly even better.
Shaman
Shaman - 2/16/2009, 7:09 AM
Beautifull pic Yetti :)) I think he'd do a bang-up job actually!

I'l give him a shot Noob :) What would you compare his work to???

Retribution13- You have a good point but he only screwed up the script just like Singer did with SR. He filmed it beautifully though. I felt it might not have been an accurate adaptation but it still was a highly enjoyable intensily suspenseful ride! I still love to re-watch that movie once in a while :)

As for your list Crush, here we go:

J.J. Abrams- too tv oriented. So he's a maybe. MI3 was meh.
Steven Soderbergh- Eehh.. NO, He'd put Clooney back
Ridley Scott- Would never settle to stick with Nolan's work. And neither would David Cronenberg, James Cameron or John Woo for that matter.
F. Gary Gray- Well if Batman ever wanted to make a rap video...
Alex Proyas- That would actually be very interesting to see!
Danny Boyle- I doubt he could capture Nolan's vision. Or the essence of the characters involved.
Baz Luhrmann- Maybe...
Michael Mann- Oooh, also interesting.
Steve Barron- Yea-NO!!! Never in a million years.

So i'd give a shot to Mann and Proyas. They could be very interesting :)
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