CAPTAIN AMERICA EXCLUSIVE: Writers Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely

CAPTAIN AMERICA EXCLUSIVE: Writers Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely

Although fantasy and comic books are not their first love, writing partners Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely certainly seem to have made themselves comfortable there with the Narnia films and this summer's Captain America: The First Avenger. The duo sat down with CBM editor Ed Gross for this exclusive chat.

By EdGross - Jun 23, 2011 09:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Captain America

SCIFI MEDIA ZONE: How did you prepare for the project in terms of research?

STEPHEN: We went to the comic book store and read 70 years of comics.

CHRISTOPHER: And after that, you face the main first question, which is are you going to do this modern day or are you going to do this period? I think very early on period seemed advisable. [laughs]

SCIFI MEDIA ZONE: You laughed when you said that, and I’m just curious why you thought period was the way to go.



CHRISTOPHER: Some superheroes aren’t particularly identified with a nation, so it doesn’t matter when their creation is set. Batman can be set any time, because, you know, bats are timeless. Dressing up as an American flag? Well, you’ve got to be a little… tactical… when you decide to have a person do that. If you have a person do that in the middle of Vietnam, he’s one guy. If you have him do that in 2012, he’s a completely other guy, and if you have him do it in World War II, it’s almost the last time where it would be completely undeniably good.

STEPHEN: That’s a bit of a controversial statement.

CHRISTOPHER: America became sort of split from the Korean War on in terms of foreign policy. There were plenty of people who were not in favor of the various things we’ve done since then. World War II – “Greatest Generation” – was the pinnacle of everyone in the universe thinking we were awesome except, perhaps, for the Axis Powers [laughs]. And it fits in with his character in that you can’t just have a guy decide to be Captain America in 2012….

STEPHEN: Context is everything.

CHRISTOPHER:… because it would remove all of his distinguishing characteristics, which is man out of time. He has the morals and rules of another time, and if you just have that guy now, he becomes sort of an oddball as opposed to having any justification for the way he is.



SCIFI MEDIA ZONE: Doesn’t this guy have to be colored by what he experiences? Admittedly this is not Schindler’s List, but dealing with those enemies and the atrocities going on at that time, is there ever a struggle for this guy who’s trying to be a true-blue hero facing this pure evil all around him?

STEPHEN: The thing we struggled with a little bit is do you have to remind people why so many guys wanted to go to war in 1942? Right now, if war broke out it would really depend on the enemy, but we wouldn’t all get in line to get over there. But in ’42, we did! The movie tries to put that in some context so that he’s not crazy for really, really wanting to do his part and sign up for his country. And he’s not square for doing that; he’s much like everybody else in the States was at the time.

CHRISTOPHER: I think the key to him and the key to most heroic soldier figures is that they’re doing it because it needs to be done; they’re not doing it because they love fighting. The more he fights, the more I think, in his heart, he’s going, “It will be nice when this is over,” because this is not pleasant. I think at the end of the movie he’s certainly weathered; he’s certainly seen a lot more combat and a lot more leadership than I think he would have ever factored in at the beginning.

STEPHEN: Again, it’s not Schindler’s List and it is a summer movie. Looking into the heart of darkness there will be light touches [laughs].



SCIFI MEDIA ZONE: You mentioned earlier that Captain America would come across as a wacko in today’s world, but what’s the opposite of that? How would Captain America look at the cynicism of this world?

STEPHEN: You’re asking us to speculate completely. What we did was we said, “We spent two years making sure we got Cap in 1942-1945 right.” Joss Whedon is the one who gets the first crack out of what the man out of time thinks of 2012 in next year’s The Avengers.

SCIFI MEDIA ZONE: At the same time, you guys have “lived” with this character for the past few years, so you must have some thoughts on it.

CHRISTOPHER: I imagine that to a certain extent, if you’re just working on the surface, if you got jumped from 1945 to 2012 without knowing what happened in between, you might think you lost the war [laughs].

STEPHEN: Why do you say that?

CHRISTOPHER: Well, because that version of hometown America is so wholesome, clean, homogenized….

STEPHEN: Right, and we make fun of it now.

CHRISTOPHER: And to come here now, where it’s more polluted, noisier, it’s got 200 times more buildings and people…I don’t think you’d think the Nazis won, but you might think, “This isn’t what I was fighting for in someway.”



SCIFI MEDIA ZONE: So the attitude would be, “Something went wrong here”?

CHRISTOPHER: Not that something went wrong, but you would have to then go out and re-find what’s good.

STEPHEN: It’s also specific. The story of Steve will be the story of people and the very specific people that he lost; the relationships that will come back or he regrets or culpabilities or whatever. I can’t really speak for how Steve is going to feel at the mall, but I can speak about how Steve feels about his experiences with Bucky in World War II.

CHRISTOPHER: Even Captain America, who is completely consumed by symbolism, in a way, is like everybody else, fighting for specifics; for what is specifically important to them, which makes him a good character as opposed to a cartoon.
STEPHEN: That’s the approach that you have to take, I think. You can’t write Captain America, you have to write Steve Rogers.


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Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 9:30 AM
On a somewhat realated note...I just found out my little brother is going to be an extra on the set of the Avengers for 4 days. He will be playing a sailor on an Aircraft Carrier! I hate and envoy him all at the same time! ScarJo and RDJ will be on set with him. If he doesn't get me an autograph I will kick his ass!!!
MarkJulian
MarkJulian - 6/23/2011, 9:32 AM
Great stuff, Ed!
Greenlee
Greenlee - 6/23/2011, 9:36 AM
i hope this doesnt flop big time like Green Lantern

*prayer circle*
selinakyle
selinakyle - 6/23/2011, 9:36 AM
Nice work Ed!
WellDrawn
WellDrawn - 6/23/2011, 9:37 AM
It occured to me, as awesome as Samuel L Jackson is, it's sad to think that the closest we'll ever get to the classic 'white' Nick Fury is David Hassellhoff.
It would've been cool if they turned 'Nick Fury' into a codename, and while Samuel L Jackson is the modern day Fury, they could have given 'classic Nick Fury' a role in Captain America TFA.
Snuffles
Snuffles - 6/23/2011, 9:38 AM

Needs a second trailer already.
Great work Ed.

larusso
larusso - 6/23/2011, 9:41 AM
Wow, really enjoyed reading that! These guys know their stuff
EdGross
EdGross - 6/23/2011, 9:49 AM
In talking to Joe Johnston the other day, I BELIEVE he said the trailer was going to be released either today or next Thursday, so it's definitely coming soon.
HelaGood
HelaGood - 6/23/2011, 9:49 AM
this is gonna rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
militantcharles
militantcharles - 6/23/2011, 9:51 AM
@brashlight tell your bro to get me a pic of the widow as well hahahaha. But seroiusly thats pretty fn awesome
Digitaria51
Digitaria51 - 6/23/2011, 9:52 AM
Ed it sounds like you're trying to get these guys to admit they hate America now and love communism
TheLight
TheLight - 6/23/2011, 9:54 AM
Cool stuff, Ed.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 9:56 AM
militantcharles@ Oh i warned him if he doesn't get picture or at least steal some prop pieces I will kick his ass. But yeah, I am so jealous of him right now. I guess being in the Airforce pays off!
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 9:59 AM
@Brashlight definately an aircraft carrier? or maybe....

the Helicarrier?
Just a thought, why would Iron Man and Black Widow be on an aircraft carrier?
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 9:59 AM
@Brashlight definately an aircraft carrier? or maybe....

the Helicarrier?
Just a thought, why would Iron Man and Black Widow be on an aircraft carrier?
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 10:02 AM
Altair@ I agree, he said it was a set piece they created of a carrier. So I am thinking it will be the Helicarrier. That would make sense.

Tea@ I too, am not a fan of periods. Makes a bloody mess of things. Pun intended :P
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 10:03 AM
They could have an ending all like Black Ops, everyone near carriers or something and Caps all like "Avengers
Assemble!" and that's the end. I dont know though. Just a thought.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 10:04 AM
By the way Awesome stuff Ed! I can't wait for Captain America! Although I hate they are releaseing it a week after Harry Potter, that isn't going to help with ticket sales :(
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 10:08 AM
LOL @Tea and Brashlight

Maybe Sailor is a code name?
comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 6/23/2011, 10:10 AM
There is one very interesting point here. What would a Captain America, freshly revived after being 'frozen in time', think of the world today? I believe that if he saw the sorry police state that this nation has devolved into, he'd certainly believe that either the Nazis won, or that the Russians turned on us and defeated us. THAT would be an interesting story worthy of a movie in itself. Sadly, this story will be buried as part of the Avengers film, where there just won't be the time to give this interesting story the time to develop that it deserves.
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 10:14 AM
@Comicb00kguy

Thats a great point. If Marvel would make their movies more like movies and less "Make a movie that's kid-friendly". I can imagine him waking up and breathing fresh New York air and coughing, thinking"What's wrong with the air?", and Nick Fury says" Pollution", or something cheesy like that. Disney owns them now, so expect to see a Mickey Mouse somewhere.
CapFan79
CapFan79 - 6/23/2011, 10:15 AM
Sounds like they really get the whole period aspect and the man in the wrong time stuff. And I totally agree with this perspective:

Well, because that version of hometown America is so wholesome, clean, homogenized…

And to come here now, where it’s more polluted, noisier, it’s got 200 times more buildings and people…I don’t think you’d think the Nazis won, but you might think, “This isn’t what I was fighting for in someway.”

capcyclopsftw
capcyclopsftw - 6/23/2011, 10:20 AM
Tea - I love getting blown by periods, just adds that extra lube sometimes needed!
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 10:22 AM
LOL @Teabag

The movies need to tackle real issues, not like Iron Man avoided the term "Al Quaeda" or "Taliban" and said "Ten Rings", or how in Captain America they focus on HYDRA instead of Nazis. Thor indirectly referrenced thos terrorist groups, and thats more how it should be.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 10:24 AM
tea@ LOL, actually i prefer it when anything involving a period blows me *cough* *cough* away. A lot less clean up involved.
ComicsCommando
ComicsCommando - 6/23/2011, 10:25 AM
Didn't Joss Whedon rewrite the Captain America script? Sounded like these guys kinda screwed up.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 10:25 AM
Altair@ I don't think Iron Man was avoiding anything. The Ten Rings was from the comics. So rather than go with Al Quaeda they go with a modern day Ten Rings and set up future story lines like the Mandarin.
Altair
Altair - 6/23/2011, 10:32 AM
Well, yeah, I love the inclusion of the Ten Rings but if I see no swastika in Cap I'm gonna be mad. Oh and get this, before nazis ever used the swastika, it was a good luck charm in India and also represented Thor in Norway. Could they find some way to tie this together? Yeah. But they won't.
EdGross
EdGross - 6/23/2011, 10:44 AM
Joss did a draft of the script, which was largely done to add a bit more humor to the piece. That's my understanding of it.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/23/2011, 10:45 AM
Tea@ LMAO, i love Stephen Lynch! That dude is hilarious!
JackBauer
JackBauer - 6/23/2011, 10:54 AM
@tea & brash - I am a fan of periods. At my house, period = blowing ;) I'm not a big fan of the missed period though.

@brash - See if your brother can sneak into ScarJo's trailer and steal her undies. I'll give him a shiny new quarter :)
Priest
Priest - 6/23/2011, 10:57 AM
It amuses me how people have a tendency to think that back in the day things where always better. Back in the day, there was segregation, racism and misogyny where a common and even accepted thing. Believe it or not, there was more poor people and people died younger. Back in the day, there was more illiterate people and diseases that can be easily avoided now, killed people by the thousands. Every period of time got their good and bad things. Back in the day is not particularly better than today.
EdGross
EdGross - 6/23/2011, 11:00 AM
I think what they were getting at is that back then there was more of a sense of patriotism -- and more of a reason to BE patriotic -- than there is today.
Coldblood6
Coldblood6 - 6/23/2011, 11:11 AM
@ teabag

You better hope this movie comes out at the right time of month.
Coldblood6
Coldblood6 - 6/23/2011, 11:15 AM
@ Priest

VERY WELL SAID!

Tha's one of the most intelligent things ever said on this site.
sexfoodcomics
sexfoodcomics - 6/23/2011, 11:18 AM
I like how they said " you can't write a captain America story, you have to write a Steve Rogers story"

that gets me excited for this movie.
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/23/2011, 11:29 AM
@ edgross

very good interveiw,well done mate you're the man.
JackBauer
JackBauer - 6/23/2011, 11:39 AM
@Priest - There was also no air conditioning. I don't know how people down here in The South survived back then. It's hot as [frick] down here :)
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