THE BATMAN: Kevin Smith Says The Movie Will Be Based On Classic Storyline "The Long Halloween"

THE BATMAN: Kevin Smith Says The Movie Will Be Based On Classic Storyline "The Long Halloween"

We know that The Batman will focus on the Caped Crusader's detective skills but a source close to Kevin Smith has reportedly told him that Matt Reeves is basing the movie on "The Long Halloween."

By JoshWilding - Sep 14, 2019 01:09 AM EST
Filed Under: The Batman
Source: Fatman Beyond Podcast
We've been hearing reports for a while now that The Batman will explain why the Dark Knight is known as the World's Greatest Detective. Last weekend, a rumour started doing the rounds that the hero will come face to face with members of his Rogues Gallery as he investigates a series of murders in Gotham City. 

During the latest episode of the Fatman Beyond Podcast, Kevin Smith's co-host Marc Bernardin addressed reports that the movie will adapt "The Long Halloween," to which Smith responded: "To be fair, I heard it to, and I heard it from a good source too."

Written by Jeph Loeb with artwork by Tim Sale, the story was set during the early days of Batman's crimefighting career and revolved around a killer who only strikes on holidays. Taking place over a year, it was full of twists and turns and featured many of Batman's most iconic foes. While this probably won't be a straightforward adaptation, there's a lot for Reeves to take inspiration from. 

If The Batman is indeed based on "The Long Halloween," then it wouldn't be at all surprising if we get a casting announcement for the movie's villains next month to coincide with that holiday.

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The Villains We Know About

Firefly

Firefly-1


A few different people have held the "Firefly" mantle over the years, but common sense says it will be Garfield Lynns we see in The Batman. A former special effects expert who became obsessed with flames and starting fires, he's definitely in the minor leagues when it comes to the Dark Knight's villains but there's still a lot of potential here. 

After all, the sight of Batman fighting him as they're both surrounded by flames would be something very unique from a visual standpoint. According to the casting call doing the rounds, Reeves wants a male actor between the ages of 20 and 30 of any ethnicity, and we can safely assume that he'll be a henchmen or someone Batman quickly deals with. 
 

The Riddler

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The Riddler is reportedly The Batman's main villain, and considering we've heard so much about this movie finally making use of the hero's detective skills, it's hard to think of anyone better to fill that role. After all, while we'll no doubt get plenty of action, someone like Edward Nygma gives us the opportunity to really see how smart the Caped Crusader is. 

Reeves has spent a long time on the screenplay, so that hopefully means we're getting a story full of twists and turns and a big Hush-style surprise that'll tie everything together in a shocking way. Once again, Reeves is said to be looking for an actor of any ethnicity, this time between the ages of 30 and 40, and there are a lot of suggestions already doing the rounds among fans. 
 

Mad Hatter

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The inclusion of Mad Hatter is definitely unexpected, but he has a lot of history with the Dark Knight - even if he'll never be up there with the likes of The Riddler and The Joker. Jervis Tetch is obsessed with Alice in Wonderland and bases his crimes on the novel. That could fit nicely into this detective story, but will Reeves head down the route of including his mind control technology?

That ultimately depends on how much the filmmaker is embracing the source material, but it would help Mad Hatter stand out and could introduce some very interesting and unexpected moments like Batman fighting a mind-controlled Catwoman. Regardless, the director wants an actor between 40 and 50 to play this particular bad guy. 
 

Two-Face

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Now this is very exciting indeed. Rather than starting off with Harvey Dent and giving us yet another origin story for Gotham City's former District Attorney, it appears as if Reeves will jump head first into using the villainous Two-Face from the very start. Making him an established criminal with just the odd reference to his past with Bruce Wayne and Batman is by far the best option. 

Thinking back to how Two-Face was used in the Arkham series of video games, that might also be what we see here, and it would be nice for us to get a comic accurate take on the villain. Time will tell on that front, but expect Reeves to cast an actor of any ethnicity between the ages of 30 and 40.
 

The Penguin

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The Penguin has been linked to The Batman from the very start and seeing as it's hard to pick up a comic featuring the Dark Knight that doesn't feature him interrogating Oswald Cobblepot in his Iceberg Lounge about Gotham City's criminal dealings, it's not hard to figure out what his role will be here. 

Reeves can easily set the stage for The Penguin to be a bigger threat down the line, and treating him as a "Kingpin" of sorts definitely makes sense. With any luck, though, he will embrace the source material and won't shy away from some of the character's more ridiculous elements. What we do know is that Reeves wants an actor between the ages of 20 and 40, so he's casting a wide net. 
 

Catwoman

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While she's been lumped in with the rest of these rogues as a "villain," common sense says Catwoman will actually be more of an anti-hero. Batman being attracted to Selina Kyle despite her being a criminal and cat burglar has always been one of the most interesting things about their relationship, and that dynamic is a must for The Batman

Reeves certainly appears to be looking for a younger actress to fill the role as he wants someone between the ages of 20 and 30. That more than likely means she'll be relatively new to a life of crime, and we can probably expect her to divide Batman's loyalties and be the movie's main love interest. 
 

Four More Villains We Need To See

Clayface

Clayface


Clayface is definitely one of Batman's zanier villains but in recent years, we've learned a lot more about what makes Basil Karlo tick. Whether it's the twisted, non-powered serial killer version of the character or the monster you see above, there's an awful lot he could bring to the table here.

After all, if The Batman is indeed going to be a noir-driven detective story, then who better for the Dark Knight to face off with than someone who can change their appearance at will? 
 

Tweedledum And Tweedledee

Tweedle


With Mad Hatter set to appear in The Batman, the pint-sized villain is going to need some backup when he faces off with the Caped Crusader. Well, Tweedledum and Tweedledee have fought Batman on his behalf on a number of occasions and it would be great to see the hero make short work of them when he crosses paths with the Alice in Wonderland themed bad guy. 

This is the sort of cameo that would more than likely only be appreciated by die-hard Batman fans, but it's also one that makes sense given Mad Hatter's inclusion and a good excuse for Reeves to show off some of the Dark Knight's fighting abilities. 
 

Poison Ivy

Ivy


While Catwoman is going to be part of The Batman, the movie currently doesn't have a female villain, so who better than Poison Ivy to fill that void? While it might be tricky to include her in the main story (unless the Dark Knight is going to track down his rogues throughout Gotham City), a cameo in Arkham Asylum makes sense. 

After all, imagine how cool it would be for the hero to walk past her cell and for us to just get a glimpse of a woman inside surrounded by foliage? It would be one heck of a tease and opens the door to her making an appearance down the line. 
 

The Joker

Joker


The Joker has been done to death on the big screen at this point, and with Joaquin Phoenix's take on the Clown Prince of Crime likely to be every bit as divisive as Jared Leto's, it would definitely be interesting to see what Reeves would do with another fresh take on the iconic villain. 

This wouldn't need to be any more than a cameo in Arkham Asylum, and The Joker should definitely be introduced as someone Batman has already crossed paths with rather than a new foe. There being history between these two automatically makes their twisted relationship that more interesting, and it would be no bad thing for him to have pulled some of the strings here.

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It May End Up Being Set In The 1990s

Batman-90s


It wouldn't really make much sense for Robert Pattinson to "replace" Ben Affleck's version of Batman given their age difference, and we've heard from a number of reliable sources that Reeves wants to focus on a younger, not quite as experienced version of the hero. As a result, rumours have done the rounds claiming that this adventure is actually going to be set during the 1990s. 

This "period" setting for The Batman would free Reeves from having to link to what's come before and the rest of the DCEU, but fans will obviously be hopeful for some connections.

Honestly, though, 90s setting or not, common sense says this will essentially be a reboot for the franchise because it's doubtful that Reeves will be happy about being forced to adhere to specific plot points like Wayne Manor being burned down and Robin being murdered by Jared Leto's younger Joker. 
 

Matt Reeves Is Planning A Trilogy

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These days, an actor being signed to a three-picture deal is no great surprise, and we've seen stars who have ended up starring in trilogies along with those who have been done after just one appearance because a movie hasn't exactly lived up to expectations.

With that in mind, Robert Pattinson being signed up to star in three movies is hardly a shock, but a number of outlets have claimed that Reeves is writing The Batman with an entire trilogy in mind. If that's true, here's hoping the filmmaker is able to write the screenplays a little quicker than he has with this one because, otherwise, we'll be waiting three or four years between each chapter!
 

The Penguin And Catwoman Are "Confirmed" To Appear...

Selina-Kyle


According to The Hollywood Reporter and a few different outlets, the lead villain in The Batman is expected to be The Penguin. He's someone we've seen on the big screen before now and definitely a bad guy who could benefit from a contemporary makeover. 

Another character whose name has been mentioned time and time again is Catwoman, and while Selina Kyle may have made an appearance in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, it would be nice to get a comic book accurate version of the anti-hero on the big screen, especially after Tim Burton took her down a rather weird, gothic route way back when.

But before you dismiss The Batman as a Batman Returns remake, there's some good news...
 

...We May See Even More Villains

Riddler


Batman's world is full of amazing villains, and that's not something Reeves is going to be shying away from. Apparently, we could end up seeing as many as half a dozen of his rogues and The Riddler's name keeps popping up. Whether this means Batman will be facing multiple bad guys or simply paying a visit to Arkham Asylum remains to be seen, but the filmmaker may have sequels in mind. 

After all, laying the groundwork here for more villains means he can gloss over their origin stories (something the Dark Knight's villains have never really needed) and just dive straight into new adventures which are bound to make comic book fans happy. 
 

Younger Versions Of Familiar Faces

Alfred


Jeremy Irons was a great Alfred Pennyworth and while his screentime in Justice League was minimal, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that J.K. Simmons could have stolen the show as Commissioner Gordon. Sadly, it doesn't sound like either of them will be returning for The Batman.

Instead, we'll most likely be getting new versions of both characters, presumably with younger actors taking on the roles. That's a shame, but providing Reeves casts them well, it could still be great.
 

What About Robin?

Robin


The Boy Wonder is currently part of Titans, but it seems as if that version of Dick Grayson will have ditched the Robin mantle after just a single season in order to become Nightwing. In terms of his big screen appearances, we've seen nothing of him since Batman & Robin (The Dark Knight Rises' "Robin" doesn't really count...) so his return is definitely overdue at this point. 

Well, while this should be taken as a rumour for now, it's said that The Batman could end up reintroducing the character and it would definitely make sense for Reeves to explore this relationship over the course of three movies. After all, there's a lot to be said about how and why Bruce Wayne could justify having a child by his side while fighting criminals and murderers.
 

The Focus Will Be On The Caped Crusader's Detective Skills

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Every Batman film we've seen over the years has done a good job with the Dark Knight in very different ways, but if there's one thing that they've all dropped the ball on, it's the fact that he's known as the World's Greatest Detective. Well, Reeves has promised to put the spotlight on those skills and that could mean we're getting a proper crime story that really makes use of more than just his fists. 

With an enemy like The Penguin, a crime story like this makes sense, so fingers crossed Reeves' screenplay delivers plenty of twists and turns in order to make this new take particularly memorable. 
 

Matt Reeves Has Confirmed Robert Pattinson's Casting

Pattinson


For those of you who are having doubts about whether Robert Pattinson really is Batman, the trades are reporting that it's a done deal, and Reeves himself has now taken to social media to confirm that's the case with a Tweet featuring a GIF of the actor along with three Bat emojis. 

He beat Nicholas Hoult for the role and has signed a multi-picture contract which means "Battinson" (R.I.P. "Batfleck") will be here for quite some time. That gives the actor plenty of time to put his mark on the character and we'll hopefully get a trilogy as good as The Dark Knight series.
 

It's A "Noir" Tale

Batman-Damned


According to Reeves, we can expect The Batman to be a "point of view-driven, noir Batman tale." He adds that, "It's told very squarely on his shoulders, and I hope it's going to be a story that will be thrilling but also emotional." Honestly that sounds like a perfect approach to the property. 

Tim Burton gave us a gothic take on the character, Nolan went down the realistic route, and Snyder went to the darker corners of Batman's universe with a world-weary version of Bruce Wayne. 

Now, Reeves has the opportunity to do something completely new and this "noir" approach may be the right direction to take things in. Time will obviously tell what that ends up looking like. 
 

Production Will Begin Next Year

Dark-Knight


According to fairly reliable sources, The Batman will start shooting in the first quarter of 2020 and that actually gives us a good idea of what to expect both this year and next. For starters, casting will continue throughout the rest of 2019, and set photos are likely to start popping up when shooting begins - depending on where Warner Bros. and Reeves decide to transform into Gotham City. 

A teaser trailer arriving at next year's San Diego Comic-Con also makes sense given how the studio usually handled this type of thing, and it will hopefully be sooner rather than later we see Pattinson suited up as Batman as that costume reveal is always very exciting. 
 

The Batman Is Inspired By Jekyll And Hyde

Batman-Catwoman


Late last year, Reeves was asked about his take on the Bruce Wayne/Batman divide and which of them is real and which is the facade. Interestingly, when it came to his inspiration for how that aspect of the character will be handled, the filmmaker pointed to Jekyll and Hyde being a factor. 

"I think that it’s interesting, because one of the things that I’ve found interesting, just as we’re working on the story, is looking back at Jekyll and Hyde, and the idea of your shadow-self, and the idea of, we are all multiple things. It’s different aspects of who we are, and I think there are times when maybe the surface of Bruce is not really who he is, but that’s his disguise. There are times when Batman’s the disguise, but there are times when his true essence comes out, because by being veiled, a kind of instinctual side comes out that’s very pure."

 

It's Called The Batman...For Now

Bruce-Wayne


We first learned that The Batman would be the new film's title when Affleck was still in the director's chair, and while it's definitely a cool name for the DC Comics adaptation, there's nothing to say that Reeves will want to keep it (after all, he completely ditched the screenplay Affleck and Johns wrote). 

Asked what the title will be in an interview last year, Reeves said: "Right now it’s called The Batman. What it will be called ultimately, I don’t know..." In other words, expect it to change, and if it does, Warner Bros. will more than likely reveal the title when production starts in early 2020. 
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BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 9/14/2019, 1:42 AM
If this turns out to be true then called it!
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 9/15/2019, 9:19 AM
@BritishMonkey - just like everybody else.
inkniron
inkniron - 9/14/2019, 1:45 AM
That would be cool. We don't need the straight forward adaptation. Us nerds would probably like to not know all the twists and turns. That would be boring.
L0RDbuckethead
L0RDbuckethead - 9/14/2019, 1:52 AM
tmp3
tmp3 - 9/14/2019, 1:58 AM
There's been rumors about this for a while, but I feel like it'll be more like the Long Halloween in terms of how its structured as opposed to any actual story beats. Really excited to see what Reeves came up with, and to see Pattinson's portrayal.
Himura
Himura - 9/15/2019, 12:48 PM
@tmp3 - Pattinson has said theyre going to show a side of Batman no one has ever seen before on film. I really hope he means his detective work. He's called The World's Greatest Detective and DC stands for Detective Comics for gods sake. Its about time they do.
NotoriousWolf23
NotoriousWolf23 - 9/14/2019, 2:16 AM
Can't wait for this
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 9/14/2019, 2:17 AM
Long Halloween is among my favourite Batman stories, even it's follow up in Dark Victory was great.

But then again I don't trust Smith. He throws a lot of shit in the wall for his channel. Something is bound to stick.
bcom
bcom - 9/14/2019, 3:38 AM
Matt Reeves already mentioned a while back that he wants to concentrate on Batman’s detective side and named The Long Halloween as a storyline he’s inspired by.
TheDpool
TheDpool - 9/14/2019, 3:55 AM
The Long Halloween is one of the all time top Batman stories, but I also remember Smith teasing Affleck looked like the best Batman.
Repian
Repian - 9/14/2019, 5:40 AM
The police have to think that Batman is the murderer. Thus, he has to solve the case while Gordon and Dent pursue him.
Forthas
Forthas - 9/14/2019, 6:34 AM
This could be Reeves first mistake. Cramming too many of Batman's top rogue villains in one film without a proper introduction about their motives or origins is a mistake. If there are more than three introduced at a time, then the film will be too diluted. Not to mention introducing a new Commissioner Gordon and Alfred.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 9/14/2019, 6:35 AM
@inkniron - Borrow from the storyline, without actually calling it the name of the source material. The DC animated movies open themselves up to added criticism, by calling a film Batman: Hush, when they only plan to sampling from the book, and doing their own thing.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 9/14/2019, 6:46 AM
@Forthas - I think Matt Reeves would be banking on Batman's mainstream popularity, to help tell the story. Specifically regarding Batman '66 and Batman: The Animated Series. With good enough writing you can properly introduce the rumored characters in one scene. They're not superpowered, and most casual fans are at least aware of what their deal is.

Matt Reeves seems to be setting up a "contained shared universe", by establishing that all these characters exist in this Gotham City, and Batman's job is to figure out who the current threat is. Very similar to the Arkham games.
Forthas
Forthas - 9/14/2019, 7:07 AM
@WAKANDABATMANFOREVER - I can't think of one superhero film where numerous villains were introduced quickly and the film turned out well. Great superhero films have great villains that have fleshed out motivations and at least some demonstration of how or why they are dangerous. Amazing Spider-man 2 tried to introduce Green Goblin, Electro, Black Cat, Rhino (at the end) not to mention hint at the sinister six.

The Batman is starting to sound like that.
4thMaster
4thMaster - 9/14/2019, 11:41 AM
I had totally forgot how jacked Catwoman is in that book!... and I would be down to see her like that in a movie. She could break that Joker in half with her bare hands! 😍
Anyway, I get the inspiration of throwing in a bunch of enemies to confront and lead Batman to his inevitable conclusion, so they don't have to be very developed. Except Cobblepot and Catwoman who will most likely stick around for the long run. The whole story is a great Batman detective piece, but it will never get a straight adaptation, not with that ending at least.
TerryTerrapin
TerryTerrapin - 9/14/2019, 1:54 PM
@Forthas You're looking at this like it's gonna be a typical comic book movie and I don't think it's gonna be. It's pretty obvious it's gonna be a murder mystery / procedural type of story.

Murder mystery stories typically only flesh out the murderer and victim, the other suspects are given just enough backstory to make us think they're the murderer, whilst making it ''obvious'' at the end that they couldn't possibly be the murderer.

If you look at something like the Poirot TV show they have multiple suspects in each episode, but those suspects are used to advance the plot, we're not supposed to know anything about them other than whatever clue links them to the victim. One of the best episodes has a psychologist steal poison to win a bet, he's a suspect for a brief time because one of the victims is murdered using that same poison. We know nothing about him other than what we need to know to solve the mystery.

Same thing here. If that villain list is accurate and Riddler is the murderer for example, we don't need to know who Firefly is other than what he does, how he's connected to the victim and why he'd want to kill them.

The villains in The Batman don't need fully fleshed out backstories, they just need enough evidence against them to make them seem like a viable suspect.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/14/2019, 2:13 PM
AHHHHHH THIS IS GLORIOUS NEWS! definitely my favorite storyline, maybe because it was my first. Wow lol good job DC!
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 9/14/2019, 2:54 PM
I love Long Halloween, but I'm not sure I want a film adaptation. Nolan already took a lot of inspiration from it in TDK, so this would probably have to change or take out the Harvey Dent arc in order to not feel too similar. I think the best scenario for a Long Halloween adaptation would be to wait a few more years to get more distance from TDK then do something like an HBO miniseries. Time is such a big part of the story so I think long-form would be better suited to that. A bit like a Batman spin on True Detective without the jumping back and forth in time.
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