Is the DCCU Going To Die Before It's Born?

Is the DCCU Going To Die Before It's Born?

With all of the emerging DCTV properties and the upcoming DCCU films, is not having a shared universe going to be more of an issue than people think?

Editorial Opinion
By vigilantes - Sep 22, 2014 03:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Comics

So, Gotham premieres on FOX in a few days and I am thrilled. In a couple of short weeks, Arrow returns and The Flash and Constantine make their debut onto network television. Now, Batman vs. Superman is still over a year away, 18 months to be exact. At that point, we will be on Season 4 of Arrow and Season 2 of The Flash, Constantine, and Gotham. AND possibly in the middle of the first season of TNT's Teen Titans series and CBS' Supergirl series. 

The point of this article is to point out that while WB takes their time (so to speak) bringing characters to the big screen, almost the entire Justice League and friends will already be introduced to the small screen cumulating in more screen time than the big screen heroes will be getting. Several key people in the DC film productions have stated that DCTV and the DCCU will not be crossing over, but is this really the Best move for this newly developing live-action DC presence? I hate comparing DC to Marvel because they are so different and shouldn't be compared, but from a media producer standpoint, Marvel is defenitely beating DC. They have several film franchises networked together and a TV show. That is a brilliant strategy which is also going to be combining Netflix into the equation soon too. 

The thing I can't wrap my brain around is why DC is not clamoring to capitalize on this strategy when ALL of the pieces needed for this setup are coming together? Literally, network after networks are aiming to market off of a DC TV show, none for Marvel, there was way more interest this year in BvS:DoJ than Avengers:AoU at comic-con. Netflix quickly signed a deal to release Gotham on streaming as soon as they can. Why is WB/DC not taking advantage of this? I think that having Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman (present), Aquaman, and possibly Green Lantern developed on the big screen while The Flash, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Supergirl, The Atom, Firestorm, The Huntress, Constantine, Batman (past), and many more to come on the small screen gives DC the most "surface-area" for character development for a broad amount of character. Far so much more than Marvel. 

I think about this issue like this. Imagine that DC and Marvel are numerous strands of Christmas lights. The plug on the wall is the audience. Marvel was smart and plugged each strand in after another forming one contiuom of lights that only requires one plug. DC on the other hand is trying to plug 6 different strands (WB, TNT, CW, NBC, FOX, CBS) into the same plug which is going to have to force the plug to not keep constant power to 5 strands while it focuses on the other. You see the issue. If DC/WB/CW/NBC/FOX/CBS/TNT doesn't cumulate their shows into one universe, DC will quickly become overkill and I think people are not going to care to watch all these shows. Everyone will go see BvS:DOJ, but after that movie comes out and they continue to expand the league, they will have to recast if they keep their current attitude about uncohesiveness, and people who decide to keep watching one DC show will either get confused or angry that things aren't mixing.

I personally think that a Multiverse theory is dumb for television/film in this day in age. It will confuse more people than it will entertain and I think it will shattefr a lot of the realism and almost understandable powers that are being developed in DC properties. 

So my point is, DC is starting to spread itself too thin and instead of building this city of DC properties outward, they should be building upwards.

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Dingbat
Dingbat - 9/22/2014, 3:17 PM
Short answer: Not a chance
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 9/22/2014, 4:05 PM
Gotham premiers tonight man, not in a few days, today
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 9/22/2014, 4:08 PM
Also not connecting the TV with the movie isn't killing the DCCU before it ever is born, that's absurd. The DCCU can't die because it doesn't exist, and not connecting something wouldn't kill it anyway. Continuity actually means nothing, X-Men has taught us this. Not everything has to be connected and intertwined for it to be successful, you just have to put out quality product
kong
kong - 9/22/2014, 4:21 PM
Umm yeah about your title....it kinda um....makes no sense at all.
flashygurl
flashygurl - 9/22/2014, 4:39 PM
"Why would you want CW quality shows..."?

That's not a damning statement considering

A. Man of Steel was and is poor
B. Zach Snyder is directing
C. Goyer is along for the ride
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 9/22/2014, 6:21 PM
Agents of Shi[eld] is all the proof you need that a shared universe between movies & TV is not always a good thing.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 7:24 PM
Im a Marvel guy. But I enjoy pretty much all things based on comics. I enjoy Arrow, hell I watched Smallville till the end. That being said, I dont understand why DC didnt think of connecting Big Screen to Small Screen first. They have a huge advantage owning ALL their characters. I mean they literally could adapt big crossovers with all the characters from the original stories, yet they decided to keep them separate.

I can understand the limits on being creative with your stories. But, thats kinda a poor excuse really. The comic book writers have been working around this for decades. Thats with thousands of issues. Sure there probably quite a few continuity issues and retcons, but when you compare that to just a few hours of screen time for a few movies and a couple dozen hours for TV, it shouldn't be that hard for the writers to tell a good story. Even if they know they cant kill a certain character because they have to be in a crossover film.

Im really struggling with what im trying to say here. Can someone explain my meaning better? Basically im saying Hollywood wants to make COMIC BOOK MOVIES, but their complaining about something that has been a big part of comics for decades. And it sounds like their using the creative freedom as an excuse.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 9/22/2014, 7:29 PM
Dangit DC you could have so much win! Please be better :-(
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 7:29 PM
@Marxman12. Thats kinda your opinion....ya know? Not......a fact. It wouldn't have gotten a second season if it didn't have a lot of viewers. So.......it was successful. You may not think its very good, but that doesn't change anything.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 7:38 PM
And I know there are some people out there who like the shows being separate because of that creative freedom, but, thats something you have already seen before ya know? Why not something new with all the characters you love? I hear people say that DC is too afraid to look like their jumping on the bandwagon and being compared to Marvel, but I think thats bullshit. First of all, people are vested in the overall story from film to film. That means more money, your kidding yourself if you think DC wouldn't do it for this reason. Cause they would make more money connecting all of it. And moneys all that really matters to these businessman. Second of all, their going to get compared to each other anyway, cause their the two largest companies out there.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 9:09 PM
@ManCalledSting. They take the easy way out. Instead of trying to actually explain anything, they just try say dumb shit. And you can tell the ones that think their smarter than anyone else and that their opinion is fact.
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 9/22/2014, 9:27 PM
Yeah, it's my opinion and it's held by many others. Marvel's television "universe" sucks. DC has Marvel beat in the television department.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 9:49 PM
^and here's a shining example of what im talking about...
wallhead
wallhead - 9/22/2014, 9:52 PM
@Marxman12

because the show quality isn't up to par has nothing to do with "shared universes" not being a good thing. hell the reason anyone here watches it is because it is literally a weekly access into the MCU. I don't think its good but I love watching because its cool that somewhere out there is thor, or hawkeye, or luke cage. so infact its proof otherwise...proof that even a terrible show will draw viewers based solely on the fact that its connected. your comment is proof that "opinions" can be wrong regardless.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 9:55 PM
Just watched Gotham and loved it. I just hope they dont try to avoid characters that are supernatural in nature or have powers. Learn from Arrow, and dont try to be realistic, just to change your minds later on. I hope to see Gordan investigating a crime committed by a villain with powers real soon.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 9/22/2014, 11:41 PM
@Marxman12. Here's a small fact about your opinion you share with others. The fanbase, actually makes up a really small percentage of viewers. About 7% actually. So when the amount of people that dont like something are in the minority for that focus group, (more people like it than dislike it), less than half of that small percentage of the fanbase dont watch. If you think about it, you and your little opinion dont mean squat, cause you and a very small amount of people cant enjoy something. I know that here on this site, there may be more people that are not too fond of Agents of SHIELD, but dont think that your opinion is shared by the majority of people, cause if that was the case, Marvel wouldn't be continuing the show and would just drop it for something else.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/23/2014, 4:40 AM
I don't think the DCCU will fail. I'm excited for the cinematic DC universe and i don't really care about DC's television universe except for Constantine.

I'm not a fan of Arrow. It just feels like Arrow butcher's the character of Oliver Queen and Green Arrow.
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 9/23/2014, 6:50 AM
Shared universes so we can see numerous references instead of any development as well as a limited roster of characters available for each show and having a few glimpses of heroes meeting? Nah I'd rather stick to the isolated universes.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 9/23/2014, 7:31 AM
they should crossober... but oh well
Vortigar
Vortigar - 9/23/2014, 7:58 AM
@Scorpion:
My thoughts exactly. DC harbors some great stuff but its just not coming out.

@TheDudeRusty:
Agreed. That they're keeping the series apart from the films only makes sense to me.

Before they announced BvS I was actually advocating for DC not to follow Marvel and just release separate films. Its much easier to take advantage of the individual strengths of the DC characters if you don't have to weigh them down with the baggage of the other ones.

The Marvel U has always been more connected than the DC one, with most of their heroes being 'normal' dudes who bump into each other left and right. DC splits everyone up into their own fictional city and creates a backdrop that fits that particular character, an aspect that would be much better served with separated films and series.

But no, they're going to try to play catchup with Marvel in their own game (wih the movies of course).
Odin
Odin - 9/23/2014, 8:50 AM
I don't care. We are getting Batman v Superman, with Wonder Woman and Aquaman making appearence, no matter what. All heroes done comic accurate. Movie like that(even if it doesn't lead to DCCU as planned)is win to me. Can't wait.
Darktower
Darktower - 9/23/2014, 9:39 AM
garbage.
matthuliz
matthuliz - 9/23/2014, 10:45 AM
The movies should not be connected to the TV shows. I'm glad WB and DC listened to me.


:-P
CommanderShepard
CommanderShepard - 9/23/2014, 12:05 PM
Marxman12 is correct.
CommanderShepard
CommanderShepard - 9/23/2014, 3:11 PM
@SniktBub LOL!
Pasto
Pasto - 3/27/2015, 3:07 PM
TIMEWARP
Wannabe
Wannabe - 3/27/2015, 3:39 PM
TheLastSonOfEl just mad because The Flash is better than Man of Steel. So mad he can't even.
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