EDITORIAL: Concerned About The First Avenger!? Who, Me?

EDITORIAL: Concerned About The First Avenger!? Who, Me?

Should you be concerned about Captain America: The First Avenger? In a word: YES!

Editorial Opinion
By VictorVon - Jun 26, 2010 05:06 AM EST
Source: VictorVon/Diplomatic Immunity

I can hardly stand the wait. First we’ll get to see Thor, the God of Thunder. Then, right on his heels, next summer, Captain America: The First Avenger, will make his “Marvel Studios” debut. Let’s not bother detailing the awful straight-to video vehicle starring Matt Salinger and Scott Paulin as an Italian Red Skull, or the Reb Brown Television movies of the 1970’s. Sorry to even bring those up…

The First Avenger will be different. I think. I hope.



I understand there are those who are not impressed with Marvel’s decision to hire either Joe Johnston as director, or Chris Evans as our Sentinel of Liberty. Personally, I think Johnston is more than capable of making a realistic “period piece” with all the action and adventure we can hope for, and, I have grown to trust the choices being made by the Big-Wigs at Marvel Studios.

Like most of you, I do have my concerns, however. Here are a few of them.

One of my concerns before and after the announcement of Chris Evans as Cap was, “How will they find someone who can play “scrawny” Steve Rogers and that person still be able to bulk up to Captain America-like proportions in the time allotted?”

I wondered if they would ask their chosen actor to “pull a Christian Bale” ala The Machinist, then ask him to “pull a Stallone” ala Rocky IV, not that Sylvester was ever big enough to play Cap, as ripped as he was then.

I wondered if they would hire a separate actor for each point in Cap’s life, and simply hide his face until after “Operation Rebirth”, or if they would simply show no change whatsoever in the physique of their actor, like they did with Matt Salinger (sorry, there I go again).

Then I saw Avatar. What James Cameron and his team were able to do to Sam Worthington’s legs made Lt. Dan from Forrest Gump look like an Etch-a-Sketch drawing. Of all the wondrous visuals in that movie, the sight of Worthington’s deteriorated legs may have impressed me the most. So, now, I’m thinking, “If they can muster those sorts of realistic C.G.I. effects, then Johnston should have no excuse for not doing the same to Chris Evans’ face and body.” This way, Evans can concentrate on getting as big and cut-up as humanly possible (without becoming superhuman, of course) before filming begins. Nice…

Another concern of mine was how much screen-time they plan on devoting to the training of Rogers, be it through his actually being taught to fight or his field-experience. Hopefully, we’ll get at least a little of both.
When I was very young, I understood Captain America to be one of, if not “the”, premiere hand-to-hand combatant the Marvel Universe had to offer. I mistakenly attributed these abilities to him having been around so long, constantly gaining valuable experience to which other heroes like Spider-Man, the X-Men or Fantastic Four were not privy.

See, I was forgetting the very important aspect (I was a little kid, gimmie’ a break!) of his having been frozen for (what, 20 years at the time, now sixty if he’s revived today?) such a long time. It wasn’t until later that it dawned on me that he became Captain America, went to war (WWII lasted from 1939 to 1945, with the U.S. becoming involved in 1942, no?), had a few years worth of battles, and then became lost/frozen at sea.

That’s not really much experience, in terms of time. If Peter Parker was bitten by that spider when he was 15 or 16 years old, then by the time he was 19 he had roughly as much experience fighting as a “thawed out Captain America”.

What I’m getting at is, I feel we need to witness some intense training scenes, where a post “Super Soldier Serum” Rogers can be shown mastering his new found strength, speed, stamina, balance and over-all athletic abilities.

In much the same way Arnold was shown the ways of the sword and having to learn to fight in those grueling pit-matches in Conan the Barbarian, or Morpheus schooling Neo in The Matrix, or, more recently, Christian Bale’s Bruce Wayne spending almost a third of Batman Begins learning to fight from Ra’s al Ghul and his “League of Shadows”, we need to see Steve Rogers quickly shown the ropes before he enters the war.

Then, I am concerned that the movie may not span the several years necessary to illustrate just how battle-tested Rogers will have become before he gets “put on ice”. I do not want the film to simply be a “one-mission” adventure ending with the Red Skull repeatedly ramming his face into Cap’s shield. This does not mean that I expect the movie to last three hours. No, this could be done with a montage, if nothing else.

Can you envision Cap beating down one bad guy (Baron Zemo?), then the scene cuts to him whipping another (von Strucker?) and another (Hitler?) in a series of clips that play out like rounds 4-12 in virtually all the Rocky movies?

Anything to establish that there are many battles to be fought within every war, and that as time goes on, Steve becomes more and more skilled as a tactician and hand-to-hand fighter (not to mention what should be a growing expertise with his shield). I want to see the evolution of his prowess, and be made to believe that, once he is “thawed-out”, he’ll be ready to give lessons in A$$-Kicking!

I am worried, a little, that too many characters from Steve Rogers’ original timeline are allowed to somehow survive or be reincarnated with him in modern times. Of course, I want the Skull to make it into the future where he can renew his evil schemes and torture our hero some more. Perhaps his buddy, Zola, can “transfer his consciousness” into a clone of Steve Rogers similar to the comics.

Perhaps, in this way, Zola too survives, in that “TV set in the abdomen” version of himself from the pages of our hero.

Then, of course, we have Nick Fury (Infinity Formula? Will that be used?) still kicking well into the future as well.

And, the many generations of the Zemo clan explain how a version of the original character continues to haunt Captain America in modern times.

Then we have Bucky, long thought, believed, and if for no other reason than not bringing back yet another character, hoped, to be dead, who is revealed to have also made it out of the 1940’s, relatively recently.

I know the new take on his skill level as a fighter and deeper detailing of his “Bad-A$$-edness” during the war, not to mention his new look and taking over of the “Captain America mantle”, has many fan-boys in full “geek-out” mode, but I am indifferent.

Why don’t we go back and pretend like Aunt May was really a “sleeper-cell ninja” programmed by The Hand back before Peter was out of diapers. We could give her a newly colored dress and a cyborg leg!

I’m kidding. I like the new take on Bucky, but if Marvel plans to reintroduce him in future films as the Winter Soldier then I think they need to consider cutting back on the other “survivors”. I can only suspend my disbelief so much.

Obviously, Nick Fury has to make it. And, I suppose the Red Skull does too. But sheesh- where does it end? How much of a “man-out-of-time” can Steve Rogers be when he’s still surrounded by the same cast?

Speaking of the cast, it seems to be rounding out nicely with Hugo Weaving (Red Skull), Stanley Tucci (Dr. Erskine), Toby Jones (Arnim Zola), Haley Atwell (Peggy Carter), Sebastian Stan (“Bucky” Barnes), Neal McDonough (Dum Dum Dugan), Dominic Cooper (Howard Stark), Samuel L. Jackson (Fury) and Tommy Lee Jones (as Gen. Chester Phillips according to IMDB.com) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458339/ Is that official yet?

I am, therefore, not concerned with the cast. They will do just fine.

I am, however, worried that the scene Johnston spoke of about parading Cap around in a U.S.O show may do more harm than good.

You can read his quote found in L.A. Times Entertainment here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/02/captain-america-will-be-a-uso-performer-in-the-movie-director-says.html

I realize this is old news and many have expressed their concerns already, but I share those concerns, and felt it necessary to include them. If the scene is there for the sole purpose of showing us his “traditional” costume, then perhaps it should be left out. I don’t think Kirby will mind. Let’s hope it works, and doesn’t ruin what otherwise seems to have the makings of a great movie.

Besides that, I think my only major concern is making sure I live long enough to see it.

Feel free to comment. I’d love to hear what you think.

Peace,

VictorVon
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ROMACK
ROMACK - 6/26/2010, 7:04 AM
While I understand most of your concerns... What I do not agree with is...."It wasn’t until later that it dawned on me that he became Captain America, went to war (WWII lasted from 1939 to 1945, with the U.S. becoming involved in 1942, no?), had a few years worth of battles, and then became lost/frozen at sea. "

Well Cap was in Europe in the comics way before the U.S. entered the war, and in a real world situation he would have been part of an advanced party detachment behind enemy lines to advise and assisst the allies.
Now if you don't think three years in a combat zone as horrific as WWII Europe will give you a lifetime of hardened fighting experience...then you need to reach out to some Special Ops Combat Veterans and ask them.

Three years in Nazi occupied Germany would be all the Fighting experience Cap would need.

Otherwise I see eye to eye with you and I do think this is a very good article. Thanx

VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/26/2010, 7:35 AM
@ hammertime

Wow, I did not know that.

So, you're telling me that the old comics I remember seeing that showed Bucky inadvertently catching Steve while changing in/out of his Captain America uniform in an army tent, realizing who Rogers was, and practically begging him to "tag-along" was all a part of the U.S. governments' plan?

I seem to remember his ineptness almost costing him his life and Cap would have to save him.

He was just a goofy kid. Which, by the way, did not make him stand out amongst the thousands of other "teenagers" parading, fighting and dying "around Europe" on behalf of the U.S. Teenagers were common.

When you say "Bad ass Bucky is not a new concept", and that he has "ALWAYS been the first to go behind enemy lines and silently and effectively kill or put down all defenses", do you mean that it has been recently revealed that it was going down like that all along?

Call me crazy, but I don't remember Bucky carrying a gun back then, even though it would be crazy not to assume any soldier would be without one.

I don't recall him ever killing anyone in those early comics. I didn't think it was allowed to depict such acts of aggression in the comics during that time. They didn't even IMPLY that Bucky was a Bad Ass assassin.

For a long time, after his debut in issue #180/181 of The Incredible Hulk, it was assumed that Wolverine's claws were simply Adamantium claws.

Later, it was "revealed" by writers who had nothing to do with his creation, that they were actually bone-claws, with an Adamantium coating...That he was actually born with those claws.

At that point, readers could justifiably deduce that Wolverine had "ALWAYS" had those claws, even though the concept was "new". This is what has happened with the character of Bucky Barnes.

You think when Bucky was killed off in the comics all those years ago the writers knew he would return, never having died at all, with this new and improved "Bad Ass" back story? If that's the case, Why isn't Stan Lee or Jack Kirby given credit for creating the Winter soldier?

The concept is "relatively" new (as I said) in comparison to the return of the other characters I mentioned from Cap's back story.

I sincerely appreciate you reading my posts, and you taking the time to comment, but this is twice now that you seem to be coming at me in a negative way.

VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/26/2010, 7:57 AM
@ Romack
You make a good point.
However, isn't Cap supposed to be the most highly skilled fighter in the Marvel U? At least up their with the absolute best of them, pound for pound?

What makes his time in the war any different from any of the other soldiers in these "advanced party detachments"? Wouldn't they be just as experienced, if not more so?

In real life, I concede that "three years in a combat zone as horrific as WWII Europe will give you a lifetime of hardened fighting experience",

(I have never been in the military myself, or in a war, mostly because of my father's stories of his involvement in Vietnam)

but these are comics we're talking about, with "Super Villains that possess super-human strength and powers.

I'm not sure that Cap's few years fighting Nazi's with guns is the same type of hand-to-hand experience that, say, Spider-Man received with regards to The Green Goblin, The Lizard, Kraven, Electro, The Rhino etc, all of whom were trying to kill him, just as much as Baron Zemo was trying to kill Cap.

Plus, from what we've heard about the movie, doesn't it seem like the U.S. will be involved with the war, while Cap is being made to dance around on stage (wanting to join his fellow countrymen in the fight)?

I'm in no way trying to make light of the things our soldiers have, and do, go through while at war.

I was simply expressing the fact that I wanted the movie to "stress" his combat experiences, for the purposes of justifying his reputation for being the single greatest fighter in the world.

Thanks for the compliment.
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/26/2010, 8:18 AM
@Teabag,

I agree that it sounds good on paper. And you're right, it makes more sense that they would need to test him in hopes of duplicating the serum, but why have him put on a show then?

For one, shouldn't he be kept a secret, left in a lab being poked and prodded?

Two, What is he doing on stage to boost morale that anybody in a flag suit couldn't? Circus tricks? I just don't see how it would boost the morale of the troops, to see a guy in a goofy get-up, dancing around.

And if he IS performing some sort of phenomenal feats of strength and agility, then I think, if I were a soldier, that it would DEmoralize me, knowing that this physical freak of nature wasn't helping us out.

My main concern is that he isn't made to look corny, I guess. Although, if done right, and we see his embarrassment, then I could laugh it off, and cheer when he says, "forget this", and goes A.W.O.L.

I hope you're right about this.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/26/2010, 9:45 AM
VON @ Separate actors for lil, STEVE, scrawny STEVE pre serum etc etc, ARMIE HAMMER btw! : P

Yeah I'm mainly concerned of having [frick]ing SLJ in it!

Should have the real FURY in it, and have SLJ as his son!

Ya know it makes sense! ; P

Great article man!
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/26/2010, 10:17 AM
"oh steve- steve, lookit this...captain america's done it again...boy, how i'd like to meet that guy! i wish i could be like that guy!"

(This is where Bucky makes it known how much he idolizes Cap, and that he would basically give anything just to "be him")

"Maybe you can Bucky...Maybe you can"
(Cap patronizing the little dork)


That same night, when Bucky visits Steve's tent, he makes a startling discovery...

(Why's he barging in on another man while he's getting dressed?)

"hello steve, i came down to wh, wha, why, you're captain america!"

"You little rascal! I ought to Tan your hide!"

(Doesn't seem like anyway to talk to a bad ass)

"gosh- gee wiz, golly, i never thought-"

(sure sounds like beggin' to me)

"From now on, we must both share this secret together...That means you're my partner Bucky."

(as in, I can't trust you to be alone with this secret because you're weak and feeble. You're not a bad-ass. You need protection. Since You've made it annoyingly clear that you can't live another second without having met me and want to be like me, come on then...)

Me asking, "Why isn't Stan Lee or Jack Kirby given credit for creating the Winter soldier?" is not because I thought that Stan Lee was involved in inventing the character Captain America, it's to make a point that ANY of the writers before the invention of "The Winter Soldier" would have been in on the plan to alter Bucky's origin, since you were insisting that BAD ASS Bucky was "not a new concept".

By the way, it's Simon, not Simonson.

And for the record, when you open your comment with this :"but a one big thing to let you know here", then proceed with this nonsense about Bucky, insinuating that I'm wrong in my assessment, it comes across as "negative".

My intent was not to speak ill of a character you're obviously very fond of, I just wanted to point out that his altered origin story adds just another character to the miraculously increasing list of extremely lucky Cap cohorts.

I'm glad to see that you now agree that "the whole Bucky survived and is an assassin is new".


VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/26/2010, 10:45 AM
Yeah, and their going to have to explain Fury's presence in the 1940's somehow, considering he seems in fit and "not too old" condition in Iron Man. "why delve into Fury's background in Cap's solo"? When else would they explain his presence?

Unless he's only going to be in the bookends, maybe narrating the whole movie, explaining the legacy of Cap to someone(s) before finding and reviving him.

But I think you're on to something Hammertime, with cap needing someone he can trust in modern times.
Talontd
Talontd - 6/26/2010, 11:04 AM
This WAS a great article....until you kept going! I think if you had ended it at "...A$$-Kicking!" it would have been much better! It kinda seemed like you started rambling from that point on.

Still some good stuff in there, thanks for the break-time read!!!
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/26/2010, 12:52 PM
you're welcome....I think...?
MIIIK
MIIIK - 6/26/2010, 2:37 PM
Armie Hammer is old news @Leee, let it go. His name sounds like a foot powder :D
ROMACK
ROMACK - 6/26/2010, 3:06 PM
Vic@- Yeah but if you think about it Cap didn't spend his time just fighting Nazi grunts. He fought the best that the Nazis had to offer. Zemo, Strucker, Master Man and the Red Skull.

Plus training with the best the allies had to offer. Union Jack, Namor and the rest of the Invaders. He could then (somewhat like a Mixed Martial Artist) take a bit from all of the fighting styles that he learned and perfect his style.

Also I think what you suggested may very well happen. I think that we will probably see a montage of events where he is training and then fighting during the war. Just like the Rocky movies. Otherwise the movie will either just be too long or it will feel incomplete just like the 1990 version.
BubbaDude
BubbaDude - 6/26/2010, 7:18 PM
First of all, look at some of the really cool covers from Cap books of the 40's. Now, in those stories, Bucky was the typical sidekick. He's run straight into danger, get captured and have to be rescued by the hero .Like i said, typical 40's fodder. However, if you look at the COVERS, esp the Syd Shores ones(probably one of the best 40's cover artists, and he did a LOT of Cap covers), you'll see the bad-ass Buckt front and center. One that sticks out in my memory(wish I knew how to post pics here...) showcases Cap and Bucky parachuting behind enemy lines in Europe. Cap is deflecting nazi bullets with his shield, while Bucky gleefully mows down the opposition with a machine gun. I believe these covers could have been the inspiration for the modern take on Bucky, along with a justifiable desire to make the character more believable to today's audience. I for one don't want to see a masked 12 year old kid running from nazis yelling "golly, gosh, gee whiz!". I'd much rather see a 17 year old kicking some ass(ala Audie Murphy).....Maybe Syd Shores should get credited along with Simon and Kirby, when they roll the end titles?
Jeri
Jeri - 6/26/2010, 7:32 PM
The experience factor is a moot point. The super-solider serum makes him a tactical genius capable of deciding the best possible move/strategy in virtually any combat scenario.

He only needs to do something once to gain complete mastery over it a tactically as well as physically. Its his most used ability in practically every Captain America comic in history...

Being a tactical genius, having the physical strength, speed, endurance, agility, durability and dexterity to play out strategy's he would come up with for any scenario. Experience wouldn't matter, as is the nature of his powers.
TheDemonHunter
TheDemonHunter - 6/26/2010, 8:08 PM
I'm still completely opposed to the very existence of the Winter Soldier and everything that has come of it since.

For decades, Bucky's death was symbolic of the 405,399 Americans who didn't come home from service in WWII. He wasn't written as anything special until recently. He was just a young American who was fortunate enough to be paired up with the symbol of the US and the Allied war effort. His death may not have been initially intended to be that symbol, but it was used that way by writers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Now he's been cheapened as just another comic book character, resurrected by a writer who apparently had no sense of the bigger picture or perhaps just didn't care. The resurrection was poorly conceived and implemented. It was apparently done for shock value, a gimmick by the writer to show that he would go in a new direction, as Bucky and Mar-Vell were long paraded as the only characters Marvel's editors would never allow brought back, because of the manner of their deaths and what they represented.

As for Cap's fighting prowess, comparing his experiences and training in WWII, fighting day and night on the battlefields of Europe against the Third Reich, to Peter Parker learning via trial and error as a kid whose superhuman abilities allow him to get by with a lot less actual skill and training.... yeah that's just laughable. Cap spent his days and nights in a war zone. Peter Parker spent his nights taking on mostly muggers and thugs after spending his days in college science labs. Who do you think has more experience and ability as a fighter, tactician, and leader after those same three years that were mentioned earlier?
TheDemonHunter
TheDemonHunter - 6/26/2010, 8:24 PM
@Hammer -- I should have phrased that differently, you're right. The only two superheroes they wouldn't even consider bringing back were previously declared to be Bucky and Mar-Vell. Uncle Ben's death is a huge part of the Marvel Universe, and hopefully even Marvel's current writers and editors aren't stupid enough to think THAT would be a good idea. lol
TheAmazingSmitty
TheAmazingSmitty - 6/26/2010, 8:29 PM
@BubbaDude
I know exactly what you mean!
BubbaDude
BubbaDude - 6/26/2010, 8:42 PM
Thanks Hammertime. here's one from 1942: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/CaptAmerica128pp.jpg

Here's a inside splash page that shows a somewhat similar theme: http://www.markcomics.com/mediac/450_0/media/cap32.jpg

1943, skiing down onto red-helmeted nazis:http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/35/21960_20051230125643_large.jpg

This is a great one, here we see Bucky actually shooting bad guys:http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/35/21971_20051230132049_large.jpg

And one last. A thought on this, the previous covers were by Syd Shores, however after doing this quick internet search, I think the cover I originally thought of is likely by this artist, Alex Schomburg. Check this one out for why we need to see all the Invaders in the movie!:http://www.alexschomburg.com/images/gallery/goulart131_select.jpg


Thanks for the help Hammertime!
BubbaDude
BubbaDude - 6/26/2010, 8:48 PM
Great pic DeadDrool!

@DemonHunter, I totally agree with you about the experience thing. Your example of Caps experience vs Spidey's experience is exacgtly what I was going to type. Cap spent a full 4 years fighting his way across Europe against the normal nazi soldiers and the super ones. Combined with the super-soldier serum, and you have a combination no other modern day hero has. Not even Batman ;-)
Crestfallen
Crestfallen - 6/26/2010, 9:12 PM
I do agree about the timeframe of the movie. I hope they allow so time to elapse. Maybe after a brief first mission they can throw a title card up that says "Three Years Later" or sometime.

That way, even if the movie ends with Captain iced or thawed out in modern times, they can always have a period sequel, simply setting the narrative in the intervening years set up by the first film.
skidz
skidz - 6/26/2010, 9:17 PM
According to Joe Johnston himself, the U.S.O scenes are the result of the military panicking, because he's the only 'super-soldier' and they shut down the program before Rogers even has a chance to be battlefield tested. He essentially becomes a side show for military morale. Then something goes wrong, something he was trained to handle and he gets brought back in to fix the damage and go after the Red Skull.
fanboy76
fanboy76 - 6/26/2010, 10:37 PM
awesome article, you really put some effort in to it. You bring up many a valid points that I too am concerned about in the movie.
jbender
jbender - 6/26/2010, 11:13 PM
I don't bitch and complain about a movie that hasn't been made yet. No point to it.
HULK2099
HULK2099 - 6/26/2010, 11:52 PM
AGREED!
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 6/27/2010, 1:33 AM
Nice article, and I agree with almost everything you've said. In particular about Rogers' experience, which is partly what worries me about the USO story, that it'll be Rogers putzing around for awhile before getting into action around February of 1945.

I'd much rather if he was shown to make his debute in Guadalcanal or something, then cut to three years later, now much more experienced and hardened in time for his last waltz.
HugeCapfan
HugeCapfan - 6/27/2010, 1:57 AM
I have a long list of concerns about the Cap movie, and I'm afraid the Powers-that-be will implement them to make the Cap movie 'successful'.
1: Ultimate Cap; he's angry, hard-nosed and very soldier-like, not what I want to see in Captain America. I'm afraid they want this Cap because of the success of the Ultimate books, but will turn out an Ugly American, NO WAY is Cap going to be a Bad American.
2: Frozen in ice; Biggest problem of that 90s Cap movie is how WW2 lasted 10 minutes and Cap is thrusted into the modern world, Will not work and will just confuse the audience and irritate long time Cap fans. Make a Period Piece. Leave Cap in WW2. Have the Avengers find Cap in the Avengers movie.
3: Nazis; Today's youth are not into Nazis-as-badguys, but Raiders of the Lost Ark had Nazis and at that time, youth wasn't into Nazis-as-badguys. Just Jazz them up, do some fun stuff with them to make them interesting badguys.
4: Politically correct combat sequences; They may be afraid to make a WAR SCENE that'll get slapped with an R rating, ...James Bond had great war scenes and never ventured into the R ratings. Cap movie must have a great War scene--involving hundreds of soldiers, guns and explosions--and Cap charging into battle.
5: Nick Fury; I'm afraid the Easter eggs are becoming as big as the story and action. No Nick Fury, No bookends or references of Cap popping up in the modern era, ... Just Cap in a cool action war movie.
RD
RD - 6/27/2010, 2:11 AM
Go to http://captain-america.us/comicbookwallpaper.htm
and note that the 'rule' is Bucky as a hostage along with some blonde female in the first two dozen issues. Only once or twice was he fighting or shooting in the background.

Too bad they can't make two WWII cap movies... using the 'insert Cap here' into actual filmed moments like they did with Forrest Gump/Tom Hanks.

I am totally keeping all fingers crossed for this movie. I have been waiting for a good depiction since I got out of the military way back 1980... and reading Captain America with John Byrne's artwork and stories. They had one issue of 'recaping the history' by having Steve watching old newsreel movies at a local theater... and then running out and hitting the rooftops to encounter Dragon Man. Always thought that would make a nice 'flashback' method... memories and newsreel footage. Heck, his USO gig could be a 'reel snippet'... all in sepias or black and grays.
modelsbyray2
modelsbyray2 - 6/27/2010, 6:00 AM
i think the uso is a great way to introduce the red white and blue uniform, i agree with most of the postings but what i have read was the invaders are gonna be in the movie, and that the whole freezing/ thawing/being found by sheild will be the end of the movie and the introduction to the avengers movie.
i just couldnt see him going into battle in a suit colored that brightly (the whole we made him ,he was expensive , he boosts troop morale etc ) i hope it does go well, i have been sweatin this for a while, btw as for the scrawny to buff transformation anyone remember thed first spidey movie ? he went to bed scrawny , woke up buff
UberGeek
UberGeek - 6/27/2010, 8:38 AM
Bucky has never been seen as bad ass, he is always thought of as a wimpy kid - he's the sidekick not the hero, never has Bucky gone in first to deal with a situation then bring in Cap to clean up the mess.

No one really cared when he died, and there was the unwriten rule that he was the only charater that should NEVER be brought back, mainly because he was an embaressmentand represented a campy, citch side to Cap that Mavel didn't want pll to see anymore.

It's only now everyone is saying how cool and badass Bucky was, a few months back and this would never even be considered in an arugment, as the one thing EVERY comic book fan agreed on is Bucky = FAIL!

Marvel just used the same concept as Hush, turning a much hated, forgotten and left to rot, dead charater and make them not only relevent, but cool and bad ass.
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