The Invaders: Possible Candidates?

The Invaders: Possible Candidates?

Searching the Marvel Characters for potential members of the Invaders in The First Avenger: Captain America

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By Paulley - Mar 26, 2010 12:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Captain America

Now we (just about) officially have a Captain America, I am hoping we may begin to get info regarding other important aspects of the movie like sets, costumes, and supporting characters including Bucky and the Invaders.

In this article I have looked at the depiction of Bucky and some of the possible candidates for The Invaders



Bucky

The minimum enlistment age in the US was 17, so don’t think they can have him as a machine gun brandishing 13 year old for that and other obvious reasons. I am hoping they don’t go the Ultimate route and make him a Jimmy Olsen-esq fan follower. I would like to think they go with the more modern retelling that he was placed with Cap to be at his side doing the things he couldn’t be shown doing while being dressed up and used as a propaganda tool. However, I think it is more likely they will go with the more classic tale that he is Caps biggest fan, accidentally finds out who Cap is, becomes sidekick and propaganda tool.


The Invaders

For what we have heard, The Invaders will consist of 6 other members representing other countries, what we don’t know is who they will be and if they will in fact be superheroes.

My feelings regarding the subject are that if these characters are given amazing powers then it detracts from the point of Captain America. He is supposed to be the ONLY super-soldier, head-shoulders-above the rest, having him surrounded by people who can fly and crush tanks with there pinky finger isn’t going to help the perception of Captain America’s authority and standing. The fanboy in me wants to see these characters on screen but the movie goer and realist in me knows they shouldn’t.

As for who the Invaders will be, most of the originals are non-choices (Sub-Mariner and the Human Torches due to rights issues with the Fantastic Four franchise – though a Chris Evan’s cap meeting a Human Torch would have got a laugh) they could go with the many other WW2 Cap related supporting characters but make them all powerless with only hints at there comic incarnation. For example, have Miss America be another person from the USO show, or have Whizzer be a nickname because the character is fast on his feet in battle etc. But for me that’s the easy way out and isn’t really enough.

I myself would look a little more outside the box…

I warn all fanboys now that some of my opinions and suggestions diverge from comics canon by a long way so hold on to your hats and keep your “He was never an Invader”, “He wasn’t born yet”, “he’s evil”, etc under control.

I think we can all assume when they say the Invaders will be representing countries that these countries will be members of the Allied Forces.


The Allies of World War II were the countries that opposed the Axis powers during the Second World War (1939-1945). The Allies became involved in World War II either because they had already been invaded or were directly threatened with invasion by the Axis or because they were concerned that the Axis powers would come to control the world.

After 1941, the leaders of the British Empire, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the United States of America, known as "The Big Three", held leadership of the allied powers. France, before its defeat in 1940 and after Operation Overlord in 1944, as well as China at that time, were also major Allies. Other Allies included Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Philippine Commonwealth, Poland, the Union of South Africa, and Yugoslavia.


(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II)

Out of that list the UK, USA, USSR, France, China, Australia, Canada and the Union of South Africa seem like viable options.

With Captain America and Bucky representing the US lets look at the other countries:


UK

Well there is only one real choice here, being the only real useable Invader it has to be Union Jack.

James Montgomery Falsworth has no superpowers but a distinctive costume and a multitude of connections to wider universe. He was active in the first war with other unpowered adventures in the Freedom’s Five and has two children Jacqueline (aka Spitfire) and Brian (the second Union Jack).

Having a substory where Brian takes the mantle of James during the film maybe some mentions of a sister would be good to see.

In the comics, Brian got captured by the Germans and experiment on using a reproduction Super-Soldier Serum gain some enhanced abilities, near the levels of Captain America, he escapes and becomes a guerrilla warfare fighter named the Destroyer before taking the role of Union Jack.


USSR

Id have to say the best choice here is the Russian unpowered equivalent to Captain America, Red Guardian. The first Red Guardian, Alexei Shostakov, appeared alongside Cap a couple of time but is better known for being Black Widow's husband.

They would have to modify the connection to Black Widow (maybe he married BW's grandmother) and im not sure how I feel about two shield using heroes.

EDIT: on further research i appears Shostakov didn't use a shield.

Alternatively, they could go with an Abomination-style Super Soldier serum side-effect character, meaning someone like Ursa Major; the human bear, could be used.

China

I know its stereotypical, but its got to be a kung-fu guy mostly because most of Marvel's Chinese characters are kung-fu guys. The first name that comes to mind of course is Shang-Chi, but he should be saved for when they get to making the Luke Cage/Iron Fist leading to Heroes for Hire movies. Looking back for an older character I went to Shang-Chi's dad, Fu Manchu, however Marvel lost the rights to the name so there goes that. In the end I came up with a compromise, Lin Sun, who was one of the Sons of the Tiger.




Canada
Unlike the other countries (apart for the UK), Canada has an abundance of heroes but most of them are mutants. Sifting through i came up with two ways they could go with the back story and a couple of characters that could fit:

Going the native route, you could use Shaman (Michael Twoyoungmen), or his daughter Talisman (Elizabeth Twoyoungmen), think as them to be depicted like “Billy Sole” from the original Predators movie

Or, you go on the assumption that the Weapons Plus programme moved up into Canada like the comics, which would be nice un-rights-issue way of nodding Wolverine, where a future attempt produced another close but flawed super-soldier. In an Abomination-y side-effect way, a character like Wendigo or Sasquatch could work but its more likely they will stick with a just an enhanced soldier which you may think would be a low powered Guardian (James Hudson). However, it would be more appropriate for them to use a long forgotten Invaders ally Major Mapleleaf.



Australia
Another country where there is a distinct lack of superheroes. The two I see to be usable are either Boomslang or Dreamguard but neither seem to be the right fit maybe an amalgamation of the two. This may be a case where Marvel may have to change a character’s origin and say they are from down under.





France
Now American opinion of France being what it is, there not many heroes from there so my choice is a little out there so bare with me, Batroc the Leaper could really b a good fit. Best known as a Captain America villain, Batroc's abilities of just being a very good Savat fighter works well. Dont worry I realise he's a bad guy and in the end of a group film like this there is always someone that turns on the rest. Well here is your turncoat.

Swordsman (Jaques DuQuesne) is another choice but id prefer to save this character for a future Cap film and have him, and Baron Zemo, being the baddies.

Africa
The suggestion has already been making the rounds and with the write story i agree that T'Chaka's Black Panther would make a great addition to the group. Having him join the fight would mean there would have to be a very good reason but if anything it would echo Namor's decision to join the war. The character itself is great and fits perfectly, it also opens up a whole new section of the movie universe and makes a T'Challa Black Panther spin-off film seem even more likely.



So that’s it, 7 suggestions for the 6 possible Invaders and if i had to kick one out id get rid of Australia as there isnt a really interesting character from there. My suggestions fit the more grounded view Marvel have taken with there movies. If they go with the original Invaders i will be very surprised, some fanboys might really like the idea but when you come down to it adding lots of powered characters for no reason other than to appeases the comic fans usually ends up a disaster (Spider-Man 3, X-Men Last Stand etc).
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pollix22
pollix22 - 3/26/2010, 12:54 AM
These are all interesting ideas, but I just don't see them getting very involved in the Invaders with this being Cap's origin. It didn't work in Wolverine and they had already established him, it just makes it convoluted.
Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 3/26/2010, 1:40 AM
Dude, good job. Good choices. Don't like the idea much. But that part wasn't yours so whatever. You made a good article, and seem to have done lots of research. The only thing I have to say is....The original human torch and the human torch from Fantastic Four are two different beings. The original:Jim Hammond, a robot who can automatically catch on fire. Fantastic Four. Johnny Storm. A smart ass, who can also catch on fire. I highly doubt that Fox owns the rights to the original. I doubt those douche bags even know who he is. lol. Sub-mariner, on the other hand could be a problem, considering that he is majorly related to the fantastic four. Interesting bit of trivia: Did you know that in an alternate timeline. Namor and Sue Storm had a kid? Named it Remy McKenzie, and he went by Gambit. Rip off much?
Paulley
Paulley - 3/26/2010, 3:39 AM
Well i do know of course that Jim Hammond and Toro are not Johnny Storm the characters are too alike and i very much doubt FF franchise would like the idea of them being used. Also the name "Human Torch" is under there rights so even if Hammond was used they'd have to give him a new name.... Also hes a frickin Robot/Android, you honestly think they are gonna put an Android in that movie.

@MultiPurposePoni i included Bucky and Union Jack (and Major Mapleleaf) because they are Invaders and there powers sets (or lack of) fit with the movie. The others like i stated in the article are too powerful and have rights issues


oh a question to the editors.. how come only half of my HTML tags worked cus i was using tables to arrange the pictures alongside the writing and stuff (which worked in the preview) but hasnt worked here?


Paulley
Paulley - 3/26/2010, 4:03 AM
@pollix22 apparently the whole second half of the movie is about them.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/26/2010, 7:07 AM
i don't think there's any possibility of seeing Human Torch. I know he is different than the FF's HT, but who knows how that would effect who owns the rights?? after all, Johnny Storm's Human Torch was obviously HEAVILY influenced by the Original HT. thats no secret, its an admitted fact by Stan Lee. and if there's no Human Torch, than its safe to say there will be no Toro.

i can't really see them using Namor either, although i HOPE they do. Miss America is probably a big no, too. so i don't know who they would use. Union Jack hopefully. i just hope they don't embellish and put a bunch of non-sensicle characters in. i would rather they DIDN'T use the Invaders if they are going to use a bunch of people that don't make sense.
ManOfIron
ManOfIron - 3/26/2010, 8:31 AM
I definitely think Union Jack will be in it but i think the others will more than likely be just mentions or easter eggs. Like pictures or something. Or the characters being out of costume/action just getting introduced/teased, then never mentioning them again. the Human torch idea is funny though. i think that would be awesome but i don't want him in it just yet.
Any beast-like creature would be too much i think. We've already (hopefully) got the Hulk coming into the picture later.
Red Guardian would also be nice to see but i don't really see a reason to go in depth with his story as much as Union Jack's.

BLACK PANTHER!!! :) I actually can't wait to see this guy's story develop on film. I think your way would be very interesting! I'm just confused if you're trying to put him in the past or the future. I'm not clear on the family tree of T'Chaka so idk if he is the one from then or now. Family would be a great way to bring them to the current time, though. Grand kids and great grand kids would be the best way to bring these characters into our time with the Avengers.

P.S. nervous about Namor entering the picture cuz of the believability of Atlantis... then again, Thor is in this franchise :P
VoxVeritatis
VoxVeritatis - 3/26/2010, 8:56 AM
Heck no to the Invaders! - Like Pollix22 said, they had a team of mutants/superheroes in Wolverine. I thought having a super team in WWII was dumb. If they want to include the Invaders, they should be like Inglorious Basterds--hard-core soldiers who hate Nazis (not regular German soldiers) and want to kill them in ways that demoralize them.

And a big heck no to Bucky. Sidekicks are dumb. I liked Chris Nolan's Batman because Bruce Wayne wasn't followed around by a sidekick. Imagine how silly Batman Begins and The Dark Night would have been if Robin tagged along.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/26/2010, 9:17 AM
@ vox

without bucky, they can't do the Winter Soldier story later, though. and come on, winter soldier is just a badass
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 3/26/2010, 9:29 AM
Nice article Paulley

I'd have to say I still would want to see the original group fighting along side Cap.

Black Panther needs his own movie
AngryRob
AngryRob - 3/26/2010, 9:53 AM
Nice choices! I agree, I don't want to see the super powered Invaders. It's Cap's movie, not Cap and the Invaders. Having a flaming guy flying around and an Atlantean king would just take away from Cap. But having Cap lead a group of international special ops soldiers like Union Jack and Red Guardian would be cool. I could see him butting heads with Black Panther.
Paulley
Paulley - 3/26/2010, 9:55 AM
@ManOfIron T'Chaka is the father of the current Black Panther. As Howard Stark was active during World War Two (he made cap's shield appearantly) then it stands to reason our Black Panther's father could be.

Another intresting connection is that Cap's shiled in the comics is partially made out of Wakanda's Vibranium.

@VoxVeritatis The reason why Wolverine's super-team sucked is they just threw characters in there with no connections for the sake of it just so they could have a team with superpowers. And you right having the normal Invaders with there powers would also be stupid.

Also yes like i said in my article they could go the way of just teasing us like having a guy nicknamed Whizzer cus he runs and have him in the USO show with a girl they named Miss America.
Paulley
Paulley - 3/26/2010, 10:02 AM
@AngryRob Thank you, glad to see you understand the points
AngryRob
AngryRob - 3/26/2010, 10:07 AM
Also, I may be wrong but I was under the impression that the Invaders were going to be a 5-6 memeber team INCLUDING Cap and Bucky, which I'm all for, a smaller team means more character development.
AngryRob
AngryRob - 3/26/2010, 10:11 AM


I'd like to see a costume similar to this for Union Jack, I think it fits the WWII time frame like the Ultimates WWII Cap costume
Paulley
Paulley - 3/26/2010, 10:27 AM
@AngryRob you could be right. With Cap Bucky and Union Jack that would leave three spaces USSR, Canada, France me thinks

I would like to see a little Story with the captured Brian (Union Jack II) fighting a geurilla war on the nazi's getting the nickname "Destroyer" (anyone who knows the WW2 character history or read Marvels Project will know) then later takes the Union Jack name from his father.

But i dont know i think i'd still like to see the classic costume for a while.

Hopefully we get a mention of Spitfire.. even if it is just as Brian's sister/James' daughter
punkazzINC
punkazzINC - 3/26/2010, 11:54 AM
I didn't mind the Ultimates Bucky. I'd like to see the original Invaders. As for a Canadian on the Team we can always hope to get Hugh Jackman back. He'll look like this...
texsun64
texsun64 - 3/26/2010, 6:06 PM
No Namor in the Invaders? Excuse me? You need that dark element, the wildcard, the brooding! Come on! The Torch I can see the problem, but you could call him just that, "Torch" and make him an android. Go for it! Scrap Bucky and Toro. Sorry. Bring in Brain and Jacqeline Falsworth as Union Jack and Spitfire. Cap and Jack can butt heads over who's in charge and maybe Spitfire too! Bloody Yank! Now, I do like the Black Panther idea. Not accurate to the storylines but a fantastic character that needs a place in a movie. There are my six!
KeithM
KeithM - 3/27/2010, 11:09 PM
Good article, although I disagree with some of your reasoning.

Kevin Feige has stated categorically that they'll be showcasing the Marvel Universe WWII - which implies that Namor, the Torch and Bucky will all be included.

I don't think there'll be any rights issues with Namor, because he pre-dates the FF by 20 odd years and therefore Marvel can call "prior claim". I hope that'll be the case anyway...

I also think that it's important that some of them are indeed super-powered - to show that Cap can lead even superhumans and forge them into a fighting unit, rather than just a group of individuals.

For these reasons, I hope and believe that they'll give us the 'original' Invaders, or as close as dammit.
contrast
contrast - 3/27/2010, 11:37 PM
Interesting concept, and I think it could work. I wouldn't be disappointed if this happened, but I would prefer the original Invaders,

and not to sound like a douche or anything, but for God's sake, it's "BLAZING" Skull, not Flaming Skull...
contrast
contrast - 3/27/2010, 11:46 PM
And @Vox--The Invaders have already been confirmed as part of the movie... and as for Bucky, yes...The Dark Knight would have been terrible with Robin, but Captain America is NOT Batman. What works tonally with a Batman movie does NOT work with a Captain America movie.

If they really want to knock it out of the park with Bucky, they'll follow his interpretation in the "Avengers/Invaders" storyline. He was a single-minded soldier who was dedicated to the mission and to Cap, and that was ALL he was dedicated to.

Besides, Bucky is part of Cap's emotional depth. Cap knows Bucky shouldn't be in the front lines, but is impressed by his patriotism, which ends up getting Bucky killed, and causing Cap to feel responsible.
Paulley
Paulley - 3/28/2010, 7:02 AM
@Contrast agree with everything you said about Bucky above... i just dont want androids and someone that can turn there skin invisible.
contrast
contrast - 3/28/2010, 10:16 PM
@Paulley--Yeah, I totally get what you mean about that. I did a breakdown for a possible Captain America script I was attempting to write a few years back, and I had a lot of trouble with Torch, which is partially why I never wrote the whole script. My main problem is that Torch is more technologically advanced than Iron Man, who is supposed to be cutting-edge in modern time.

As for Blazing Skull, He was a little easier to deal with. In my script, the Invaders (Comprised of Captain America, Union Jack, The Destroyer, and Bucky, and lead by Mark Todd, the Blazing Skull) were after the Nazi scientist, Helmut Zemo, who was trying to create his own version of the Super Soldier Serum. At one point, Zemo has Todd captured and experiments on him, causing his skin to shrivel up and give his face a skeletal appearance. It also made his skin fire resistant. The "twist" was, the same nazi science that made him the movie version of "Blazing Skull" was the trial run for the Nazi super weapon, Red Skull.

If any of what I said makes sense... that might've been a bit too rambling...
Paulley
Paulley - 3/29/2010, 11:24 AM
ooh i like the Red Skull prototype angle on that.

I think how they treat the invaders will be a good indicator on how well this film will be received.
Android666
Android666 - 3/30/2010, 6:55 PM
Android votes for the following Invaders to be in the film:

1. Captain America
2. Bucky
3. Union Jack
4. Spitfire
5. T'Chaka
6. Blazing Skull
80sFace
80sFace - 3/30/2010, 10:02 PM
I'd say the Red Guardian or whatever they're going to call the Russian character. I mean, isn't Ivan Vanko pissed off at Tony Stark about something? "You come from a family of thieves and butchers..." Didn't Howard Stark work on the A-Bomb? Connection? Red Guardian on the Invaders. Red Guardian betrays the Invaders. Howard Stark plays a part in stopping him..? Red Guardian grandpa to Vanko?

Just a thought.

Otherwise, Black Panther would rock. Union Jack a no brainer. I"m going to go with a Chinese dude also - big market, need to crack it. Maybe Shang Chi. Is there a Hispanic character? Not sure you could have Black Panther and White Tiger on the same team.
Android666
Android666 - 3/31/2010, 11:36 AM
Android changes his mind. 80sFace makes a good point about the Red Guardian. Updated Invaders wish-list:

1. Captain America (US)
2. Bucky (US)
3. Union Jack (UK)
4. Spitfire (UK)
5. T'Chaka (Wakanda/E. Africa)
6. Red Guardian (USSR)

This feels like a pretty cool, balanced, international special forces team. What do you fleshlings think?
Android666
Android666 - 4/2/2010, 12:14 PM
Android casts Djimon Hounsou as Invader T'Chaka, aka "Black Panther"!!!
Blackreverend
Blackreverend - 4/2/2010, 5:07 PM
I would cast...

1. Captain America (US)
2. Bucky (US)
3. Namor (We already know he won't be there but I still gotta name him)
4. Union Jack (UK)
5. Whizzer (US)
6. Major Mapleleaf (CAN)
7. Red Guardian (USSR)

Wakanda doesn't get involved in the wars of others. Just the word "Invaders" is Anti-Black Panther. Don't get me wrong, I would love to finally see my favorite superhero on the silver screen but not like this.

Canada had a way bigger role in the war than they are given credit. If Americans aren't still upset about loosing to us in Hockey they should honor our fallen soldiers by making a Major Mapleleaf cameo (besides we know the character won't get his own movie).

I love the idea from 80SFACE of how to incorporate the Red Guardian.

I can't see Shang Chi doing damage unless it's a one on one fight so he's off my list.

Finally I think Whizzer could be worked in without going too far. Maybe make him a little faster than cap but not half as fast as the Flash or anything and please not dressed up in a yellow body suit. I would rather him looking like any other soldier but with a huge W on his chest or shoulders.
Android666
Android666 - 4/21/2010, 9:47 PM
Android realizes that this list has four guaranteed members, one very good guess and one total unknown invader:

1. Captain America (US)
2. Bucky (US)
3. Peggy Carter (French Resistance)
4. Union Jack (UK)
5. Red Guardian (USSR)
6. ?
Android666
Android666 - 5/14/2010, 7:11 PM
Okay, now Android is 95% sure what Marvel is up to with the Invaders:

1. Captain America (US)
2. Bucky (US)
3. Peggy Carter (French Resistance)
4. Union Jack (UK)
5. T'Chaka (Wakanada/E.Africa)
6. Namor (Atlantis)

Believe it or not, after watching IM 2, the only uncertain here is Union Jack, and the Monte Carlo race pretty much confirmed it to me...
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