THE BATMAN Star Paul Dano Talks "Superhero Fatigue" And What Made Matt Reeves' DC Movie Different

THE BATMAN Star Paul Dano Talks "Superhero Fatigue" And What Made Matt Reeves' DC Movie Different

The Batman star Paul Dano has shared a very compelling take on the problem with superhero movies and apparent audience fatigue. The Riddler actor also explains what made the 2022 blockbuster different.

By JoshWilding - Mar 04, 2024 05:03 AM EST
Filed Under: The Batman
Source: The Independent

Paul Dano was an unexpected choice of actor to play The Riddler in 2022's The Batman, but proved himself more than capable of putting a creepy new spin on the villain. This version ditched the colourful green suit and was instead portrayed as a ruthless and unhinged serial killer. 

Talking to The Independent to promote his role in Netflix's Spaceman, Dano was asked to share his thoughts on perceived "superhero fatigue" in the wake of movies like The Flash, The Marvels, and Madame Web underperforming at the box office.

"It’s an interesting moment where everybody has to go like, 'OK - what now?' Hopefully from that, somebody either breathes new life into [comic book movies], or something else blossoms which is not superheroes," the actor said. "I’m sure there will still be some good ones yet to come, but I think it’s kind of a welcome moment."

"It’s a larger thing, too. As soon as the word 'content' came into what we do - meaning making movies or TV - it meant quantity over quality, which I think was a big misstep. And I certainly don’t need that as a viewer or as an artist."

Dano has summed up the situation perfectly as that's exactly the issue Marvel Studios has faced. Sony Pictures and Warner Bros. making disappointing superhero movies has become the norm in recent years, but the MCU's struggles began as soon as Kevin Feige was tasked with developing all those Disney+ TV shows.

As for why he believes The Batman found critical and commercial success, Dano added, "There are enough comic book movies where you just know what you’re gonna get. Reading the script for The Batman, you knew it was a real film. Every sentence...that’s just [writer/director] Matt Reeves."

Marvel Studios has gone back to the drawing board with the MCU after a rocky few years, while DC Studios plans to relaunch the DC Universe beginning with Creature Commandos and SUPERMAN

As for Sony, Madame Web bombed, and next up are Kraven the Hunter and Venom 3

Talking to us in 2022, Dano said this about what drew him to the role of The Riddler. "Matt laid out a beautiful script, but a great challenge as well. The first conversation he and I had were about hero and villain and the two sides of trauma. I think that was really the seed from which everything else grew."

"You can’t just jump to the villain part of the madness. Taking it from there and slowly building his past to page one and how that gets you there and who he was without the mask and what the mask allows him to be."

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Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 3/4/2024, 5:39 AM
Unpopular opinion, but The Batman was a flavorless movie and people really ought to realize the true MVP of that whole project: Greig Fraser with his amazing skills as a Cinematographer.

A great composer or a great cinematographer really CAN make a difference.

Dude knocked it outta the park once again in Dune 2.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 3/4/2024, 5:45 AM
@Doomsday8888 - Flavorless is the perfect word. I've also used 'bland' and 'been-there-done-that' as a description.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/4/2024, 5:47 AM
@Doomsday8888 - can't disagree, tho I would say that the flavor was different and welcome, rather than non existent. We got Batman the detective but he was a shit detective
theBlackSquare
theBlackSquare - 3/4/2024, 5:51 AM
@ProfessorWhy - He was so shit! Thank you! You're telling me there's no carpets in Wayne manor?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 3/4/2024, 5:54 AM
@ProfessorWhy -

"You let 5 people die. Then you let Dent take your place...Even to a guy like me, that's cold"

Kind of a recurring theme when it comes to his detective skills on film.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 3/4/2024, 5:55 AM
@theBlackSquare - no carpets in Wayne manor?

lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 3/4/2024, 5:44 AM
That's just it; "The Batman wasn't anything new or different. With the DK Trilogy being just as grounded but paced way better, and BTAS with a plethora of Batman Animated Movies, yes ... The Batman was nothing different or special.

"It’s an interesting moment where everybody has to go like, 'OK - what now?' Hopefully from that, somebody either breathes new life into [comic book movies], or something else blossoms which is not superheroes," the actor said. "I’m sure there will still be some good ones yet to come, but I think it’s kind of a welcome moment."

Basically admits in that quote that SH fatigue is becoming a real thing and will stick around unless someone does something so unique/breathes new life in the genre or the genre will soon be replaced by something else.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 3/4/2024, 6:06 AM
The only thing I liked about the Batmeh was the tone, the dialogue started out as very rough especially with the cops then it just just okay. The story was under cooked, it felt like half a film but dragged out into almost 2. His Riddler went from interesting to incel to CW villain. Unless they get new writers it just feels like were gonna get more or less the same with more Selina this time with the studio exec's insistence. The most entertaining thing that came from it all was still that first trailer.
bl0odwerk
bl0odwerk - 3/4/2024, 6:08 AM
This dude gets it. Disney is making shit just to make money, not to tell any kind of meaningful stories. "Content".
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/4/2024, 6:12 AM
That’s certainly a fair response imo.

I do always get annoyed by the “real film” comments but I get that he’s saying it was a true singular vision from the filmmaker rather then as opposed to many people collaboratively making something (which is what Marvel usually tends to do which I don’t think is necessarily bad either).

Anyway , dude got a little too over the top for my tastes at times but overall he did well as that version of The Riddler in The Batman..

He was effectively creepy and I liked making him a dark mirror to Bruce aswell.

Forthas
Forthas - 3/4/2024, 6:55 AM
The Batman was a critical and commercial success because it followed the blueprint that Christopher Nolan established in 2005 with Batman Begins. Every film that has followed that blueprint - The Dark Knight Trilogy, Man of Steel, Joker, and The Batman - have all made money for Warner Brothers specifically. But for reasons that defy any common sense or semblance of logic, a studio like Warner Brothers hires and allows hack directors like Zack Snyder and James Gunn to go wild with their fantastical and whimsical approach to super-hero films that does not take the genre seriously and wants to overlay what should be relatable stories with films that overtly tries to appeal to laughter and morbidity instead of telling grounded stories. This as much as anything is why Warner Brothers find itself at a point where its fans have generally abandoned it.

The Batman was a very good film but not a great one. The resources for that film would have been better served expanding the Dark Knight universe that Nolan already established not very long before so for example making it a story about Red Hood as opposed to Batman. So now instead of elevating a new character for the DC universe and building off the success of the Dark Knight films, The Batman is just going to be compared to Nolan’s effort and is rightfully seen as an inferior version. This kind of decision making is why this studio fails and fails again!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/4/2024, 11:46 AM
@Forthas - think Snyder did have that style, but leaned into the dark and gritty way too hard.

As for Gunn, I get why they hired him. His more style works better in the long run I think, as I don't see a universe build around dark & gritty
Forthas
Forthas - 3/4/2024, 12:13 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Snyder's sytle is "dark and gritty" but that is NOT Nolan's style. Nolans style is "grounded." There is a difference that people confuse.

The Nolan Batman films or Man of Steel are NOT dark in tone. Batman in those films is s symbol of hope for a better Gotham City. Same with Superman in man of Steel. In Snyder’s Batman v Superman, there is no hope...Doomsday kills Superman, Batman is not so nice and Wonder Woman tells us she has not helped humanity for a century.

Snyder’s films are NOT grounded. The inclusion of Doomsday, and the intricate calculations of Lex Luthor to the point he knows exactly how Batman and Superman would react to his prompts is so ridiculous it defies any explanation. that is not to say anything fantastic cannot be in a grounded film. it can but it needs to be explained in a grounded way. So Superman is a possibility based on the fact the film outlines why it is possible whereas a film that leans into the fantastic does not care about explanation. How does Lex Luthor know how to prompt Superman and Batman to the point he can manipulate them....where does Wonder Woman get her powers from? .... Where has Aquaman been all this time? Snyder does not care about those questions. he just introduces fantastic elements and has nothing to say about it. that is different from all of the other grounded films I listed.
Forthas
Forthas - 3/4/2024, 12:19 PM
@bkmeijer1 - James Gunn style of film making is UNSUSTAINABLE! Look at Aquaman Lost Kingdom, Thor love and Thunder, The Suicide Squad, Shazam Fury of the Gods, and Blue Beetle. Grounded DC films have never lost money for Warner Brothers. When they have resorted to comedy (which is what Gunn is known for) they lose money. The proof is in the box office numbers and are undeniable.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/4/2024, 2:33 PM
@Forthas - if Nolan and Snyder aren't comparable, than neither is Gunn's style with that of Aquaman, Thor, Shazam and Blue Beetle. Some beats might be similar.

I definitely agree Snyder makes no sense though. He just wants to introduce cool ideas, but is incapable of building them up. Lex' plan that relied on too many chance factors, but also Army of the Dead and Rebel Moon are proof of that.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/4/2024, 7:25 AM
@GhostDog - ehh , I think that’s a bit simplistic

I feel there is a bigger conversation to have considering something like The Marvels didn’t do well at the Box office but is doing well on streaming and being positively received by people too
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2024, 7:28 AM
@TheVisionary25 - yea I was a little too simplistic with that first comment. It’s more-so about intention.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2024, 7:27 AM
It’s all about intent and effort. Not just with superhero films but any blockbuster (or any film for that matter). He’s right about how the word content twisted things though. It made movies feel more like a product. Which they are but approaching them that way dilutes it all.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 3/4/2024, 7:39 AM
The Batman bored the sh*t out of me.
The whole flood sequence felt like it was thrown on the last minute because it needed some action beats.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 3/4/2024, 11:15 AM
@S8R8M -

Exactly! I don’t know how people can make it through the whole movie, the movie needed more action but the good kind ! Not the final battle kind, the choreography was very sloppy

Nolan might had not fared any better in that department but the story and sense of intensity made up for the bad choreography.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 3/4/2024, 11:29 AM
@MisterDoctor217 - Once was enough for me. If I can't sleep, I will put it on to get some zzzzzz's.
GodHercules20
GodHercules20 - 3/4/2024, 8:09 AM
How hard is it to make a Batman movie similar to this. No anime shit and oscar bait realistic crap. If you make a movie like this, you can keep it comicbooky and don't have to show actor's face every time.

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GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 3/4/2024, 9:27 AM
@GodHercules20 - Exactly! Or like this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/7yrHUxX7jLs?si=1MUtqRO_MGGa2q1W
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 3/4/2024, 11:23 AM
@GodHercules20 -

Dude yes !! That’s what I’ve been saying all along!! We need a Batman movie in the vein of the Arkham games !! Serious in tone but with that comic booky goodness!
Genuinely hope we do get something like this in our lifetime
zeon00
zeon00 - 3/4/2024, 1:24 PM
@GodHercules20 - anime could be great
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/4/2024, 8:53 AM
People are really turning on The Batman on this site💁




It's a great film. What happened to y'all? You loved it when it first came out💁
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 3/4/2024, 11:25 AM
@AmazingFILMporg -

I never did , I liked it when I saw in theaters but when I tried to watch it again at home , it bored me a lot.

But I refrained from sharing my thoughts lol
soberchimera
soberchimera - 3/4/2024, 9:36 AM
I think it's more "shared universe fatigue" than "superhero fatigue", WB, Disney, and Sony are going all in on shared universes when Barbie, Oppenheimer, and now Dune: Part II have proven that audiences don't want to watch 30 interconnected movies of varying quality and want standalone features.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/4/2024, 11:47 AM
@soberchimera - good point. Everything's connected, and that's just hard to keep up it. And that in turn makes it easier to tap out, which I think is happening too
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/4/2024, 1:04 PM
@soberchimera - If anything those movies prove that people want more sand in their movies. They all have sand in them. Neveda desert in Oppy, beaches in Barbie and a whole planet of sand in Dune.
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