DCCU And The Greek Gods

DCCU And The Greek Gods

There's A lot of Debate on Whether the DCCU (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc) should include the Greek Gods or not, as some say it wont fit in the DCCU universe's serious take on its stories. Here I offer a Solution that I haven't seen or heard of before, that makes sense.

Editorial Opinion
By GoldSlayer1 - Mar 30, 2014 02:03 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics
Before I get started I'd like to give fair warning to fanboys (or haters) that this is something I have not heard of or seen before, so its most likely going to appear as a radical change. This is a concept idea regarding the issue of "gods" existing in the DCCU.

This article isn't to cover the origins of characters like Aquaman and Wonder Woman, but rather how these gods can exists, which are involved in Amazon and Atlantean societies.


So there's been debates on whether or not a wonder woman movie should include gods or not. (this would also apply to Aquaman and any other DC comic character which has Greek gods in their stories)

Here's my take on it.
Yes, sort of.
Let me explain with this. The gods wouldn't be Gods, but rather nearly omnipotent beings with great power, misinterpreted as gods by humans. The gods would be from outer space, who came to earth.

The ones that came to earth did not want to fight in the Apokolips vs New Genesis war, when Darkseid was rising to power. These gods would have tremendous power, but they aren't immortal, it would still be possible to kill one and they dont live forever either. When they came to earth, they brought some advanaced technology with them, which was far ahead of anything else in human civilization at that time.

And I feel this is an Important aspect, because it sets up the Atlantean back story for them being technologically advanced compared to surface dwellers.


It also sets up for more story possibilities down the line with Darkseid coming to invade Earth with his army of Parademons.

Again this is just a concept idea.
Personally I want the gods to be involved in a Wonder Woman movie, whether its a small or large role.
I personally think they should be there since they had influence on some of the stories both in the comics and the animated shows/movies.

Anyway let me know what you think, if you like it or dislike it, down in the comments.
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GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 3/30/2014, 2:33 PM
@MexicanSuperman
not exactly.

Asgard is still its own dimension.
Apokolips and New Genesis can be found in outer space.

These gods would still have the same powers as before. (So magic would exist)
Only this time there's a reasonable explanation of where they came from and why they're here.

Although wonder woman draws alot of comparisons to Thor (or vice versa) anyway, so does it really matter if they have a couple similarities?

Ill edit the wording of "realistic" and change it to "serious" then.
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 3/30/2014, 2:38 PM
@MexicanSuperman
sorry that was another mistake with the wording. i meant to say another realm.

Yeah I know it looks like outer space, but its more like a background void.

The realms from my understanding are like pocket world realms, which cant be found on a map, and can only be accessed via portal.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 3/30/2014, 2:42 PM
I say set up 5 "worlds".
The first world- Monitor and Anti-Monitor
Second World- Entities of the Emtotional Spectrum
Third World- Greek/ Roman gods.
Fourth World- New Gods
Fifth World- Earth

Each world exists on it's own, and were created through the varuious degrees of the "god wave" created by Krona.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 3/30/2014, 2:46 PM
Wonder Woman shouldn't be about the Greek Gods but about the amazons. Despite what the comics have done the movies shouldn't have the gods until the third movie (if it's a trilogy). Th story should be about the amazons and earth and all the magical beings and creatures that live in the island. The second movie should explore the history between the mythologies and earth and the third is finally about the gods themselves. Magic should be portrayed with a lovecraftian vibe. Aquaman shouldn't be about the gods either. It's about Atlantis not Poseiden or Neptune. This goes to show what people are actually interested in. Not the character or her people but the gods.
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 3/30/2014, 3:09 PM
@Alphadog
Yes we understand she's an amazon.
But depending on her origins, it will determine how relevant the gods should be in her stories.

What kind of origin will they go with?
will she be a demi-god daughter of Zues?
Will she be formed from clay by Hippolyta?
Will the other Amazons/atlanteans be descendants of half gods?

I know it seems like what people are more interested in, but its relevant to the story one way or another. Whether its by her origins, or one of the villains.
Seeing how these are big budget movies, They will probably go with the best stories possible. chances are, for wonder woman that'll involve a god.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 3/30/2014, 3:18 PM










Klone
Klone - 3/30/2014, 3:32 PM
Well yeah, that's what most people want right now in regards to the Olympians. Also, I'd approach the Olympians, as a race, with a whole slavery angle.
Klone
Klone - 3/30/2014, 3:33 PM
@Alpha

I definitely agree with you about Diana always be the centre/soul of it as the main character, but I've always found your notion of excluding the Gods completely odd. They can definitely be there without taking anything away from Diana.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 3/30/2014, 4:15 PM
I'm torn about the Greek angle. It would not bother me for them to basically lose that, as I want these live action films to shoot for a streamlined sense of things. But if done well, the Greek mythology could definitely give Wonder Woman's story some worthwhile personality and edge.

This premise is very similar to Thor, I have to say. Maybe Asgard is not another planet, but the idea that "gods" are actually just powerful aliens from [wherever].

The thing is...if you actually have "gods" that are not aliens, how do you explain them? Are they simply powerful beings, i.e. just higher up versions of the Amazons? That seems reasonable. But if you include actual gods, that changes the whole game. Man of Steel did touch briefly on religion, but only as belief, not demonstration of deities.

I've read a little of the New 52 Wonder Woman, and personally, I did not find what I encountered to be very compelling. The New Gods...I don't know. Frankly, I'd rather see live-action Wonder Woman lose the vast majority of the peripheral framework from the comics, and focus more on Diana directly. Other Amazons are fine, but the gods...
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 3/30/2014, 4:19 PM
If I was an executive at WB, and had the power to make the call, I would probably severely limit the involvement of the Greek gods in the story. It is part of the character's heritage, but if I am realistically trying to build a relevant live-action film franchise that can dovetail with the other Justice League members, I do not want Wonder Woman to be similar to Clash of the Titans, etc.
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 3/30/2014, 4:31 PM
@Wolf
This is where I feel the term "Alien" to be miss used.
Even if they were still in New Genesis, they'd still be considered gods.

And in Earth they wouldn't be viewed as aliens.
One because they look like a human, two they would would have been living in earth for thousands of years before current time.

Its indeed complicated stuff.
However there have been successful movies based on Greek mythology (class of the titans is an example, regardless of how good or bad, they were successful)

While this explains where the gods came from and why they have such power, it allows for the mythology and back story for these civilizations to exist, without completely redoing the gods angle.


And I always considered wonder woman to be in that tough spot as the hulk where it doesn't do good alone, but does great in a team.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 3/30/2014, 5:36 PM
I don't understand this debate.
Marvel has aliens, super soldiers, gamma radiated monsters and scientific god-like beings but it's so strange to include mythical Gods in the DCCU? Whaaaaaat?

They can easily include The Greek gods and stay true to WW origin.
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 3/30/2014, 6:37 PM
I really don't see the need to portray the gods as 'technologically advanced aliens', but I wouldn't be against it either if they went that way.

All I know is that the gods should have their unique abilities. Or else, what's the point?
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 3/30/2014, 7:37 PM
@Feedonat
Well even Darkseid had some amount of technology.
he has to get his armies around some way, and its through boom tubes.

While the tech wouldn't exactly be boom tubes, it can be other things, just enough to the point where after generations of progress, the atlanteans get on a technology level similar to what they had in Justice League: The FlashPoint Paradox.
Vortigar
Vortigar - 3/31/2014, 5:39 AM
The current Wonder Woman books put the gods among the human world. All of them trying to influence humanity to change one way or another. Indulging themselves with the humans but never really throwing the full weight of their powers into the mix. Only true believers can see their real manifestations.

The Greek Pantheon is usually depicted as a far away aloof set of beings that sometimes travel to the world of humans to do this or that.

They could still use the same schtick, Olympus simply can not be found unless Zeus wants you to. The Greek pantheon has become bored with playing with the humans but will prick up their ears for devoted followers, of which very few remain. The Amazons being among them of course.

Basically they can be treated the same as the god(s) of any other religion. Heck, Constantine comes with the conceit that the Christian God and Satan are real entities who directly influence the lives of man. I don't see the problem with the Greek gods. Heck, I'd welcome them, too often we get depictions of the battle of Troy or somesuch but with the gods stripped out because that makes the story more 'human'. Missing the entire point that the Greek gods are as fallible (or even more so) than humans.


Aside:
I still don't believe that you could take a spaceship and go to Asgard in the MCU. None of the movies have given conclusive evidence one way or another. Thor merely used it as shorthand to explain where he was from.

@dethpillow:
In the book League of One WW uses the lasso of truth on herself as a purification ritual. To confront herself own failings. I always loved the idea that she's the type that would go to such lengths to stay on course. If anyone on the Justice League is prepared to kill it would be WW, not because she's a warrior but because she's prepared to go to any lengths required.

The powers of the lasso have changed lots of times over the decades however, so its hard to say whatever it will turn out to be in the movies. The first version was full on subjugation, where you had to do as you were told.
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 3/31/2014, 5:52 AM
GoldSlayer1,

Are you not a fan of just presenting the gods in the traditional way? Why or why not?
case
case - 3/31/2014, 6:27 AM
Right on Cherry, succinct and to the point. I don't get the problem with them using greek mythology, pantheon included.
Klone
Klone - 3/31/2014, 8:43 AM
What is this damn fascination recently with making shit like Greek Gods these hipsters that wear modern cloths with iPhones and shit?
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 3/31/2014, 5:30 PM
@Feedonatrefrog

Personally im fine with the old way, if they can do it right then better.
This is just merely an alternative if they feel that the traditional way wouldn't work.

However this IMO, sure as hell beats the idea of having the amazons being kryptonian, through that kryptonian baby making machine.
aresww3
aresww3 - 3/31/2014, 9:23 PM
How is this a new solution. Its probably the unoriginal, uninspired crap they will end up going with. I will post my idea, which is far better than this crap.
Prime
Prime - 4/1/2014, 4:03 PM
And this ties to Superman because.....?
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